{"id":26223,"date":"2026-07-28T03:00:25","date_gmt":"2026-07-28T09:00:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/resources2.soundstrue.com\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=26223"},"modified":"2026-07-27T18:28:38","modified_gmt":"2026-07-28T00:28:38","slug":"d-w-pasulka-could-we-become-ultra-human-ufos-a-i-our-evolution","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/resources2.soundstrue.com\/podcast\/d-w-pasulka-could-we-become-ultra-human-ufos-a-i-our-evolution\/","title":{"rendered":"D. W. Pasulka: Could We Become Ultra-Human? UFOs, A.I. &#038; Our Evolution"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 200px; border: 0 none;\" src=\"https:\/\/art19.com\/shows\/1632d73c-91ea-42a8-a3db-a62b135d081c\/episodes\/eda7f123-621f-44ea-a37d-65a3c5ec4fa2\/embed?theme=light-gray-orange\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-popups allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the early twentieth century, Jesuit priest and paleontologist Teilhard de Chardin predicted that humanity was evolving toward a &#8220;thinking layer&#8221; around the Earth\u2014the noosphere\u2014that would give rise to a new kind of human he called the &#8220;ultra-human.&#8221; A hundred years later, that vision is having an unexpected revival in Silicon Valley.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This week, Tami Simon speaks with Dr. Diana Pasulka, who writes under the name D.W. Pasulka, a professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">American Cosmic<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Encounters<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and the new book <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Others: UFOs, AI, and the Secret Forces Guiding Human Destiny<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. For years, Pasulka has studied the uncanny overlap between centuries of religious testimony\u2014angel encounters, apparitions, mystical visions\u2014and modern reports of UFO contact, and what that overlap might mean for how we understand both AI and our own evolution.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Join Tami and Diana to explore:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Teilhard de Chardin&#8217;s century-old vision of the noosphere and the &#8220;ultra-human&#8221;\u2014and why tech entrepreneurs are reviving it today<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The pattern match between medieval angel-contact accounts and modern UFO experiencer reports<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why religious revelation has historically been far less &#8220;positive&#8221; than we assume\u2014and what that says about today&#8217;s abduction literature<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The difference between relating to AI as a tool versus as a companion\u2014and the &#8220;chemical relationship&#8221; Pasulka sees forming between young people and AI<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why one NASA historian believes truly advanced extraterrestrial intelligence might be permanently incommensurable with our own<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pasulka&#8217;s own time horizon for mainstream public acceptance of extraterrestrial life<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why she argues that the possibility of UFOs being real may be the best thing to happen to religion in two hundred years<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Whether you come to this conversation as a skeptic, a believer, or simply someone trying to make sense of how AI is reshaping our inner lives, Pasulka offers a provocative lens on what we might be evolving into\u2014and what we stand to lose along the way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Listen now and step into the edge of our own evolution. \u2192<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This conversation offers genuine transmission, not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together, and originally aired on <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/join.soundstrue.com\/free-month-trial-membership\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sounds True One<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is supported by Omega Institute, a global gathering hub for lifelong learning and spiritual exploration. 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