{"id":26173,"date":"2026-07-07T03:00:26","date_gmt":"2026-07-07T09:00:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/resources2.soundstrue.com\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=26173"},"modified":"2026-07-06T19:25:59","modified_gmt":"2026-07-07T01:25:59","slug":"marisa-renee-lee-making-a-stubborn-commitment-to-hope","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/resources2.soundstrue.com\/podcast\/marisa-renee-lee-making-a-stubborn-commitment-to-hope\/","title":{"rendered":"Marisa Renee Lee: Making A Stubborn Commitment to Hope"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 200px; border: 0 none;\" src=\"https:\/\/art19.com\/shows\/1632d73c-91ea-42a8-a3db-a62b135d081c\/episodes\/e3a1fdcf-3124-4eda-b589-7987bcf27656\/embed?theme=light-gray-orange\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-popups allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hope isn&#8217;t a feeling that arrives and stays\u2014it&#8217;s a commitment you make, over and over, even when you&#8217;re in bed crying, even when you can&#8217;t stand up long enough to take a shower.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This week, Tami Simon speaks with Marisa Ren\u00e9e Lee\u2014award-winning author, Harvard graduate, former Obama White House deputy director, and CEO of Beacon Advisors\u2014about her new book, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Waiting for Dawn: Living with Uncertainty<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Drawing on her own two-year journey through long COVID and the lessons she has gathered as an advocate for grief and social healing, Marisa offers a clear-eyed, deeply personal guide to enduring the unwanted seasons of life.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Join Tami and Marisa to explore:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why uncertainty isn&#8217;t a crisis to be solved but a season to be navigated\u2014with honesty, self-compassion, and the courage to ask for help<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How long COVID stripped away Marisa&#8217;s surface-level identity and forced her to discover what was truly immutable in her<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The science and spirituality of hope\u2014and why a ruthless commitment to it requires both trust <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> action<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;Inherited hope&#8221;: drawing on the courage of ancestors and those who came before us<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why meaning-making isn&#8217;t required\u2014and the harm in pressuring people to turn their worst pain into a lesson<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The role of endurance, humility, and impermanence (from the 23rd Psalm to Buddhist teaching) in waiting for dawn<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How to identify your own &#8220;arbiters of hope&#8221; when doubt and hope are running neck and neck<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Whether you&#8217;re in the thick of a hard season right now or supporting someone who is, Marisa&#8217;s wisdom\u2014earned the hard way\u2014will help you find your footing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Listen now and make your commitment to hope. \u2192<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This conversation offers genuine transmission\u2014not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together. 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