Tami Simon: You’re listening to Insights at the Edge. Today my guest is David Morehouse. David was born into a family of career military officers and for nearly 20 years steadied himself on an unwavering track of becoming a general in the United States Army. Then, in 1987, a machine gun bullet hit him and by all accounts should have killed him instantly. Instead, this experience opened his perception to a new reality and a new understanding of personal and collective purpose. He was recruited into a top-secret program of the CIA and trained as a remote viewer capable of seeing persons, places, and things, distant in space-time, to gather information. David is the author of the international bestseller Psychic Warrior, and with Sounds True, David Morehouse has created several titles, including Remote Viewing, an online training course where he includes instructions and guided practices for coordinate Remote Viewing that will allow you to hone, expand, and deepen your skills in Remote Viewing.
In this episode of Insights at the Edge, David and I spoke about his training in Remote Viewing and how and why Remote Viewing is valued by the military. We also talked about looking at people through an eight-dimensional lens and what it might mean to remote view into the future. Finally, we talked about how Remote Viewing transforms the human heart. Here’s my conversation with David Morehouse.
David, how did the military identify you as someone who would be a good candidate for training in Remote Viewing?
David Morehouse: Well, it was a very lucky thing to have been selected. There are a lot of people that were aware of program back in the ’70s and then the ’80s who would have, of course, wanted to be part of the program but were never in a position to be identified or selected. Typically, when something is born and being raised and honed and developed and fine-tuned as an intelligence collection methodology, only people that are in the intelligence world are people that get identified and ushered into these programs and then trained to participate in the programs. Mine was just clearly a direction steered by fate.
I was a special operations infantry officer wounded in the head by a machine gun bullet. And then various things started happening—very long and elaborate discussions of those [in my books]. I was brought from the first ranger battalion, and was scheduled and planned by the army to go one direction—to be an aide to an Italian general and be sent off to the defense language institute to learn speak Italian, and then go to do that. And then, just as fate was in charge, it turned around, and that general selected somebody else in-country.
Now, I was an open candidate—a former Ranger company commander, an Airborne company commander—and was picked for a bunch of black book assignments, which were special access programs. I ended up being recruited into one of the special access programs where I was for a year. And that special access program was deeply embedded into the intelligence community. There have been several books written about it now. One of the books is called Killer Elite. I was in that unit, and in that unit you had to go through a very strong battery of psychological evaluations and testing, because they wanted to have their finger on the psychiatric pulse of every individual that belonged to this particular organization.
It was during that time I began to divulge to the psychologist in charge of the members of that organization some of the experiences that I was having: nightmarish and awakening experiences that were happening, transformational experiences that were happening. I shared with this individual all of those experiences and that individual then picked me up and took me to this top-secret clan of psychic spies called “remote viewers” housed at Fort Meade, Maryland, at that time, under the Director of Science and Technology for the Defense Intelligence Agency with direct oversight being provided by the Central Intelligence Agency. I was the first non-intelligence-based recruit into that organization. I was the first person brought in with purely special operations combat experience.
TS: Now David, when you say you were having awakening-type experiences and nightmarish experiences, were these as a result of the bullet wound, or what were they? How do you attribute them, and what were the experiences you were having?
DM: Yes, the short answer is yes. They were attributed to the traumatic brain injury of being shot in the head by a weapon traveling roughly 2,832 feet per second.
DM: When you’re hit—yes, roughly [laughs]—when you’re hit by a projectile like that, it penetrates your helmet. It didn’t break the skin, but it raised a fairly significant hematoma on my head and it really knocked me silly. It knocked me out for a very long period of time and in those days we didn’t—the term post-traumatic stress, that acronym PTSD, didn’t exist. Post-traumatic stress was still an enigma. People sort of thought maybe it was there, but didn’t really even give credit for it. The idea of traumatic brain injury and what happens and what causes it—that was also not part of the lexicon of military medicine at that particular time. We understood concussive events only vaguely and didn’t really know how to treat them or what to do with them.
When you stand up off the desert floor [after] you’ve been knocked unconscious, and the battalion surgeon comes over and looks at you and recognizes you’ve got a big lump raising up on your head and knows you’ve been knocked out for a period of time, following a standard medical practice, if he had the tools available to him, he probably would have sent me in for at least an x-ray to try to look at it and see what might be going on inside. But if I pass all of the basic tests of being able to stand there and remember my name, remember where I am and what I’m doing, the only guidance that can be given at that juncture for a Ranger company commander is to turn around and say. “OK, well don’t wear your Kevlar helmet now because your head is swelling. Just wear your soft cap and go back to training your company.” That’s what I wanted to hear. Frankly, if he had told me something different I would have fought against it, because I didn’t want to go anywhere. [I didn’t want] to be taken away from my company and my training mission to go take care of myself medically. That would have been just a bad thing to do as a company commander of Rangers.
You go back to it then, and because of this traumatic brain injury, because of this experience, this traumatic impact opens up a conduit into the unconscious. Now people everywhere, all of us, can have this experience. We can have an emotional impact that opens up these conduits into the unconscious where we see experience develop a new perception on reality. You can have a physical impact or physical trauma, heart attacks, car accidents. There are countless stories and examples of these throughout life where people have these emotional impacts, these spiritual impacts, these physical impacts or traumas that open up a new understanding, a new perspective on reality for us. That is essentially what happened to me.
Here I was now, standing on the desert, walking back to go to conduct training and to continue my mission there. In the darkness of my mind, as I lied down to sleep and as I am walking in quiet—there are so many times when you’re commanding that, even though you’re leading 250, 260 some-odd soldiers every day [and you’re] responsible for everything that happens to them, there are still these moments of deep reflection and meditation. There are times that you send your lieutenants off to do what they’re doing and you’re watching your company and then you’re there by yourself. And in these moments where my thoughts might have been filled with more direct conscious things, I found that I was suddenly cast into a place of being very inwardly, and at the same time outwardly, connected to something bigger than myself.
At first I did not understand it. I didn’t know what it was. I didn’t understand why this rush of things coming to me was not coming at the pace that I wanted it to come. It was not coming at the pace that I was comfortable with. I was no longer in control of the information coming to me: bizarre thoughts, wild thoughts, thoughts reflective of something that I had never ever considered a reality or a possibility in my life.
When those things happen to us, when we consider ourselves otherwise “normal,” we begin to describe those things as nightmarish. Why are they nightmarish? Because we’re not in control of them. Why are they nightmarish? Because they’re not what we choose to think about. They are things that are frightening, unknown to us—new, strange, bizarre things that are outside the physical realm of everyday conscious thought. That’s what happened to me. I saw what I called an angel. Again, [with] any of these things that we begin to experience, what we’re doing in our brain is always gathering evidence and attempting to match what we see and what we are perceiving with things that we know, things that we believe, things we understand, things that are part of our life experience and then we attach or assign names to those things.
So you’re seeing an entity, a being, a spirit, an apparition, a phantom, a concept, a thought that’s out there, and your brain is rapidly moving at the speed of thought attempting to assemble that into something meaningful. So it throws up “angel” and that’s what I called it, an angel, and that’s how I related to it. It was an angel—an angel giving me guidance and giving me direction. At that time, this angel was giving me some degree of clarity that I was on a path that was not the path that was meant for me. I was supposed to be on a different path and that path was to be a teacher—a teacher not of conflict but of conflict resolution, a teacher of alternative methods of conflict resolution.
I would be ridiculous if I turned, at this point, to any of the listeners and said, “Oh yes, I understood all of that.” [Laughs] I had no clue what that meant. I was so naïve about any of these things because my life was very fixed. It was on a very definite path—there was no variance from that path whatsoever, as I saw it. I had been raised, groomed, and polished to do what I was doing and there was nothing that was going to sever me from that path or take me off of that. Nothing. But then this happened.
TS: You mentioned, David, that brain injuries like this can open up a conduit to the unconscious, and that there are other things that can open up, other kinds of impacts that can open up conduits to the unconscious. But for somebody, let’s say, who’s not suffering any kind of major stressor in their life, and yet they’re interested in learning Remote Viewing, will this passageway into the unconscious open for them, or are you more likely to be successful if you’ve had some kind of bullet to the head?
DM: Well, that’s a really, really good question. The answer is this is an ability that is not unique to me or to anyone else. This is an ability that is inherent in every human being. The quest to know what is beyond the other side of the physical is something that is part of the thoughts of 99 percent of the population, or 98 percent of the population, [every day].
There was actually a CNN study done many years ago, 15 years ago, trying to ask a number of the population that believed that there was something beyond the physical. That answer in the poll given was that 98 percent of the population believes that there is something beyond the physical. Two percent believe that there is not. That’s OK. That’s only two percent. That’s a very significant minority, and if that significant minority believes that there is nothing beyond the physical, that you exist now and when you’re done the lights go out and they pat you in the face with a shovel and blow taps over your butt, right? And that’s it. You’re done. There are other people that believe something completely different. They believe that there’s something beyond the physical, and it occupies their thoughts consciously or unconsciously all of the time.
So, to answer the question of how do you go from believing to knowing that there is something beyond the physical, that requires that the individual on this quest recognizes that they want to go—they’re no longer comfortable with [just] believing that there’s something beyond the physical, that they really want to know. Well, that requires the act of doing, engaging, of really digging deep and participating in something, of doing something and participating and studying and practicing in the physical in the non-physical realm, whatever path or method you might choose with which to engage that. Remote Viewing is just one path.
The beauty of the Remote Viewing, I think, is just that everyone understands where it came from. The fact that it came from science, it was born in science, it was studied in science, it was bred in science, it was taken by science. Laser physicists [Russell] Targ and [Harold] Puthoff produced the information back in the ’70s after five, six years of study and millions in research dollars from the federal government being spent on the exploration of this phenomenon. To come forward as physicists, when the rest of the scientific community—well, those who are disbelievers—would have loved for them to have come forward and said, “You know what, we studied it, we spent millions of dollars, we conducted all of our tests, and we can absolutely conclude there is nothing to this human phenomenon of being able to see distance in space and time.” Instead, they came forward and said exactly the opposite. [Laughs]
People should really clamp on to that. There can be any kind of a skeptic or a naysayer [who] can step forward and say, “Ah, there’s nothing there.” Well, that’s not what science says. You can quibble all you want—and they will—over whether or not the science was good science or whether it was researcher bias. You can always throw up the negative argument, but the bottom line is that science, federally-funded science, came forward [and said] that there is this ability, unique not to individuals but inherent in every member of the population, and that all of you have it and all of you can take it and hone and it fine-tune it and use it to understand and build and develop a different perspective of reality for yourself.
You know, there was an article that just came out—it came out on [March 6]—and this particular article, for those who want to go look at it, was done by Andrew Tarantola. The article is talking about the US military wanting to develop sixth-sensing in super soldiers. If any of you have read any of my books that looked at any of those things—and even on my blog, on my web page, you can go back and read about the First Earth Battalion. And of course, there was this sort of tongue-in-cheek movie done by this gonzo journalist called The Men Who Stare At Goats.
Everybody sort of looks at [that movie as being] the accurate depiction of what was going on in the First Earth Battalion, and it wasn’t. It was done to be tongue-in-cheek. But if you understand, really, the pure essence of what that movie was about—understand that the office of Naval Research is now looking again at trying to come up with ways that soldiers can be trained to harness their inner senses to improve their chances of getting out of battle alive and in tact. So they want to figure out how they can enhance the soldier’s ability to detect and act on unique patterns without consciously and internally analyzing them.
Well, that is, if you’re understanding what I’m saying to you, that is exactly what we’re talking about in Remote Viewing, only we’ve taken it from its roots, which was in the military intelligence community. We’ve taken it from there and we’ve remolded it, resculpted it into something that left all of that behind and moved forward into using it as something that can be of benefit to all of humanity. Using the same scientific tools, techniques, protocols, procedures, but using it for us to decide how each one of us will build a new perception of reality for ourselves and move forward in this life with unlimited promise and possibility. That’s the whole idea with taking it. It’s not about winning the lottery. It’s not about doing something—it’s about having a different perception, a different perspective on life and on reality and our connectedness to all things. That’s what we’re doing with it now.
TS: I want to talk more about that David, but just before we get there, I’m curious [about] how accurate Remote Viewing is. Meaning, here you were working with other people, you were working with targets—what was the level of accuracy you and your team were able to achieve?
DM: To answer the question, I need to make sure I pre-frame [it] with this understanding: There will be my perception of it. There will be anybody else’s perception of it. There will be what was publicly stated by the Central Intelligence Agency. There will be people who roll up a figure—a skeptical figure—that will be less than what it [really] is. There will be people who roll up a research figure, again justifying the millions of dollars spent and/or additional millions of dollars being spent, and their figure will be higher. The truth rests somewhere in between all of those data points. As long as everybody understands that it will all—it is pure statistics; it paints whatever picture you want it to paint.
What is the level of accuracy? Far more than you would think it would be. What is the level of accuracy? It depends on the individuals doing the work. It also depends on the type of work they’re doing. It also depends on how the evaluator is looking at it. Is it more than chance? Yes it is. Is it less than what your happy expectation of it would be? Yes, it is. It’s far less. It has some very real limitations. How valuable is it? That again depends on the individual participating in it and doing it and working with it. Is it of established known value to the whole of the human condition? No, not really. Will there ever be? No, probably not. Because I don’t think we’ll ever come to an agreement on it.
Is it of value to each individual who participates in it? Yes, it sure is. How much? I don’t know. It depends on the individual. It depends on what you’re getting out of it. If it empowers you to understand your connectedness to all things, is that of great value to you? Well, it is to me. It may not be to a lot of other people. Is it worth participating in a webinar or reading a book or listening to a tape? It would be to me. I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t want to know that being a realist in this perspective. If somebody is telling you that they participated in something that was of tremendous value for them spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, and physically, they would want to share that. Is it worth your time to listen? God, I certainly hope so.
You know, if you’re open to those kinds of possibilities, then you’re going be a better person for being open to those kinds of possibilities. Do you need to do your own due diligence to assess whether or not it’s highly valuable to you? Absolutely. My goodness, yes. You do. And should you step into it with some preconceived notion, an expectation of how valuable it’s going to be to you? No, because then you’re not doing due diligence—you’re pre-framing yourself, front-loading yourself to an expectation. You’re not going to be honest with yourself about what it does or doesn’t do for you. If you’re listening to me and I sound credible to you, do it. Jump into it, explore it. Listen. Jump in.
TS: OK, so given that—it sounds [like] one of the primary benefits is how people’s experience of consciousness changes through their own investigation of Remote Viewing. What I’m curious to know is how has your experience of consciousness been informed by Remote Viewing?
DM: Tremendously. And for this simple reason: I had a belief that there was something beyond the physical. It was not an educated belief. I didn’t grow up in the church. I didn’t study or understand the mechanism or the meaning or the idea of God. I sort of thought that there was going to be a life after this life, but I really didn’t give it a lot of thought. Maybe I should have, but I didn’t. Growing up, I didn’t have a very spiritual family upbringing. And I didn’t really think about our connectedness to all things. I didn’t. I just kind of dealt with what was in front of me everyday and figured that, really, the mark of a man as a leader in combat or a leader in the military was in your ability to train and be indifferent and to be cold and to be balanced in what you’re doing. You know, to let the chaplain for the battalion be the spiritual connection there. You had another job to do.
[So I had] this experience immediately opening all of this up, and then [I had] this tremendous blessing of being brought into this unit and given this opportunity to systematically, daily, unlock this door and step into the unconscious mind and explore with a purpose, with a reason, for being there. [I had] a mission to come back with something and to be able to look at it and unfold it and understand and then go back in again. [I could] walk in my unconscious mind with a purpose with an understanding. [This experience] just unconsciously opened this unconscious mind. Every day, the practice of doing it opened me up to the possibilities that were there, and then suddenly, when I started grasping what was happening, then I really wanted to get good at it.
I really wanted to fully understand it and be better at it once I started seeing this subtle opening that was there. [I wanted] the clarity, the meaning, the intense possibility of what it meant to understand it. To not just believe it or hope it or wish or pray for it anymore, but to understand that I had an ability to step into this place and to commune with God, to speak to the universe. [That I could] experience all of these things and build my own perception of it in a really intense, heightened way was transformational for me, for my family, for everyone that knew me in a very powerful—almost to such a degree that words just never fully capture how significant it was to me. I don’t have the language to explain it.
TS: That’s OK, but part of what I’m getting at is you’re talking about this existence beyond the physical. What do you now know about consciousness because of all the Remote Viewing that you’ve done?
DM: Do you mean what do I know [about what] is on the other side of this physical reality?
DM: Infinite other existences. Does it mean reincarnation back into this process, this planet, and this world doing these things as another being? I don’t know that part. If there is an element of clarity to be gained there, that was never gifted to me. And I can say that I actually looked for it and I never got that answer. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Maybe I wasn’t supposed to know it. Maybe I didn’t look in the right place. Maybe I didn’t frame my questions properly as I stepped into the unconscious mind searching there for what I was supposed to learn.
I know that the answer to everything is there. I know there’s a tremendous amount of peace and understanding to be there, to be had there. And [I know] that it’s there just for those who are brave enough, courageous enough, willing to step into the unknown, to let go of what they think they know and to step into a place of honest, humble, loving exploration and openness to what is there. I think that had—if I knew what I know now, I would have been a far better father, I would have been a far better husband, I would have been a far better playmate and person, I would have been a far better leader, I would have been a far better friend.
TS: In what way, David, knowing what you know now?
DM: Every imaginable way. I would’ve been more aware of the feelings. I would’ve been more aware of what drives people, of what people are made up of. I would have looked beyond their skin to what is inside of them, to what makes them up. I would have looked at them eight-dimensionally. I would not have looked at them three-dimensionally. I would have perceived them in a different way.
TS: Help me understand what that means. I don’t know what it means to look at someone eight-dimensionally.
DM: Let me give you an example. I’ll give you an example of the orca whale. It is believed by those who research [them] that an orca whale, through its fantastic sonar capabilities, when it scans a human being or prey or the world around it, it sees its world devoid of surfaces. So it actually sees the world made up in waveform expressions of itself. It doesn’t see a surface or a reflective surface. It sees through the object, whatever it happens to be—whether it’s stone or another mammal or fish or human or boat. It sees through it. It sees it eight-dimensionally.
It no longer sees just its height, width, depth, and dimension of time that it takes for that object to move from point A to point B in its space. What it actually does is it sees through it. It sees through and into the waveform expression of everything that is in front of it. So that, actually, for researchers who study it, means that it is really a God-like creature, because it sees through everything and understands what is going on in thoughts—the history, the make-up, the perceptions, the love, the hate, the possibility, the opportunity, the history of this being that it’s looking into because it sees it eight-dimensionally from a hyperspace perspective.
I can’t explain that part to you. You would really have—if you’re going to jump into eight-dimensional cubic forms and understand eight-dimensional space, that’s going to be another whole podcast. [Laughs] Just understand that it means in simplistic terms to be able to perceive something beyond a four-dimensional construct. It means to be able to see it at a quantum level, and that’s how we know an orca whale perceives the world around it at a quantum level. Do we have that capability as human beings? Well, not if all we rely upon is our ability to see something in four-dimensional space: its height, weight, depth, and an element of time, which is how the physical world sees everything.
When you start understanding an eight-dimensional perspective, or an unconscious perspective of knowing something without knowing how you know it—what is this gut feeling, what is this intuitive feeling, where does it come from, why is it there, why should I trust it? If I feel badly about the energy that’s coming from something, some place, some person, some situation, some event, why should I trust that, why should I act upon it, why should I move away from it, why should I move into it? Those are the kind of things that, through the practice of any path that sharpens those skills, hones those skills [and] makes you more aware of those messages, of that [speech], of that inner voice. That is a good thing and you need to move closer to it. That’s what Remote Viewing does. It just does it from a scientific perspective, [and] through this scientific endeavor, you start to embrace this spiritual piece of what is there, that spiritual understanding.
That’s what Remote Viewing has done for me. It’s stripped away all of these layers of consciousness that have said, “This is how you are to perceive the world, this is how you are supposed to react and to live within the world, this is how you’re supposed to assess everything in the world.” It opened up and removed all of those boundaries and gave me new tools, new understanding, new insight to the world around me. That was a new set of keys to the kingdom for me.
TS: That’s very helpful to hear you talk about this idea of eight-dimensional perception. What I’d love to know is when you were being trained in Remote Viewing, day after day by the military, what was that training like. How did it go?
DM: It was boring. It was like being a graduate student placed back in freshman high school class on almost every level. It was maddening. For those of you that are mildly attention deficit disordered like I am, I was--my mind was constantly wandering. It wasn’t moving fast enough for me.
They would do things like, you would step into the room and there was this file drawer safe. Those that have seen [them] in the intelligence community—everything gets locked up in a safe, so they have filing cabinets that are in fact safes. So there was one that was four or five drawers high and then quite deep, 24 inches deep. It was legal-size width. They’d open the top drawer and they’d pull out the first file and they’d go, “OK, you start here, and when you finish reading every file in this cabinet, all the way down to the last file in the back of the bottom drawer, then we’ll start your training.” Huh? My God. It was like, are you kidding me? I’m here now and what I have to do is read every one of these files from here to there?
So that took a long time to get through that. And then the next piece [started]. Now you’re going to learn your stage one and you would get a stage one briefing. You had seven stages to learn. So they would give you a stage one briefing. The stage one briefing would go on for a week, maybe two weeks because you had to, verbally and in writing, articulate to your trainer your understanding of what you had just been told. If that collective of those who were trained believed that you were now comfortable with what you were being given, then you were permitted to go on to the next level of training. Well, there again, this was a struggle because it ended up not being [about] how you really understood the material, but how you were able to externally convince someone else that you understood the materials.
That was a challenge, especially for me, being an infantry officer and special ops guy because you’re walking into this—people didn’t question whether or not you understood something in the environment that I came from. That was very rare. So now you’re in here with a group of peers challenging whether or not you fully embrace the concept that they were trying to get across to you. In retrospect, as an educator and as a trainer, it was an adequate system, and they did the best they could, but they did bizarre things. Like they would not give you the training manual—[because it] was a really bad training manual, as it turns out. But the training manual was always being dangled in front of you [like] a carrot, like, “OK, you get through all of the training we’ll give you the training manual.” [Laughs] So [I’m] like, what? You mean after I supposedly learn everything, then you’re going to give me the manual? That was just, to me, as a trainer and educator, nuts to be able to do something like that. They had their reasons for it and that’s not what we need to discuss.
But that was what the training program was like. It was very long. It was 12 to 18 months on average. I completed the training in six months, but it was typically 12 to 18 months long. There was no manual until after the fact, [and] it was highly theoretical. Much of it was individualized training from someone who had crossed over this transformational path from believing to knowing. Whether they were a good teacher or not, they were now responsible for training and opening your eyes.
One thing that was infallible in the training mechanism was the idea that actually participating in a session was how one learned and learned at an accelerated rate. Once you got out of your own way and stopped being a bore—in that you were a skeptic on everything—[and] once you finally started to accept and embrace what you were experiencing, you started to take the physical training barriers down. The intellectual barriers began to fall away. The spiritual obstacles began to fall away and you started to open at an ever-increasingly rapid pace through the experience of doing in the physical and nonphysical. It started coming in like the gates had been opened on the dam, the flood gates were opening. The information began to pour, the understanding began to pour.
The beauty of being in the environment of learning—where you have others who are experiencing simultaneously in this endeavor—is that you have a feedback mechanism and a sharing mechanism with other like-minded learners that tremendously accelerates the learning process. It’s extremely difficult to grab the book or to grab a handout or a flier or grab something else and go sit by yourself and read it and attempt to interpret it and really get the kind of experience that is fully possible from it. In order to maximize the learning potential, the ability to, again, go back to this webinar concept—where you have everyone hooked up in this mastermind kind of a concept, where everyone is sharing and interacting and listening and asking questions and you’re learning so much—it accelerates the learning curve. That’s important. It’s great to be able to get the books, the tapes, the other things and do that but as soon as we start to pull it together at a higher level we accelerate the learning process.
TS: You started working, then, on actual targets with your learning group. Is that how it went?
DM: Well, I started engaging targets as soon as I read the file-safe. As soon as I read the file-safe I got my first briefing. Two days later, I was putting pen to paper and closing my eyes and going into an altered brain-wave state. [I was] attempting to then detect and decode eight-dimensional waveform data into four-dimensional waveform data in my conscious mind and then further distilling that information down into two-dimensional media with pen to paper and attempting to draw, sketch and describe in writing what I was experiencing, what I was perceiving.
The act of participating in that is what began to open the conduits further into the unconscious. The more you participate, the more quickly those conduits become open, and then the more polished they become and the more quickly the data and the exchange of data, of information, between this conscious mind and the unconscious mind begins to accelerate.
TS: You talked about going into a slight trance state. I know when you teach Remote Viewing you include a “pink noise” audio track that helps people enter an alpha state, an alpha brainwave state. Maybe just speak briefly about that, and then I have another question for you.
DM: Yes, it’s slightly more than pink noise. It’s pink noise with binaural beat. We know that the binaural beat will entrain the mind into an alpha-wave state. There’s another CD that we have that actually entrains the brain into a theta-wave state. Alpha-wave state is just below the conscious threshold, in lay terms. You’re just in this place. You’re still aware of what’s going on in the room physically, but you’re in a very relaxed state. In that relaxed state, that is where you’re doing the work of detecting, and then you have to consciously come back. You’re porpoising up to decode onto the page and then [going] back in to detect and back up to decode again. That’s what we’re doing in the Coordinate Remote Viewing pink alpha—that’s the pink alpha [that] has the binaural beat of alpha wave in there.
[The training] also has a yogic relaxation breath meditation that precedes it, which is part of the cool-down process to get you into this altered state, to actually begin doing the work. You can do it without it—it is just a training accelerator. That’s why we put it in there as we’re training you, as we’re teaching you to do this, and then eventually you’ll put that aside. You won’t need it any longer. Once you know what an alpha-wave state feels like and you know how to get there, you won’t need the artificial device to get you there. You’ll be able to do it very quickly—[you’ll only need] seconds to get to that state.
TS: OK, and then, David, here’s my question: Of course, human beings have been using the sound of drums and rattles to enter that kind of altered state, light trance state, and receive information, divination, since the beginning of time. I mean, this is how shamanic practitioners have worked in traditional cultures, so what is it about Remote Viewing that’s different than what humans have been doing for thousands of years?
DM: It’s not different. It is just yet another path to get to that same place. Everything is energy and energy is everything. Therefore, everything can be expressed in its waveform—in the waveform expression of itself. If [you] remember that energy is everything and everything is energy—so therefore everything can be expressed in waveform—then you are understanding that the drums and anything else that is part of any other path or practice [are] simply causing the brain, the conscious mind, to focus on something outside of the physical dimension. [They are] causing that focus to happen so that we begin to be entrained with that beat, with that frequency, with that waveform that puts us into that altered state of consciousness where then we begin that journey into the unconscious mind.
Remote Viewing—and its Coordinate Remote Viewing form—is just a scientifically based former intelligence collection methodology, now taken and transformed into a spiritual empowerment practice, if you will. [It] has its history and its roots still embedded in science and in the intelligence community, but it is now no longer sequestered away as this intelligence collection tool. It is now a tool of empowerment for everyone to participate in. Is it something that should supercede or surpass or bypass or remove any other practice that is out there? Absolutely no. No. It is not. It is yet one more path that can be walked. If you are truly an explorer of spirit then walk every possible path until you find the path that you choose to stand squarely on. This may not be that path, but may be the path. And even if it is not, it’s still going to open your eyes wider to what is there on the other side of the conscious mind, on the other side of the physical reality in which we now stand.
TS: David, do you know, does the military still use Remote Viewing today? I mean, even with satellites?
DM: Yes, absolutely.
TS: We have satellite imaging. I mean, wouldn’t that be a little bit more reliable?
DM: What you learn in the intelligence community is that nobody puts all of their eggs in one basket. And no intelligence collection methodology is the be-all end-all. If satellite imagery were the most valuable and the only valuable intelligence collection methodology available, then there wouldn’t be HUMINT, SIGINT, ELINT, PSYINT, and all of the other “-INTs” that are out there, right? Intelligence collection is putting together the pieces of the puzzle. The pieces of the puzzle are manifested through whatever intelligence collection methodology is available to them, and they don’t leave any of them behind.
TS: What do you think the method of Remote Viewing has to add to the other methods that are available? [What] is its unique contribution?
DM: Well, just as Stansfield Turner said as a former director of the CIA: even if it’s three percent accurate—which, of course, we know it’s documented to be far more than three percent accurate. The point he was making was that if it was three-percent accurate information that I cannot glean by any other means, then it is intelligence dollars well spent.
If you understand what he is trying to get across, then you understand the brilliance of the statement. If I cannot glean that information by any other means, if I cannot get somebody to tell me about it, if I can’t snatch it out of the air with signal or electronic intelligence, if I can’t get any photographic evidence of it, [but] I can get three or four or five or six people to sit in a room at different times and perceive this target and come back with matching data that I can then assemble into a perspective on what is taking place in this particular target quest, if you will, then that is highly valuable information to the process.
So, yes, there’s no question about it. They continue to do it. They would have never stopped it. However, they told you they stopped it, but what else would you expect them to do? I mean, after there are several books written about it. Mine was the first, but after there are books written by every other member of that organization who’s retired or gotten out of the military—every other member of that organization telling a different perspective on that same story—what else would anybody expect the intelligence community to do? Their standard mission is “neither confirm nor deny,” so what they came up with was, “Yes, [it existed], but it wasn’t as good as everybody thought it was, and so yes, we’re not going to do it anymore.” Well, if you believe that—you know the rest of that adage.
TS: Here’s something I’m curious about. I know when someone learns Remote Viewing that [they] could actually remote view into the future, and I wonder if you can speak a little bit about that. How could I Remote View into the future? Does that mean that the future is a fixed target? Isn’t it a moving target?
DM: Well, to truly understand it, we would have to go to the screen and get some sort of a graphic there, where I can take an embedded diagram and explain to you what the difference between [the] embedded diagram and what I’m trying to show to you, express to you, eight-dimensionally, and understanding the mechanism of time using Dirac delta function and a lot of other mathematical expressions that show—
TS: I don’t have the brain power for all that, David. You’re going to have to bring it down for me.
DM: [Laughs] I’m just trying to set the stage.
DM: It’s a difficult thing to describe verbally to people without any other training aid, but let’s just say, can you view into the future? Sure you can view into the future. Is it highly accurate? No, because what is it? You’re looking at a potential outcome. You’re looking at one potential outcome. There are an infinite number of variables in the moment that are driving what that potential outcome is and/or whether or not that potential outcome ever manifests in the moment.
So you’re looking at a potential outcome. If you look at that potential outcome and if you cause that outcome to fluoresce because you’re putting a lot of time, energy, emotion, [and] focus on it, does it mean that you might drive a pattern of perceptions or pattern of potentials to that particular outcome? Yes. You could. If you see it there and if you give it a great deal of energy, what typically happens—if you see something, if you establish an outcome or a possibility and you give it a tremendous amount of energy and focus so that almost every moment in the present, in the moment right now—no, right now … no, right now—you’re thinking about that potential outcome, what happens? Well, lo and behold. Typically people find that it shows up, and then they’re surprised—or not surprised, depending on your understanding.
If you throw it out there as a possibility and constantly think about it, then, yes, you’ll drive the moment to it or steer it or bring it into the moment, however you want to look at that. If you just recognize it as one potential in an infinite spectrum of potentials, you will realize that you can look for another potential and yet another potential and another potential. [You can] choose the potential and you can give that potential energy and you can then drive the moment to that potential outcome.
It does not have to be the outcome that shows up. A great deal of what shows up is always driven by our perceptions about the past and what the past uses as a pattern, as a template, to dictate what we are in the moment. Now, I would really love to talk about that at length, but I don’t think we have the time to do that. But if you understand that mechanism and you understand that looking in to the future is but—you’re looking at a shotgun blast of possibilities of infinite possibilities. You pick one, give it a great deal of energy, you’re liable to drive yourself right straight to it. You pick another one of lesser or greater impact—your choice—give that one a lot of energy, and you’re going to drive that to become your outcome. If you understand just that simple piece of this, you’ll understand you do not have to stumble and fall through life into whatever shows up. The past is only a prediction of the future if you let it be a prediction of the future.
TS: That’s helpful. David, I just have two more questions for you. One is I’m curious if you’d be willing to share with us something from your own experience as a Remote Viewer that totally surprised you and convinced you actually of the value of Remote Viewing. It was like, “Wow, I never would have thought it would have been like that.” Something you experienced.
DM: I think the best story is a story about my father. I think it was the most impactful for me. My father was a Golden Glove boxer. He was a war officer in the army. He was typically a very straightforward, no-nonsense, mean kind of guy. He was a soldier. He was a master sergeant in World War II. He gave that up to be a warrant officer, fought in two wars—just a tremendous person, very focused and driven man, and very authoritarian in how he raised my brother and me. It was a bizarre life, but I thought that was what it was supposed to be.
When I started having challenges in the military, because I was divulging information about this organization and there were other allegations being made and other stuff was going on, my father was probably my greatest supporter in all that next to my mother. But my father was there all the time, constantly there supporting me and making sure that everything was going the way it was supposed to go or stepping in to defend. The day I resigned my commission my father—as I was standing outside of the commanding general’s office and I was getting ready to resign my commission, my father steps up to me and he was talking to my mother. They both kind of walked over to me as I was standing outside the office alone there, and there were tears in my mother’s eyes, and I could see sort of tears welling up in my father’s eyes.
You have to understand, that [was] something I never saw before, ever. My father knew the entire story of everything about the gunshot wound in the desert and recruitment into this program. My father was always the guy telling me, “Stay away from this stuff, don’t go into this thing, don’t do this, you’re stepping into a world you’re not going to be accepted in and you’re going to end your career,” on and on and on. But yet I thought I knew best, and I was being drawn into the vortex of just the possibility of all this, so I wasn’t going to stop. It was what, in retrospect, I was supposed to be doing. But my father was trying to protect me. He knew that I was going to be spun into this—chewed up, spit back out, and a new-transformed mechanism in me, he just wasn’t comfortable with.
So he comes over to me standing up there. I’m kind of trembling because I’m getting ready to go in and end my life as I know it, end my career, turn over a piece of paper and walk out. He says to me, “I just think it’s important that right now I share a story with you.” So my father tells me this story of a time [when] he was in Korea [and] he got a bronze star for something. I knew he had a bronze star. I didn’t know what the story was behind it or what was in the narrative. I don’t think I ever saw the narrative, but my father rushed out to a tank that had thrown a track. The tank belonged to his battalion.
He rushed out to this tank that was in a depression. Enemy mortars were zeroing in, bracketing this tank. My father goes out with his driver in a jeep. They get to the tank. They start helping the crew to try to right the track on this tank, and get that back on—I don’t know, I’m not a mechanized or an armor officer. But it’s involved, and it’s snowing and it’s raining and there are mortar shells impacting around them. They’re in a depression, so the shells are not getting to them, but while they’re there working on this track, a shell lands close to the tank. This shell, landing close to the tank, kills several members of the crew on the tank. It knocks my father out, wounds his driver. Just a bunch of things go on there, and the impact of this shell happens. And in this time, my father says to me, standing outside this general’s office, he goes, “An angel came to me, and this angel said, ‘You [will] one day have a son and that [he] would teach peace.’” My father, at that moment, shut down after regaining consciousness in that moment. He always remembered that.
He shared that story with my mother. He never shared it with my sister, who was at that time already born and 10 years old. He did not share it with me ever, until I’m standing there resigning my commission. He shares this story with me that an angel [came] to him when he’s knocked unconscious from a mortar shell [and said] that he would have a son. I was not even born yet. I was not born until 11 months later, after my father returned from the Korean War. Then I was conceived and born later. Now here I am, resigning my commission, because I’ve told this story and I’m empowered in this new manner of seeing and my life is transforming—some for the good, some for the bad, some for the worst—and all of this is shifting. All of this is happening, and he knows that story, and he now shares with me his visitation from an angel.
At that moment, as I connected the dots from my life to his life, that became a moment of clarity that was the most transformational thing that I have ever experienced. And he withheld that from me for 30 some-odd years of my life. That was an amazing thing for him to say to me.
TS: That’s an amazing story, David. I just have one last question for you. And, in a sense, I think it comes from the feeling tone of that story, which is the thing that I am always the most interested in: the opening of the human heart, the change that takes place in the human heart. I’m curious for you how learning Remote Viewing and then teaching Remote Viewing to others and even the practice of Remote Viewing—in your view, how does it change our experience of the human heart?
DM: Wow. I know that from my experience that my heart was opened through this journey. It was opened. It was purified. It was clarified. It became infinite.
I mean, the things that I love—the things that I look around and see in my life, the things that I recognize now that I simply never would have recognized without this opening of this charka, if you will. Just the idea of what I might have been had this never happened for me, if I had never been blessed by the shot in the head and been given an opportunity to participate in the organization that I did. If I had never been given the opportunity to see the bad things and the good things—to stumble, to fall, to know what I know, to be around the people that I’ve been around, to participate in teaching, in awakening an opening for other people—what I might have been as a human being. It’s just unthinkable. It’s unconscionable. I couldn’t even fathom what I might have been if I had not been able to open my heart and open my mind to the possibilities of this human experience.
So Remote Viewing for me was a tremendous tool, but Remote Viewing also was a tremendous gift in that it steered me along a path, a parallel path. [It allowed me] to be able to look left and right and see so many amazing, wonderful people and so many amazing, wonderful paths and experiences and lectures and books and methods and understandings and interpretations. I think all of that collectively was so powerfully transformational, I would never have been able to get there only with Remote Viewing any more than I would have only been able to get there through meditation or through something else.
It was just this collective journey, and you know, I have to thank people like you and people at Sounds True for opening up that kind of possibility. It’s really powerful to be able to go to one place and be able to find so many different opportunities and so many different paths and journeys all put together in one library, if you will. That’s a tremendous gift to the world. I just want to make sure that I tell you that because I sincerely believe that it is fantastic to be able to go to a place, to one place and to be able to scroll through and find all of these really beautiful opportunities to experience and to take hold of them and to know that they’re freely generated and put there. And then at the same time, [they’re] guided by people who are really focused on intensifying everyone’s opening of their heart and opening of their experience, opening of their spirit. I’m just really grateful for that. I truly am. I know that’s not what you probably wanted to hear from me but I just wanted to say that.
TS: No, I appreciate it. I wanted to hear what was in your heart and I appreciate hearing you say that. Thank you so much, David, for making the time for this conversation and about your work with Remote Viewing. I really appreciate it.
DM: It’s my pleasure.
TS: David Morehouse has created, with Sounds True, a user’s manual for Coordinate Remote Viewing, a very complete book, as well as The Remote Viewing Online Training Course. This is really the definitive method for learning Coordinate Remote Viewing. SoundsTrue.com. Many voices, one journey. Thanks for listening.