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Tami Simon: <\/b>Welcome to <\/span>The Michael Singer Podcast<\/span><\/i>. Michael singer is the author of the widely influential <\/span>New York Times<\/span><\/i> bestsellers <\/span>The Untethered Soul <\/span><\/i>and <\/span>The Surrender Experiment <\/span><\/i>and a new book destined to become a spiritual classic, <\/span>Living Untethered: Beyond the Human Predicament<\/span><\/i>. Michael singer lives and teaches at Temple of the Universe, the yoga and meditation center he founded in 1975 near Gainesville. Florida. Produced in partnership with Shanty Publications, the Michael Singer podcast brings you select recordings from Michael Singer\u2019s teachings at Temple of the Universe.<\/span><\/p>\n

This episode is on \u201cThe Stages of the Spiritual Path: A Continuum of Letting Go.\u201d Sounds True would also like you to know about an extraordinary eight-part video course we\u2019ve created with Michael Singer. It\u2019s called <\/span>Living from a Place of Surrender: The Untethered Soul in Action<\/span><\/i>. It\u2019s an online course that many people report to be utterly life changing. You can find out more at michaelsingerpodcast.com and you can save 15% off any Michael Singer program available through Sounds True when you use the code SINGER15 at checkout. Again, that\u2019s SINGER15.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

And now, \u201cThe Stages of the Spiritual Path: A Continuum of Letting Go,\u201d with Michael Singer.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Michael Singer:<\/b> Spirituality and the spiritual path is way more simple than people make it. In fact, it\u2019s the most simple thing that you can do with your life. Everything else is just complicating the issue. What you\u2019ll see eventually\u2014and it\u2019s true of everybody all the time\u2014is if you will look clearly inside yourself, what you will see is that you want to be OK. That\u2019s what you want. It\u2019s so simple to say it that way. I want to be OK. What does that mean? I want to be OK. I want to feel right inside. I want to feel love. I want to feel joy, want to feel enthusiasm. I want to feel strength. I want to feel well-being. That is so innate. It\u2019s just like your body wants to feel well. Nobody wants to have aches and pains and be sick and things with their body. I want to feel invigorated. They want to feel strong. They want to feel right.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s exactly the same, except actually stronger with your psychological being, with your spiritual being. You want to feel high. You want to feel well. You want to feel right, and it\u2019s so obvious. And it is so simple, but nobody will see that. Nobody will own that. They own all these other things that they want. I want to get married. I want to have a car. I want people to respect me. I want to look better. I want etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And there\u2019s just millions and billions of things that they say they want. And they also have all these things that they don\u2019t want. Eventually you go very quickly and you see the wants and the not-wants are the same.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

They\u2019re just like light and dark are the same. They\u2019re just variances in the spectrum of light. You stretch out the wavelength of light, colors change. If you want, you can get all hung up on the colors, or you can say, \u201cThis is the light spectrum.\u201d So there is this spectrum of feelings of states of being that you can have inside. They can go from very dark to very light. You don\u2019t like the dark and you like the light. As I said, it\u2019s very easy. So liking and disliking are just different degrees of wanting to be OK. Eventually to see it all is the same. If I\u2019m not doing well, because something\u2019s bothering me, I want the thing to stop bothering me. Why? I\u2019ll be doing better than when it\u2019s bothering me. That\u2019s all. I didn\u2019t get positive yet. I\u2019m less negative or I\u2019m doing well. I want to get better. It\u2019s amazing to watch it.<\/span><\/p>\n

Somebody says to you, \u201cI love you. I truly love you.\u201d And you this rush of love. And what you immediately say is, \u201cWhat did you say? I couldn\u2019t hear you,\u201d because you want to hear it again. You just want to keep building this sense of well-being. So eventually, you get to the point\u2014and this is what it means to truly be a spiritual being. It\u2019s not what they say it is. As you realize, that\u2019s what I\u2019m doing. That\u2019s who I am. I\u2019m the being who wants to be as high as I can. I\u2019m the being who wants to feel the most love, the most joy, the least sorrow\u2014I don\u2019t care if it\u2019s least or more\u2014be as high on the spectrum of well-being that I can go, right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The problem is that we have externalized that truth. That\u2019s the entire problem with the way we live our lives and why we don\u2019t live as spiritual beings and why it\u2019s so difficult. Instead of saying, \u201cThat\u2019s what I want. That\u2019s all I want, is to be as high on the spectrum of inner being as I possibly can.\u201d Instead we say we want all these other things and that we don\u2019t want all these other things. Our minds become preoccupied with what it is that we said we wanted and what it is that we said we didn\u2019t want, and the rest is history. And a wise being realizes, if I\u2019m not careful, I will spend my entire life trying to get what I really don\u2019t want and trying to avoid what really makes no difference, because what I want is a sense of well-being. But I\u2019m not saying that. I\u2019m saying that I want all these other things outside.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so to make a long story short, because you lost this sense of what you really want and you externalized it and said, \u201cI will get it by all these other things happening,\u201d your mind now becomes hyperactive, trying to get what you want and avoid what you don\u2019t want. Wise being has reached the point they see that\u2019s all the mind is doing. It\u2019s just constantly trying to figure out how to get what I want and how to avoid what I don\u2019t want. And it stays very, very busy and very, very active. And what ends up happening is all of your energy, all of your <\/span>qi<\/span><\/i>, all of your <\/span>Shakti<\/span><\/i>, call it whatever you want, all your energy and will become involved in trying to manipulate the life outside of you to be the way your mind thinks it needs to be. And it doesn\u2019t bring you happiness. It simply does not. I\u2019m not cursing you. I\u2019m really stating the truth.<\/span><\/p>\n

In fact, what it brings is neurosis. It brings worry. I won\u2019t get what I want. I\u2019ll have to get what I don\u2019t want. That\u2019s what worry is. And because you defined what you want and what you don\u2019t want. You worry that you won\u2019t get what you want and that you\u2019ll get what you don\u2019t want. And worry can become all pervasive, can\u2019t it? It just becomes overwhelming, but that\u2019s why it\u2019s happening. That\u2019s what a spiritual being has done. They\u2019ve cut through this. Instead of just it\u2019s like, I always say, it\u2019s like the hamster on the little wheel in the cage. You put that cute little hamster and he just runs on the wheel. He ain\u2019t going anywhere. He\u2019s really not. It doesn\u2019t matter how hard he tries. He\u2019s not going to reach anything, is he?<\/span><\/p>\n

Well, I want to know what happens like a hamster catching onto that. He said, \u201cWhat am I doing, man? I\u2019m running as fast as I can. The wheel is spinning. I\u2019m trying to get uphill and I can\u2019t.\u201d Well, if he was even a pea brain of a hamster, he\u2019d get off that wheel because it\u2019s not doing him any good to be on the wheel. He may not know what it\u2019s like to be off the wheel, but you reach the point and realize I ain\u2019t getting anywhere being on the wheel. That is what it means to get on a spiritual path. And that\u2019s so true. It gives me shivers to say it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

That analogy is exactly\u2014if you think you know where you\u2019re going on a spiritual path, don\u2019t even bother. What it means to get on a spiritual path is I need to find another way, because this way is not working. Good. It is not about having to come up with some concept in your head of what\u2019s supposed to be or what you want to get, that\u2019s just another spin on the wheel. If you\u2019re just substituting what you want and what you don\u2019t want with another what you want and another what you don\u2019t want, like changing clothes, it doesn\u2019t do anything. It has to be that. I see, I am running on this wheel of \u201cI want and I don\u2019t want,\u201d and I\u2019m not getting any worse. I always have wants and I always have don\u2019t wants, how about you? OK. And as far back as I can remember, I have always had them and it looks like I will always have them.<\/span><\/p>\n

All that changed was what I wanted and what I didn\u2019t want. But the act of the mind telling me what I need in order to be happy and what better not happen, if I\u2019m going to try and stay happy, the topic has changed. The actual process has not changed one iota. And I have just as many wants, if not more, as I\u2019ve always had and just as many not-wants. I\u2019ve never met anyone that didn\u2019t. My parents do my grandparents do. Right. So at what point do you wake up and say, \u201cI\u2019m on this wheel running as fast as I can. And it is taking me nowhere.\u201d There. And what it means to grow spiritually and to enter a true spiritual path is you say, I want off what I know doesn\u2019t work. I don\u2019t know it does work. That would just be your mind making something else. How could you know it works? You\u2019ve been doing this all the time, right? The hamster has no idea what it\u2019s going to be like if he gets off the wheel, he\u2019s never done it.<\/span><\/p>\n

So there\u2019s this willingness to get off of that wheel of want and not want. Not because they\u2019re wrong. Not because it\u2019s renunciation. Not because anything like that, simply because you become wise enough to see this is endless and I\u2019m not happy. It doesn\u2019t bring about great joy and well-being all the time. I still worry all the time. I still, even if I get what I want, I\u2019m afraid of losing it. And if I don\u2019t get what I don\u2019t want, I\u2019m afraid it\u2019ll happen tomorrow. It just doesn\u2019t change. And I\u2019m tired of it. That\u2019s a candidate for spirituality.<\/span><\/p>\n

So what happens when a being becomes spiritual? It\u2019s very subtle first and it\u2019s very difficult. It\u2019ll take a while. You give up on your wants and not-wants. And that\u2019s easy to say, but people have a lot of trouble with that. But I question, why would you have trouble with that? It doesn\u2019t work. Why would it be hard for the hamster to get off that wheel? I mean, talk to him for a minute. Hamster, how long have you been running on the wheel? Forever. My whole life. That\u2019s what I do all day. It\u2019s my thing. I run on the wheel. But where are you going? Going uphill. I\u2019m going to make it up there. I\u2019m on the highway, man. I\u2019m on the highway. I\u2019m getting somewhere. Have you ever gone anywhere? Not yet.<\/span><\/p>\n

So you ask him, why would it be hard to get off the wheel? You\u2019ve been doing this 24\/7 every single day for your entire life and you\u2019ve never gone anywhere. So I don\u2019t understand why it\u2019s hard. I\u2019m not going to call it renunciation. You\u2019re not renouncing anything. You didn\u2019t get any worse. So that\u2019s how a deep, mature, spiritual being gets off the wheel of want and not want. Not because it\u2019s wrong. Not because they\u2019re guilty. Not because they don\u2019t want to go to hell. They want to go to heaven. Not because somebody told them to. Not for any reason in the whole world, except it doesn\u2019t work. Is that right? How long does it take for you to see it doesn\u2019t work? It should take you about 30 seconds. Why? You have all the evidence in the world you will ever need: you. Right? This is how I teach it, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

If I were to have done something every minute of my life, for my entire life, to try and achieve something or get something and I\u2019m still doing it, then it must not work. Why? I\u2019ve tried as hard as I can my entire life. And I\u2019m still doing the exact same thing I\u2019ve always been doing. So there has to be something wrong with this formula. So you look, I have been chasing what I want and running away from what I don\u2019t want my entire life. Day and night, even when I sleep, you worry about it or dream about it. That\u2019s what\u2019s been going on. The fact that you are still doing it means something\u2019s wrong. It doesn\u2019t work. If you work at something, it should work. It should change. It should do something.<\/span><\/p>\n

So net result is you reach the point where you say, \u201cI\u2019m going to be different. I\u2019m going to find another way.\u201d And your other way, whatever way it is\u2014I don\u2019t care. If it\u2019s other than chasing want and not-want, it is a spiritual path. You are exploring the alternative to the ignorance of what everybody else is doing, which is driving themselves crazy, running after what doesn\u2019t get them anything. So the net result is\u2026 What will happen if you do that? But first of all, how do you do that, it\u2019s easy. It says what I want and you laugh. You smile. You treat it like a little child throwing a tantrum. You pat it on the head. I\u2019ve been here before. I\u2019ve seen it. Yes, you have the right to what you want, but I\u2019m going with you.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

And when it says what I don\u2019t want, and I\u2019m so afraid of, and I\u2019m so scared, and I hope it doesn\u2019t happen, and if it ever happened, I would rather die. Right? You give it a drama award. You know, the Emmys are coming up. Oh, you did so well at that. You almost had me involved and you just smile. You just laugh at it. Right? I have listened to you. As long as I\u2019m listening to you, I\u2019m not listening anymore. What will happen if you do that? So amazing. What will happen? You will end up\u2014even just that act\u2014you end up freer than you were before. Why? You, who\u2019s not listening, are somebody you never knew before. You were busy, involved in running after whatever the mind was telling you about what it wants and what it doesn\u2019t want in the name of getting a state of well-being, which it doesn\u2019t bring you.<\/span><\/p>\n

So instead you sit there quietly and relax. The real spiritual path is you relax in the face of what your mind is saying. You don\u2019t try to stop your mind from saying it. You don\u2019t get upset because it\u2019s saying it\u2014you just relax. And what you\u2019ll find is that you are there. And that is what we call witness consciousness. That is a state of spiritual awakening. What is that? That I\u2019m here. Well, where were you before? I was all involved in what the mind was saying. I was all involved in trying to make the world be what my mind said it needed to be, to make me OK. But it never did. So now instead, I\u2019ve decided to just get off. I\u2019m telling you, it\u2019s not a matter of substituting one way of doing it to another way. You must go through the process of \u201cI have no idea. I\u2019m just not doing that because it doesn\u2019t work.\u201d See how easy that is?<\/span><\/p>\n

There\u2019s no decisions to make. There\u2019s nothing. You just relax in the face of it. What will happen? The worst that will happen is it\u2019ll keep saying what it says, and then it\u2019ll stop because nobody\u2019s listening. Then you just relax behind it. And little by little, two things happen. One, it will stop. It will get less and less. Why? Because nobody\u2019s listening. It\u2019s not going to just keep doing it. It\u2019s doing it because it thinks it\u2019s going to get what it wants. Like a child who\u2019s throwing a tantrum all the time. What do they teach you?<\/span><\/p>\n

Sometimes you just leave it alone. You don\u2019t have to talk to him. You don\u2019t have to yell at him. All right? Just ignore him. Can you handle it? You know, he\u2019s making noise, walk away. He\u2019ll stop. Why? Because he\u2019s doing it for a reason. He\u2019s doing it to get what he wants. If he sees it\u2019s not going to get him what he wants, he will stop. It\u2019s the exact same thing with your mind, as the highest way to work with your mind. You just relax behind it, become comfortable and realize, hey, I have this mind. It\u2019s crazy. It has this abundance of wants and not-wants. And it\u2019s thoroughly convinced that if it gets what it wants, ecstasy will happen. I\u2019ll be totally OK. It\u2019ll be like heaven on earth.<\/span><\/p>\n

And if it gets what it doesn\u2019t want, oh my God. It\u2019s like going to hell. It\u2019ll never be any better. The problem is it has said that every day of my life. Right? And it\u2019s like, it\u2019s just not true. It\u2019s not true. When you get what you want, you\u2019re not OK. How do I know? Because you want something else. There\u2019s never been a single time that you got what you wanted and you never wanted anything ever again. Is there? It\u2019s just endless. And the same thing with what you don\u2019t want. You work hard to avoid what you don\u2019t want. How do you feel? Scared that it\u2019ll happen tomorrow or have to avoid the next thing or whatever it is. Once you get in the habit of playing that game, you lose. So instead you relax. When you relax, you will get some distance from the process of mind. You don\u2019t have to fight it. You don\u2019t have to do anything. Just relax.<\/span><\/p>\n

Then little by little, it will stop because nobody\u2019s listening to it. Don\u2019t suppress it. Don\u2019t touch it. Let it be what it is. There\u2019s a piano. There\u2019s a glass. There\u2019s a box of Kleenex. There\u2019s a bird singing. There are crickets cricketing. There\u2019s a mind complaining. There\u2019s a mind giving trouble. And it\u2019s either giving trouble about what I wanted and didn\u2019t get or giving trouble of what I don\u2019t want and I\u2019m afraid is going to happen.<\/span><\/p>\n

Fine. It\u2019s a thing in the universe. It\u2019s not yours. Everybody has one. It just says what it says because it\u2019s programmed to do that. A lot of you have studied psychology. Psychology is very simple and basically says, you have this mind. It\u2019s capable of learning. Very good. What did it learn? What happened to you? Because it learned. It learned what passed before its eyes, didn\u2019t it? And so now it talks about that. It remembers what it was like before. It remembers what made it happy. It remembers what made it sad. And it regurgitates that. I chose that word carefully. It regurgitates that over and over again, saying what it wants and what it doesn\u2019t want. There. That\u2019s all the Yogi or yoga he wants to know about the mind.<\/span><\/p>\n

Just like, well, I want to know about the glasses. It sits there and it holds water. All I want to know about the mind is it sits there and talks about what happened before and talks about what it thinks will make it happy, what it thinks will make it sad, and what to do about it. So you just relax. Then you\u2019re done with the mind. It\u2019s that easy. If you\u2019re willing to do it, it\u2019s that easy. You don\u2019t have to fight with it. You don\u2019t have to do anything. You just relax behind it and let it be what it is.<\/span><\/p>\n

What will happen? One, all of your energy, all of your will, all of your being will no longer get pulled into the process of what the mind is talking about. Why? Because you\u2019re not listening. It\u2019s that simple. Where will all that energy go? Where will all that will all that qi, all that Shakti go? It will remain seated within the seat of self. People don\u2019t know what that means yet. You shouldn\u2019t think about it because the mind can\u2019t know. The self is what watches the mind. The mind can\u2019t watch itself. It is the consciousness that is aware of the mind. By not getting involved in the mind, the consciousness remains seated and centered within its own self. And you start to experience the nature of your own being. And that\u2019s why this is the spiritual path. Didn\u2019t sound like the spiritual path when you were talking about wanting and not wanting and all that stuff, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

It didn\u2019t even sound like the spiritual path when we were talking about what I want is well-being. You do want well-being. What we\u2019re talking about is how to get it. Because every single person is capable of a state of total well-being effortlessly. That\u2019s what I want for you. Effortless, unconditional, unending, constant, eternal well-being. How does that sound? It is absolutely your natural state of being. You have the right to that and you\u2019re capable of that. And you don\u2019t even have to work to get it. You don\u2019t have to lift a finger. It is the essence of your nature of self. So when you stop letting all of your energy, attention, and will get pulled into what the mind is saying, where will your energy, consciousness, and will end up? They will end up staying seated, where they came from, what the Buddhist\u2019s call their source.<\/span><\/p>\n

All things that seem so mystical before become obvious. That is the source of your consciousness. That is the source of your will. When your mind says something, you need to get involved in it and then apply your will to try and make it happen. That\u2019s your will. The mind has no will of its own. It\u2019s your will. That\u2019s getting involved in the mind. Just like this glass has no will of its own. It was my will that picked it up. Wasn\u2019t it? Way back in here, I decided glass, raise thee up. OK. And it went up, but I made it happen. And the same is true with your mind. So if you relax in the face of your mind, people have a lot of trouble with that, but isn\u2019t there a part of the mind I should be listening to? Go ahead, do whatever you want and come back and talk to me when you find out that the answer to that is no. No.<\/span><\/p>\n

Don\u2019t try to pick between different parts of your mind\u2014the parts you like, the parts you don\u2019t like, the part that\u2019s probably right. First learn who you are, relax in the face of whatever it has to say. That\u2019s a very great state. When you\u2019re capable of relaxing in the face of whatever it has to say, you\u2019ll be a totally different being. Therefore, your whole way of living will change and you won\u2019t ask questions like that. What will happen? You will start to be aware that you\u2019re there. That\u2019s what\u2019s going to happen. You\u2019ll start to be aware. You don\u2019t think it. You\u2019re just aware: I\u2019m here. And you will feel this strength, this power, this solidity that you never felt before. Why? Because as you are solidly seated within the seat of self, you\u2019re not all scattered at all the millions of places that the mind could go.<\/span><\/p>\n

So your energy was scattered all over the place as the mind talked about all kinds of different things. Now your energy is centered in one place where it\u2019s source, and that energy is tremendously powerful. Look at how much power got involved in the mind, how much power you assert to get what you want and avoid what you don\u2019t want. All of that power starts to pulsate and drive within you. And it feeds you\u2014tremendous strength. And then you start to feel love, like just a state of total love and well-being. You don\u2019t even understand why, like there\u2019s no reason for it. Nobody did anything. Nobody said anything, yet you\u2019re just feeling high. You\u2019re feeling up. You are now dealing with spirit.<\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s what they mean by spirit. They have different names for it in all the traditions, but they all talk about it. Why? Because it\u2019s really there, right? It is the nature of your being, you\u2019re consciousness your center of being is very, very high, but we don\u2019t sit there. We get all involved in the wants and not-wants of the mind and then we get all involved in trying to manipulate the world to make it match the wants and not-wants of the mind.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Living with the uncertainty and the pressures of our time, many of us are feeling quite stressed and overwhelmed. But does it have to be this way? With his new book, <\/span>Living Untethered<\/span><\/i>, Michael Singer has written a follow up to the classic <\/span>The Untethered Soul<\/span><\/i>, taking us within to our still and liberated center. You can learn more about Michael\u2019s new book at living-untethered.com. That\u2019s living-untethered.com.<\/span><\/p>\n

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MS:<\/b> So again, eventually you reach a point of getting off the wheel. Now you see what it means to get off the wheel. You willingly use your will to remain seated within the center of your being. You start to feel love. You start to feel joy. You start to be enthused when you wake up in the morning. You can\u2019t wait to go to school. You can\u2019t wait to go to work. You can\u2019t wait to do whatever it is that you\u2019re doing. Why? Why would you\u2014those things? Because you feel all this love and you feel all this joy and you want to express it for the same reason that you do the thing that you like the most. Take whatever it is you like the most\u2014vacation, whatever it is\u2014and think about how excited and enthused you get to do that. That\u2019s how it becomes about every single thing you to.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

If you get in your car, it\u2019s fun to start it. And so the Bible means, when it says let us be as little children, every single thing turns you on. You turn the key. It starts. You feel proud. \u201cHey, look what I did.\u201d All right, just the slightest little thing makes your energy rush up inside. You see who you like, makes your energy rush. You see somebody who hates your guts, makes your energy rush. Oh, there\u2019s the person who hates me. Wait, do you see what they say? They say such mean stuff. I wonder what they\u2019ll say this time. And you think it\u2019s exciting. You don\u2019t have to try and not get upset. You don\u2019t get upset. You think it\u2019s adorable. You think it\u2019s just adorable that there\u2019s somebody out there that hates your guts. I mean, there has to be something. Everything has to be out there. Why would it bother you?<\/span><\/p>\n

The only reason you don\u2019t want someone to hate you now is as follows. You don\u2019t want people to hate you. Do you? Why? Because I\u2019m not OK. I already said that I\u2019m trying to be OK. And I\u2019ve defined how things need to be for me to be OK. And people hating me is not on the list. That\u2019s not on the \u201cI want\u201d list and is very high on the \u201cI don\u2019t want\u201d list. So when it starts happening, it hits the \u201cI don\u2019t want\u201d\u2014closes me down. I freak out. So I don\u2019t like it. What if you don\u2019t have a want and not-want list? What if you let go of that? And now you\u2019re feeling this joy and this well-being just to be alive. Just to wake up in the morning is funny. I\u2019m back. It\u2019s still here. And you just giggle. And so then in this world you came back to, there\u2019s all kinds of people, including someone that doesn\u2019t like you. So it doesn\u2019t bother you, because you\u2019re not trying to get anything from this person.<\/span><\/p>\n

What if the person who doesn\u2019t like you tells somebody else everything they say is bad and wrong about you. Oh good. Now there\u2019ll be two people that hate me. What do you care? You\u2019re not trying to get anything from these people. You see the difference? Now I want you to see what I mean by get off the wheel. That\u2019s a serious wheel you\u2019re on, isn\u2019t it? The wheel of caring what everybody thinks about you, the wheel of caring about every single thing that happens, whether you get what you want or what you don\u2019t want, and what somebody says to somebody else, and what somebody\u2019s thinking about you, and whether you said something wrong, or whether you look silly, or whether you had a pimple on your face or<\/span>\u2026<\/span> That\u2019s the wheel.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019d rather be on the hamster wheel, right? That\u2019s the wheel of the psyche. And you\u2019re just running around. You get off of that. Not by changing it, not by fighting it, not by anything\u2014by relaxing in the face of it. And I\u2019m telling you every single time you relax, you are investing spiritually in yourself. Every time you fall behind the mind and remain seated within the seat of self, you have elevated your state of being.<\/span><\/p>\n

If you have to meditate to do that, by all means meditate. If you have to do mantra to do that, so it keeps you centered enough to remember not to do that, then do mantra. If yoga helps you, do yoga. If reading the Bible helps you, read the Bible. If reading the Gita helps you, read the Gita. Whatever it is that helps you remember to do this very simple process, which is: I live in here. My mind is a guest. I don\u2019t have to listen to what it\u2019s got to say.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s never taken me where I want to go. Ever. In fact, somebody says something nice to me, my mind finds some way to ruin it. How about yours? It does, right? Finds some way that they didn\u2019t mean it or I\u2019ll get hurt like last time or how can I be sure that they meant it and maybe they say it to everybody? Oh, I can\u2019t trust, doesn\u2019t anybody else\u2019s mind do that? Just mine? I have the only mind that does that. I don\u2019t believe it. All right.<\/span><\/p>\n

And you would just see, the mind is literally stealing your happiness from you in the name of giving it to you. It is taking it from you. So you relax. You will, over time, start to feel well-being well up from within the state of your being. So that is the start of your spiritual path. The first step in your spiritual path is decide you want to do this, want to do what I forgot already. Get off of that stupid running after what you want and running away from what you don\u2019t want. That\u2019s what it boils down to. Not that it\u2019s wrong. It just doesn\u2019t get you anywhere. So now you decide, what I am going to do all day is relax.<\/span><\/p>\n

I mean, I\u2019ll go to school. I\u2019ll go to work. I\u2019ll get involved when I\u2019m supposed to get involved. The only thing I\u2019m not getting involved in is me. I\u2019m still getting involved in the things that are unfolding around me. Maybe I\u2019ll get married. Maybe I\u2019ll have children. That has nothing to do with it. Nothing. Maybe I\u2019ll run a business. Maybe I\u2019ll go help people. I don\u2019t know. Whatever\u2019s unfolding, I\u2019ll get involved with, but that has nothing to do with me doing it for the purpose of getting what I want and avoiding what I don\u2019t want. That\u2019s the only thing you\u2019re letting go of. You\u2019re not letting go of life. In truth, you\u2019re starting to live life. You\u2019re letting go of the thing that was defining how life was supposed to be, which are the wants and not-wants within your mind. So you do that by relaxing.<\/span><\/p>\n

So the first stage is to wake up and say, I want to do it. Your second stage is start doing it. Most people never, ever would get past the first stage. Most people just, you know\u2014are you crazy? The whole purpose in my life is to get what I want and avoid what I don\u2019t want. Why would I ever give up on that? Doesn\u2019t make any sense. OK, fine. I did the best I could. Right? But some people wake up. Some people say, I see why I would do that. That thing\u2019s nuts. That thing\u2019s done nothing but give me ulcers. And so you decide that I do see it and I want to try another way. I don\u2019t want to be like that hamster my whole life.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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  1. I\u2019ve given you the other way as simple as it can be given. Relax. Relax. All you have to do inside is relax. When the mind says, \u201cI want\u201d and the mind says, \u201cI don\u2019t want\u201d\u2014however it says it\u2014your response is relax. You just relax. At first, it\u2019s very difficult. Because you think you\u2019re giving something up. You think you\u2019ll miss something. It does not take long before you realize, hey, this is nice. I don\u2019t have to do that. I don\u2019t have to run after every single thing it says. I don\u2019t have to run away from everything it says. And you\u2019re going to find out nothing happens. You\u2019re fine. It\u2019s not true. You didn\u2019t jump and run like an idiot because it said something bad was going to happen and you said you\u2019re relaxed. And nothing happened. You don\u2019t understand, 99 percent of the things your mind says are going to happen that are bad don\u2019t happen. But they did make you uptight. They made you uptight. Because it said it, you worried about it. You got anxious and it didn\u2019t happen.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    So what would happen if you just relaxed? Then a whole percentage of the time you\u2019d be fine when you weren\u2019t. And 99 percent of the time, when the mind says, \u201cI want that. I have to have that. I got to get that,\u201d you either really don\u2019t want it once you get it or you\u2019re not going to get it anyways. So you get disappointed, you get resentment, and so on. And instead, you start feeling, what\u2019s that word? Oh, peace. You trade neurosis for peace. Why would I feel peace? Because you\u2019re not running around like a chick with your head cut off inside, getting scared and getting anxious and all that. You just relax. All right. So that\u2019s the second phase of deep spirituality, is you actually do it. You actually let go of your mind. You just let it go. And you\u2019re going to find out you\u2019ll come and talk to me and say, I\u2019m shocked. It\u2019s true.<\/span><\/p>\n

    The vast majority of every single thing the mind says is completely irrelevant. Nothing changed except I\u2019m better off, right? I\u2019m not as anxious as I was. And I\u2019m more at peace and the world still goes about its business exactly like it did. Nothing was changing. My mind was just driving me nuts. All right? Good. Now the third step, relax deeper. Just relax and be aware of what you\u2019re experiencing, where you end up when you\u2019re relaxed. Don\u2019t try. It\u2019s not effort. It\u2019s just experiencing. Just look in front of you right now. What\u2019s in the room. Look, how hard is it to see it? It\u2019s effortless. You see what\u2019s in front of you. That is spirituality. There is no effort here. You relax. And you see what you\u2019re seeing when you\u2019re relaxed.<\/span><\/p>\n

    And at some point I\u2019m telling you what you\u2019re going to see. You see something very beautiful because you are beautiful. You are. Not your mind, not your personality. You\u2014the one who\u2019s in there when you relax\u2014are very beautiful and you will start to experience that beauty. People call it light, people call it love, people call it joy. I don\u2019t care. Spirit, Shakti, qi, any word you want to use, you will start to experience beauty inside because that\u2019s what\u2019s there.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Now you go to the next phase of your journey. Once you start to experience something very beautiful inside, you will realize, that\u2019s what I was looking for. I wanted to have a state of well-being. Here it is. I feel fine. As long as I don\u2019t get involved in what the mind is saying to get what I want, to avoid what I don\u2019t want, I\u2019m happy. I\u2019m fine. And you start to move back into realizing, that is what I was looking for.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

    In the sixties, I used to have an expression: you are what you seek. You are what you seek. Everything you are seeking, love, joy, peace, harmony, strength, all that is actually the nature of your being. So you settle into that. And at that stage, you start to really appreciate and settle into the spiritual life. And the spiritual life is what? Settling into spirit. You settle into the spirit of your being. Now it starts to happen. Now you get into the mystical stuff. All of what the mystics wrote about, all of what most people talk about is spirituality. Because they skip the whole first steps, which are the most important. What happens is, at some point\u2014maybe it takes years\u2014you live in that Shakti flow for long enough and you don\u2019t come out. You go out and do your business in the world, but you\u2019re living off this energy. That\u2019s what\u2019s feeding you.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

    If you meet somebody and you feel love, it\u2019s no different than what you were feeling before you met them. Just a little more. It stimulates the flow of love that you were always feeling. So you enjoy that. You appreciate that. You say thank you. You don\u2019t, like, grab the person, have to own them, because you never had love before. And now, in their presence, you feel love. So you start getting grabby and possessive and needy and all that. That doesn\u2019t happen. You don\u2019t have to not do that. You don\u2019t have to go to a course and learn how not to be needy and grabby. You won\u2019t be needy and grabby. Why? You don\u2019t need anything. Thank you. That\u2019s what you\u2019ll say to the person. Thank you. If they stay, that\u2019s nice. If they don\u2019t, that\u2019s fine. All that\u2019s happening is they\u2019re just stimulating the flow of love that you\u2019re already experiencing inside your own being. It\u2019s fine.<\/span><\/p>\n

    So what happens is you are now completely centered. It\u2019s called being established in the self. That\u2019s the word\u2014not enlightened\u2014established within the self. Do you see that you now are drawn into the center of your being? Why? It\u2019s so beautiful. Over time, your next phase is as follows, you will live there long enough to where you become very detached, very free of the different dance that\u2019s going on in the world around you. You participate. That\u2019s amazing. It sounds so different, what I\u2019m talking about. Every time I say something, I could quote the Bible, that is what\u2019s meant to be <\/span>in<\/span><\/i> the world, but not <\/span>of<\/span><\/i> it. That\u2019s what\u2019s meant by that. You are in the world, but you\u2019re not of it. You are centered within your own being.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

    You are being said\u2014another quote in the Bible talks about this. \u201cMan does not live by bread alone, but by every word that leaveth the mouth of the father.\u201d You go to the state I\u2019m talking about, you know exactly what I was talking about. You used to get your joy and your shot of energy off of what was going on in the world. You were living off of her saying she loved you. You were living off you got the raise. You were living off that you got the job. You were living off the fact you\u2019re feeding, where the food\u2019s coming from outside. Now all of a sudden the food\u2019s coming from inside. It\u2019s just spontaneous. The same food, except it\u2019s just welling up inside constantly. That\u2019s what\u2019s meant by that. \u201cMan does not live by bread alone, but by every word that leaveth the mouth of the father.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

    So the end result is now, what happens? You live long enough in that flow of energy, you become detached enough, removed enough, free enough of the changes and the ever-changing and dance of the world. They are not affecting your flow of energy. And at some point\u2014I don\u2019t care how long it takes. Without your mind there, just be intuitive within your own being. You are going to wonder where this energy comes from. You\u2019ve been being fed with all this love, all this strength, from where? I\u2019m feeling these rushes of energy, I\u2019m feeling all this beauty. Where is it coming from? And what you will do is lean back a little further and you will feel it coming in behind you. Literally like you would feel water flowing behind you when you\u2019re standing in a spring or the ocean, you can tell what direction it\u2019s coming from.<\/span><\/p>\n

    It comes behind you. You feel it flowing. You will feel this flowing in behind you, pushing on you. Over time, you will learn the source of where it\u2019s coming from is to lean into where it\u2019s coming from. If you feel a spring pushing in your back and you want to know where the spring\u2019s coming from, keep leaning back into the direction the water\u2019s flowing from. You start to lean back into this Shakti. It\u2019s just rest. Just rest. Same as you got out of your mind, now you go beyond being established within the individual self. Within what we call the atman, within the witness. You lean back. You will feel the energy gets stronger and stronger as you lean back into it. There\u2019s no thinking. There\u2019s no mind. There\u2019s no concepts. There\u2019s no views. It\u2019s just an intuitive, energetic thing. And as you lean back into it, it expands and you start realizing all that was happening is, all this energy was coming to a focal point, which was me.<\/span><\/p>\n

    My consciousness was settling down to a focal point, and then I was looking out into the mind and the world from that focal point. As I lean back, I am transcending that focal point. I\u2019m leaning back into the spread, the broad energy, before it focused. Now you\u2019re starting to get into what the mystics talked about. Because they call it expanded consciousness. I don\u2019t like calling that. What it is: non-limited consciousness. It is the consciousness before it got focused down and it keeps broadening out and you just keep leaning back into it. And ultimately, the great masters\u2014now you understand the master. Anything that anybody can ever do, including Tiddlywinks, somebody\u2019s better than somebody else. There\u2019s somebody who\u2019s better at catching a football\u2014Jerry Rice. There\u2019s people that are better at things, at whatever thing you want to name, there\u2019s somebody\u2019s best at it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

    And it\u2019s the same thing with this leaning away from your center of consciousness, from that point of consciousness, leaning back into the energy. Somebody did it better. Well, somebody did it best. The people who do it best, we call masters. He\u2019s a master at chess. He\u2019s a master at golf. We even call the tournament, the Tournament of Masters, OK? Masters Tournament. That is what you\u2019re dealing with when you deal with the great masters, with the great Yogis, those who went the furthest back into that energy and the beauty of that, and this is how you should read and study that. You should look at the lives of these great beings. Just like if you want to play an instrument, then learn about Beethoven. You know, learn about the great master. We call them masters of art. Don\u2019t we? We call them the great master composers. I love it. Right?<\/span><\/p>\n

    So there are masters in this and every master, everyone who leaned back to explore the source of all this energy said the same thing. Every one. They said, I leaned back far enough. And at first I was an individual who was aware that I was free and that I\u2019m not the mind, that I\u2019m not the body. We already talked about that. You\u2019re now seated in witness consciousness. Then I leaned back. I leaned back and I found myself in this water, in this ocean, I was no longer watching the mind. I was no longer human. It was just me bathing in this ocean of light. Wow. That\u2019s called <\/span>savikalpa samadhi.<\/span><\/i> That\u2019s one of the great samadhi states where you have lost your sense of humanness. You were watching a human, now you\u2019re not watching a human anymore. You\u2019re still you. But it was you watching the mind, watching the body, watching through the eyes. Now you\u2019re not doing that anymore.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Now it\u2019s you falling into the source of all this Shakti and the source of all this light. And you feel yourself bathing in that. But even that state, the great ones write of that and then they write that that was not deep enough. It was still me bathing in this ocean of energy. Where was the energy coming from? I want to know the source and they leaned back even further. And the really great ones lost all sense of the duality of the individual self and the ocean of life. That\u2019s still two things. It\u2019s me experiencing these waves of light, of energy, of God, right? When you lean back far enough, Meher Baba said, \u201cIt\u2019s like a drop of water falling from an eye dropped into the ocean. Find it, go on. Find that drop of water. Once it hits the water, you\u2019ll never ever find it again where it merged.\u201d And that\u2019s yoga. What yoga means is <\/span>merger<\/span><\/i>. That is what that word translates, out of Sanskrit, into: union, merger, oneness.<\/span><\/p>\n

    So when you fall far enough back, you have let go of your need to be separate. So now it\u2019s not you experiencing the energy, just the energy. And that\u2019s what Christ meant when he said my father and I are one. That\u2019s what all the masters, the great ones, came back and said, right? That they merged with God. They merged with that energy. Let\u2019s not call it God yet. They merged with what energy? The energy they were feeling pouring in. What did they experience? Yogananda, in his chapter \u201cMy Experience in Cosmic Consciousness,\u201d said when he fell back and lost himself, he experienced himself as the entire universe. He could feel the galaxies inside his being. His whole being was expanding out at the speed of light and all of it was his body. And that\u2019s the great teaching: that the energy that you experience inside, the energy, who you are is Einstein\u2019s energy.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Einstein died trying to prove a unified field where there was just one field of energy that was the cause of gravity, of radiation, of light, of everything. There\u2019s just one, right? What the great yogic masters and Christ found is that the field of energy inside of you is exactly the same as the field outside. Once you let go of your individual self and fall back behind, the whole universe is manifesting out of your consciousness, all the same being. So now we went from where we live, caught in our minds, everyday life, to complete enlightenment\u2014and that\u2019s what enlightenment is\u2014to complete enlightenment and realization, in a continuum of relaxing away from whatever you were experiencing. Do you see that? All it took was for consciousness to be willing to let go of what it was attached to at that moment. Because if it doesn\u2019t let go, it will stay attached to it.<\/span><\/p>\n

    So first, let go of like and dislike. Not because they\u2019re wrong, it\u2019s not renunciation. It\u2019s not like, OK, I\u2019ve let go of everything. I don\u2019t like anything. And I don\u2019t like, no, give me a break. It is not about suppressing and renouncing and not-doing and doing all that stuff, taking vows. And because it\u2019s not about that, it\u2019s about relaxing. Not fighting. There\u2019s no fighting in this. It\u2019s relaxing. I call it relaxing and releasing. It\u2019s just, go on vacation, go on vacation from being you for a while. It\u2019s the only true vacation by the way, because wherever you go, you take you with you. So you relax away from yourself constantly. It\u2019s your job, every moment of your life. And then, when you start to feel Shakti and joy, relax beyond that. Don\u2019t ever stop. Don\u2019t ever stop until there\u2019s not an individual self left to relax, right? You let go so much that it just merged with the whole universe.<\/span><\/p>\n

    So that is the spiritual path. That\u2019s very beautiful. And you do it right here at the other side of it. That\u2019s very fascinating. The great ones say that if somebody had reached that state, truly you wouldn\u2019t know it, you just, they might be driving a bus. They say the Buddha is driving a bus. Hear me. There\u2019s no reason for you to be different than anybody else. It doesn\u2019t change the outside. You still have a life. Why would you not have a life? There was a purpose for creation. You were made for a reason, but you weren\u2019t made to be neurotic. There\u2019s a role for you to play in life. It will unfold. You will play it. If you are a fully enlightened being, your role would still go on. The great master Yogananda was fully enlightened.<\/span><\/p>\n

    When you read the state, when he actually writes or talks about the state he was in, it\u2019s incomprehensible, what this man was experiencing while they walked around teaching at Carnegie Hall and doing all kinds of things. But he said it wasn\u2019t there. He was literally merged in the universe while the words were coming out of his mouth teaching, standing room only at Carnegie Hall in the twenties. So you just realize, don\u2019t sweat it. Just let go. It will all unfold. And you get to have peace.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

    I\u2019ll end with Christ. Christ said, \u201cMy burden is light to me.\u201d Now you understand. Your burden is light, because there is no burden, because you found what you were looking for within yourself. You let go. So this is your path, whatever degree you wish to try it, live with it. I hope it\u2019s full. Use every minute of your life to let go of whatever\u2019s trying to make you not let go and see what happens.<\/span><\/p>\n

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