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Tami Simon:<\/b> Welcome to <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i> produced by Sounds True. My name\u2019s Tami Simon. I\u2019m the founder of Sounds True. I\u2019d love to take a moment to introduce you to the new Sounds True Foundation. The Sounds True Foundation is dedicated to creating a wiser and kinder world by making transformation education widely available. We want everyone to have access to transformational tools such as mindfulness, emotional awareness, and self-compassion, regardless of financial, social, or physical challenges. The Sounds True Foundation is a nonprofit dedicated to providing these transformational tools to communities in need, including at-risk youth, prisoners, veterans, and those in developing countries. If you\u2019d like to learn more or feel inspired to become a supporter, please visit SoundsTrueFoundation.org.<\/span><\/p>\n

In this episode of <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>, my guest is Shannon Kaiser. Shannon is the bestselling author of five books on the psychology of happiness and fulfillment. As a life coach, international speaker, and retreat leader, she helps people align with their true selves so that we can achieve our highest potential. She\u2019s been named among the \u201c100 Women to Watch in Wellness\u201d by mindbodygreen. With Sounds True, Shannon is releasing a new book, <\/span>Return to You: 11 Spiritual Lessons for Unshakable Inner Peace<\/span><\/i>, and also a new card deck, <\/span>Unshakable Inner Peace Oracle Cards,<\/span><\/i> that include images, oracular sayings, and questions we can work with in meditation. In this conversation with Shannon, she pulls not one, but two oracle cards, helps us understand their meaning and how to apply them in our life. But most importantly, we talk about how we can learn from contrast and find clarity in contrast so that we can have an embrace of all the parts of us that don\u2019t feel at peace, along with anchoring in a deep inner light and a discovery of what is unshakable inner peace. Is it even possible? Here\u2019s a very brave conversation with Shannon Kaiser.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shannon, it\u2019s great to be with you and to be talking about your new book Return to You. Welcome.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Shannon Kaiser:<\/b> Thank you. It\u2019s so good to be here with you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>You start the book off in a curious way by talking about a full-on anxiety attack that you had. Even though at the point that you were starting the writing of this book, you were already a successful spiritual teacher and writer. I wonder if you can start us there. Were you surprised? \u201cI thought I was beyond this. I mean, what\u2019s happening?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>It\u2019s so interesting, because I think we get into this work and we do this spirituality; but when we open up to our spiritual awakening, we often think, \u201cI should be past this.\u201d For me personally, I was on book tour for my last book, which is all about joy, seeking happiness. I came back to the hotel one night after one of the speaking events, and it was this overwhelming, debilitating panic attack. I didn\u2019t realize at first, until I broke out into a cold sweat and I started hyperventilating. I was like, \u201cOh my gosh, this is a panic attack.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

My ego was going crazy. It was full on manifestation of my mind saying, \u201cWho do you think you are to be in joy to teach people about this? The world is in suffering.\u201d It was just this catastrophic head space of \u201cYou\u2019re not doing enough. And you\u2019re never going to be able to make this last.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/b> I asked myself, \u201cWhy, anxiety? Why now?\u201d This was in 2019 in the fall. My mind was saying this is all going to go away. I went inward, and I really felt this panic. I said, \u201cI got to call the doctor.\u201d As I was dialing my doctor\u2014now I do believe there\u2019s very good times where our doctors can help. They\u2019ve helped me in my life in the past, but this time was different. This time, it was like a force field came over me and literally stopped me from completing the call. It\u2019s my inner voice, my higher power. It felt like angels, the universal source, God, saying, \u201cYou can\u2019t fix an internal spiritual situation with an outside physical solution. This is a path of an inner journey you\u2019re on.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

For the next several months, I went on this inner journey to really understand what true peace is. We can\u2019t really know peace if we don\u2019t know the opposite. That was the path I was on. I was suffering through anxiety. I really started to learn what inner peace really is. Through the tools, through my spiritual practice.<\/span><\/p>\n

Flash forward to 2020. March 2020, the world fell into a huge catastrophic pandemic. I was scheduled to go on a large speaking tour. All of a sudden, within days, every single thing fell through the cracks, if you will, for my career. My ego jumped at the chance to say, \u201cLook, everything really is going away.\u201d I caught myself in that very moment and said, \u201cNo, absolutely not. I know how to be in peace. I know how to navigate this.\u201d That\u2019s kind of what birthed the book, that six-month period.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>When you mentioned a force field came over you as you were picking up the phone to call your doctor, I thought that was really interesting. Tell me more what that felt like, and then how you knew you were supposed to put the phone down.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yeah, I feel we often have these guidances that come to us, synchronicities. For me, this moment was the most loving presence I could ever imagine. I had only felt it to this degree one other time in my life, back in 2009, when I was in a different career. I was suffering from anxiety then, but also my doctor diagnosed me with clinical depression in 2009. At that time, there was an energy that came over me and said, \u201cShannon, follow your heart.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Flash forward eight years ahead, a few years ago now, eight years, I was having anxiety after teaching people well about happiness. But it felt like a loving presence. To me, I talk about it in the book. It\u2019s your higher self. It\u2019s source energy. It\u2019s the benevolent energy of love that is available to us at all times. I think it\u2019s waiting for us. It wants us to reach out, but a lot of times we\u2019re so in our head and stuck in the humanness, and our thinking, overthinking, that we can\u2019t access it. So, I tapped into it, and it basically stepped in to help save my life.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>In the book, you talk about different spiritual lessons that you want to highlight on this journey of returning to you. One of them, lesson three, is, \u201cIf you don\u2019t go within, you go without.\u201d And you\u2019re pointing to how we all have this opportunity, instead of looking outside of ourselves\u2014especially when we\u2019re having a challenge, when we often look outside ourselves for answers\u2014we can go inwards. And you talk about how there are different intuitive styles. I\u2019m thinking of this right now, because you mentioned how you heard a voice. I think some of us have that experience of hearing a voice. And other people are like, \u201cI\u2019ve never heard a voice in my life, but other things have happened to me.\u201d So, talk about these different intuitive styles that you\u2019ve identified and how we can come to identify our own intuitive style.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. I found that listening to our intuition is one of the most important processes that we can do. And that\u2019s what this process does, to help you develop your own intuitive gift. You nailed it. That\u2019s what I share. Everybody\u2019s intuition talks to them in a different way. I do hear\u2014and I am an audio learner, that is, clairaudient, which is an intuitive way. It taps into your true sense that is heightened for you. And they call them the clairs. [\u2026] If you\u2019re listening and you\u2019re thinking, \u201cWhat\u2019s my intuitive sense?\u201d I like to just ask the question\u2014when you watch a movie, what do you say after? As you\u2019re watching the movie, you\u2019re enjoying it. But when you tell a friend about it, how do you report that experience to someone? Or do you think about, \u201cWow, this soundtrack was so good\u201d? And maybe your music library is loaded with really good music soundtracks or you\u2019re playing the song in your head. Or do you think, \u201cWow, the visuals, the cinematography, the art direction, the outfits they were wearing.\u201d Do you kind of remember that the most? Or do you remember the storyline and the experience of what the characters went through? All of these are clues to how our intuition will talk to us.<\/span><\/p>\n

If you pay attention to\u2014and I talk through this deeper in the book\u2014but if you pay attention to maybe the music, you are an audio learner, but clairaudient is going to be your intuition-heightened sense. Of course, I feel we do have a little bit of all of them. But the more you understand which one is yours, the more you can work with it. And if you see the beautiful outfits, then that\u2019s clair[voyant]. You see, and you see in your mind\u2019s eye. Maybe visions come to you. Maybe you see pictures and that\u2019s your intuition giving you guidance, but also your higher self, your angels, your guides, all of that coming in. I go through deeper [in the book]. There\u2019s also a clair where you just have a knowing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s a fun way to kind of look at the world, but also get more in touch with who you really are and the knowing that is available. I call it our innate wisdom.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>That\u2019s the claircognizant. Then there was one final clair you mentioned, and I just want to offer it to our listeners, clairsentient, a feeling sense. How would I know if I was watching a movie, if I was a clairsentient type?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. The clairsentient is if you have the emotions during the movie perhaps, you think about the emotional experience. You\u2019re sharing it with a friend and maybe you cried at the end, and that\u2019s kind of, \u201cIt was so good.\u201d And you talk about the experiences you had from an emotional standpoint.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Then the claircognizant person in terms of the movie, just to build this out.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. The claircognizant is the knowing. It\u2019s the knowing. Of all the intuitions, this is the one that is the most dismissed. I also have some of this one too, because you just have a knowing. So all of them will overlap in the movie, if this is yours. But the knowing is another way to know is if you\u2019re watching a movie and you share it with a friend. It\u2019s so good. You just kind of report that they have to see it. \u201cJust trust me on it.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Okay. Let\u2019s talk to that person, Shannon, who says, \u201cI suffer from anxiety. Maybe not full-blown anxiety attacks, but I have a kind of low-grade anxiety in my life. I\u2019ve been looking outside for solutions, trying to look inside. I don\u2019t know if I have any of these clear capacities in me. They\u2019re certainly not very developed.\u201d How can you help someone in that situation who\u2019s not quite sure how to work with their anxiety?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yeah. I feel we\u2019re living in a time now where anxiety is pumped up. And you even look at the statistics. Anxiety is happening full blown across the globe. And anxiety often happens when we have a fear of the future, or a fear of the unknown. As you know, we\u2019ve been living in this time right now where that\u2019s just amplified. I even start the book with this quote by Stephen Richards, where I say, \u201cOur level of love or our level of fear determines the state of our reality.\u201d I think if we just set into that for a moment, we can see where we\u2019re living our life from. If we\u2019re choosing fear more, even at an unconscious level, because we want to feel protected. We\u2019re trying to protect those around us. We\u2019re wanting safety. Fear is in the driver\u2019s seat, then our anxiety is most often going to be ramped up. And what we can do just to start, is be aware of where we\u2019re looking. And even Ram Dass talks a lot about where are you making your choices from?<\/span><\/p>\n

If we\u2019re making our choices from love, there is more peace available to us. There\u2019s more peace in the moment, and we start practicing more mindfulness. That\u2019s actually one of the very first things I did, is I realized I was making a lot of choices at that moment because was stepping into, and this is even pre-COVID culture. I was making a lot of choices from a place of fear. \u201cWhat\u2019s going to happen if I don\u2019t do this?\u201d A fear of the unknown and trying to protect the future. I shifted into a foundation of love, making my choices from a place of expansiveness, connected to my inner heart, my light. How you know is, are you in your head or your heart? The head is usually the overthinker, the analyzer, the kind of fear-based part of us. Our heart is the one that has that knowing, that gentleness. It\u2019s available to us all at any time. But we just start tweaking our daily routine from shifting from fear into love.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Okay. Let me ask you a question about that Shannon, that might be a little challenging. But sometimes when I hear people talk about shifting from fear into love, I think, \u201cBut the fear\u2019s real.\u201d It\u2019s there. And we don\u2019t want to bypass it in any way. We don\u2019t want to be inauthentic about our experience and brainwash ourselves into a love state when we\u2019re actually afraid. We\u2019re afraid of the uncertainties in the world. We\u2019re afraid of climate change. You teach a practice called alchemizing fear. So how do we alchemize it, so that we\u2019re not bypassing it?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes, yes. I truly believe that when we look at our fear, go straight into it, we can start to recognize that it is not here to hurt us. It\u2019s here to protect us. I have a quote that I share in the start of the process, which is, \u201cAnxiety is not here to limit us, but free us from a life that no longer aligns.\u201d When we start to\u2014when I say shift, it\u2019s about realizing the things we are going through are not here to harm us, but actually help us step forward. When we kind of adopt and take on that mindset, we can shift into the alchemizing process.<\/span><\/p>\n

There\u2019s a whole process that alchemizing fear is about recognizing again, your fear is here for a reason, because it\u2019s showing you what is most important to you. Where we are putting our point of attraction if we\u2019re focusing from that place of fear, it\u2019s OK. And what you want to do is step into\u2014if you think about a tornado, it\u2019s very destructive, and it\u2019s going very fast, and it\u2019s kind of like this turbulent energy. But in the center, the very center of that tornado, everything is happening outside of itself. This alchemizing fear process is where you literally\u2014and I\u2019ll take you through part of it right now (there\u2019s the full meditation of course in the book). As we step forward, you imagine this fear. And pinpoint, what is the fear? \u201cI\u2019m going to lose everything.\u201d And that was the fear that started my anxiety process. Is it a fear that the world\u2019s going to end? There are so many fears right now.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

You identify, and then you step into it and identify\u2014\u201cWhere does that live in my body? Where do you start to feel that energy?\u201d Of course, you can imagine white light coming in, golden white light as you do this process, because you know you are safe. But then you step straight into the tornado, if you will.<\/span><\/p>\n

The tornado is just the energy of fear. It\u2019s just the worries. It\u2019s just the concerns. It\u2019s the anxiety, but you are standing straight in the middle of it. As you do this, you place your hands on your heart and you repeat, \u201cI am safe, I am secure.\u201d It\u2019s a process. As we do this, we start to dismantle and bring in that energy as it slowly slows down, as it goes around us. And as it goes around us, you can start to continue to know that you are safe, and you are secure, and you\u2019re connected to the love that you are in this moment. And what you will start to see, the more you do this process, is that that energy, just the way the storm settles, it just kind of falls down and just ends and closes down.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Let me ask you a further question about this, Shannon, because, as I\u2019m listening to you, I think the step of stepping right into the center of the tornado could be quite anxiety-provoking for someone if they didn\u2019t have good anchoring in this feeling of being safe. What increases the anchoring and safety for us?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>It\u2019s this awareness and the knowing that we are connected to everyone, of course, but also this energy of love. And that\u2019s really what the process is of unshakable inner peace. It\u2019s knowing that peace is available to you by connecting to the love, the higher power, the signs, and synchronicities we see. Often, whether you call them spirit guides or your higher self\u2014I like to call it your innate wisdom\u2014your innate self is guiding you. So, what you know is you want to feel better. What you know is you truly want to live from a place of love. It\u2019s not like any of us really enjoy hanging out in fear. You\u2019re giving yourself permission to step into what might feel scary but knowing that you\u2019re protected. In that protection you have all the courage in the world. Because our true protection comes from love, light, source, God. Whatever you identify with, it\u2019s this benevolent love energy. That is what gives you the oomph, if you will, to kind of move forward.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>How can you help listeners amplify, make bigger that sense of feeling in our hearts and connected with love? I mean, it may sound simplistic as I\u2019m saying it, but you mentioned many of us are up in our heads and we\u2019re conjuring up all of these possibilities of this and that could go wrong. And now we\u2019re stepping into the center of the tornado, but we need to be anchored in this feeling of love. I\u2019m thinking to myself, \u201cWell, how do we turn that up inside?\u201d How do you do that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>This is beautiful because this is the daily practice. I do believe that practice is so important for us. And the practice looks different for every single person. It really does come back to what works for you. Some people will amplify the love that is available to them through different modalities, like oracle cards, or journaling, or just meditating each morning. For me, it\u2019s a mantra. It\u2019s a simple mantra such as \u201cI am safe. I am protected.\u201d I often will lean on tools like <\/span>A<\/span><\/i> Course in Miracles<\/span><\/i>. That\u2019s something that helped me through my anxiety. Interesting enough, I was led to it when I was kind of having this one day\u2014there was this doomsday scrolling episode. I was just going through all the ways the world\u2019s going to end. My anxiety was so overbearing. I logged off of social media feeling plummeted with my energy, and I was exhausted. Of course, I was like, \u201cOh my gosh. There\u2019s no hope. There\u2019s no hope.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Interesting enough, my inner guide kicked in and I heard the voice\u2014because clairaudient is how my intuition talks to me and my guides\u2014and said, \u201cGo to your bookshelf.\u201d I walked over to my bookshelf, and my eyes went straight to the big, blue book <\/span>A Course in Miracles<\/span><\/i>. I opened the book. The passage I opened was, \u201cI can choose to see peace instead of this.\u201d Simple, it was highlighted. Just in repeating that, I started to feel a sense of peace come over me. It was like a warm bath just bathing me of good energy. So that became my mantra moving forward when I started to look out into the world.<\/span><\/p>\n

What\u2019s happening is the outside world is going to keep being chaotic. When we\u2019re looking out there, it will pull our energy. It will keep us stuck in fear. It will keep us in exhaustion. It\u2019s the inner world. So, you have mantras such as \u201cI can choose peace instead of this\u201d; it bridges that. It brings you back to what is real, the moment, and the light within you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>When you say something like \u201cI am safe, I am protected,\u201d and you feel that, do you ever hear another voice inside of you that says, \u201cNo, you\u2019re not, blah, blah, blah\u201d? If so, how do you work with that other voice that\u2019s contradicting the mantra you\u2019re saying?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes, exactly. I do this in my life coaching practice with people because this is part of being human. I talk about in the book as well. The lesson number one is we live in a school called planet Earth. That means that we are living in contrast almost all the time. Even the Dao teaching talks about in Buddha and Ram Dass, lots of the spiritual teachers talk about to really know something, you must know the opposite. I trusted that I was having these panic attacks and anxiety because, well, what is the opposite? Inner peace. I could not truly know inner peace if I was living in that opposite.<\/span><\/p>\n

A lot of times this voice will come in as a contrasting kind of tool if you will. But really what it is, is our ego. If we\u2019ve been living our life from this place of our mind and ego for so long, the ego\u2019s role is protection. It wants to protect you and prepare you. It\u2019s going to say, \u201cNo, you\u2019re not.\u201d Because if it lets its guard down and then something happens to you\u2014[this is] another way to kind of recognize our ego is there to protect us. It would not be doing its job. If we can kind of take a step back or I like to say step out, almost like a bird\u2019s eye view. And you just kind of look at it and realize\u2014where\u2019s the voice coming from? Is it coming from your head or your heart? We don\u2019t have to dismiss it. I am not one to spiritual bypass or dismiss at all. You allow it to be there. I was able to move through and heal my anxiety, and enter into peace, and fully write the book, of course, by allowing both to exist\u2014but just knowing where I want to live from versus listen. The fear\u2019s going to be there, but you don\u2019t have to listen to it. Instead, you can listen to the loving voice that comes from your heart or your inner self if you will.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>You mentioned this first lesson that you offer in <\/span>Return to You<\/span><\/i>: \u201cWe are in a school called planet Earth.\u201d I wonder how having that orientation that our life is like being in a school, how has that changed the way you look at things, particularly challenging situations?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>It has been one of the most important lessons for me in really understanding that I truly believe we\u2019re here on planet Earth, all of us\u2014this is a master school of spiritual evolution, if you will. Every soul that is here and everybody is on this process of learning more about love as we enter into this world that is a lot of times very unloving. It\u2019s about how to navigate through that to return to the truth, which is really the love that is available to us. And that\u2019s really what <\/span>Return to You <\/span><\/i>is all about. It\u2019s about removing yourself from the things that are kind of piled on top of you, that aren\u2019t really aligned.<\/span><\/p>\n

From this place of \u201cwe are in a school called planet Earth,\u201d it helped me through my anxiety. It\u2019s helped me through my practice. It\u2019s one of these ideas that whatever you\u2019re going through right now, you just ask yourself if maybe you\u2019re struggling or you\u2019re in a very difficult situation, you just pause for a moment. You can either meditate on it or journal on it or just ask yourself, \u201cWhat is the opposite of this?\u201d to really know that you are on your way to learning what the opposite may be. And it\u2019s a path. We are all in the journey together. The Chinese proverb is \u201cThe journey is the reward.\u201d We think we need to be happy all the time or the state of peace. It\u2019s not about being Zen. It\u2019s not that at all. The contrast is what really brings us clarity. And we can start to look at it as a process to help us live a richer and more rewarding life.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Now help me understand this notion that it\u2019s the contrast that brings clarity.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Because I could just say, \u201cLook, there are these two voices inside of me that are battling it out. Where\u2019s the clarity?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. Yes. And that\u2019s it. When we\u2019re in it, it is so hard. It\u2019s kind of like when you\u2019re in a storm and fog, you can\u2019t really see your way through it. But when you get through it to the other side, you have so much clarity. That\u2019s what I mean. When we\u2019re deep in the contrast, it\u2019s often a chance, and the universe is giving us an opportunity to know what we don\u2019t want. I\u2019m smiling because it\u2019s interesting. Because when we kind of apply this, a lot of times we\u2019re living through what we don\u2019t want. We\u2019ve heard before, where you focus your energy\u2014your energy goes where intention goes. Where you\u2019re putting your energy is often going to manifest the outcome. If we\u2019re getting a lot of what we don\u2019t want, a lot of the times it\u2019s because we\u2019re focusing so much on it. We want to shift back into, \u201cWell, what is it I do want?\u201d In the lesson \u201cWe live in a school called planet Earth\u201d I talk about how if you\u2019re not really liking the lesson that you\u2019re living\u2014and that\u2019s what I did for myself. I\u2019m like, \u201cI don\u2019t want to live in anxiety for the rest of my life. This is not what I signed up for.\u201d I like saying \u201cwhat I signed up for\u201d because it takes us from kind of a victim consciousness of \u201cthe world\u2019s happening to me, I have no control\u201d to creator consciousness of \u201cI am going to create the story. I am in charge of my life to a degree. I\u2019m going to do the parts I can at least right now.\u201d And it\u2019s getting you back into the activation mindset.<\/span><\/p>\n

From there we start to shift. I think that\u2019s a good first kind of process to recognize that the clarity comes through realizing you\u2019re not as helpless or offtrack.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>I wonder if you could give me a specific example of a contrasting situation you found yourself in recently and how it brought clarity.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>It\u2019s interesting, because for me personally, as I was writing the book, there\u2019s this process where obviously I think a lot of us are living through times where there\u2019s a lot of contention, even with people in our family, with beliefs and ideas, and we\u2019re starting to kind of pull away from some people or see people in a different light. There was this time as I was writing the book, where there was a lot of contention within the family. Politics were happening. I had friends who voted for one person. I and the family voted a different way. It was so interesting because that was extreme contrast. I remember I was on a text chain during the 2020 election. Very contentious time in America. I\u2019m not very into politics, but this was an important time because it showed contrast so fully in front of me. I was on a text chain with both. We had kind of the right and left, if you will. What I noticed is both were coming at it from a place of they\u2019re right and the other is wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n

I saw this as contrast because both of them felt, in that way, that both groups thought they were right and the other was wrong. In this experience, they were pushing against each other. There was a side conversation I was having with my brother. It was getting a little bit heated. He stopped and he said, \u201cShannon, my love for you is far greater than any disagreement or any belief we ever have.\u201d In that moment, I realized that we were in such a conflict and contrast, but love can prevail and reach over. I\u2019ve used that many times since then. I\u2019ve identified that truly the contrast was happening so it could give me clarity that there is another choice here. I can choose love, or I can keep festering in the fact that they don\u2019t agree. That\u2019s not really the place any of us want to be.<\/span><\/p>\n

We take a step again. Step one, you take a moment to recognize, what is the contrast here? \u201cWell, this was a disagreement. This was a belief that my way is right, your way is wrong.\u201d Step two is to take the bird\u2019s eye view. Just take a step back and look. Look outside of yourself. Step three is choose love. What would love do in the situation or what would a more compassionate version of me do? There you have just an example of how we can move forward with more compassion for everyone right now.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Shannon, let me ask you a question that I think is part of our conversation right here already. That person who experiences a contrast between that inner sense of confidence and light and connection with source, and then a whole lot of fear and unsettledness and distress and concern about the time we\u2019re living in, and how it\u2019s affecting lots of people in the world and how they feel that so that they see this contrast in their own experience, how could they work with it to find some kind of clarity?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>This is important, because I feel a lot of us are actually going through this right now. We are living in some such a time of duality. But also, we\u2019re shifting into what is called the age of Aquarius or I like to call it the age of intuition. The reason I bring that up is because our intuition is actually the strongest superpower that we have right now. That\u2019s why getting in touch with that inner voice\u2014and I think I\u2019m seeing this in my coaching practice, and with friends and family. Ask yourself, \u201cHas my intuition been kind of giving me more nudges lately?\u201d There\u2019s been kind of this surge of inner energy.<\/span><\/p>\n

How we can realize we\u2019re moving forward is by listening to that intuition and then actually honoring it. We\u2019ve been living in kind of a time in a world where we ignore it. I know I did for many years, and that caused clinical depression, and eating disorders, and even drug addictions because I was ignoring my true innate self and my inner wisdom that said, \u201cYou don\u2019t want to be living your life in this way.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

It really is about getting in touch with yourself and recognizing that it\u2019s okay. I think what happens is we tend to tell ourselves that we should be further along, or we should have this figured out, or \u201cI\u2019m spiritual and it should look a different way.\u201d But all of that is what our fear is telling us in the inner voice, that you\u2019re not good enough. What we have to recognize is we\u2019re all right where we need to be. None of us are broken. We\u2019re doing the best we can. From that place, you start to bring in more love. It is about self-love, and it is about knowing that you\u2019re showing up each day the best you can. That in itself is the true power forward.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Interestingly, I don\u2019t know if I\u2019ve ever heard anyone refer to the age of Aquarius as the age of intuition.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

You mentioned that you feel this surge of energy in you moving you forward right here at this time. Can you tell me more about that, what that feels like and what you feel it\u2019s asking of you?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. I talk about this too in the book, that our purpose is personal expansion. I truly, this is one of the lessons that I think all of us are recognizing right now. I have a lot of people that will come to me and want to do and understand \u201cWhat is my life purpose?\u201d And when I first left advertising, I was like, \u201cWhat is my life purpose?\u201d We tend to think it\u2019s a career. We tend to think it\u2019s the things we do. The positions we hold in society, or \u201cI\u2019m a mom,\u201d or \u201cI\u2019m a brother.\u201d It\u2019s these focuses. But none of that is truly who your purpose or what your purpose is. We are here to expand and grow. When you adopt that mindset, you start to open up and almost shift into more exciting opportunities, but also recognize that you have gifts and skills that are available to you.<\/span><\/p>\n

For me, I am a creator. I realized part of my anxiety, interesting enough\u2014before I started writing this book I had left advertising; I was a graphic designer and art director. I hadn\u2019t created for several years. During these moments of me having the panic attacks before I started to kind of put the tools into practice, I was in meditation one day. My inner voice again said, \u201cYou need to create. You\u2019re not creating.\u201d I sat down and I started to get back into digital collaging. I started making these little designs. Lo and behold, it turned into these many pictures. I printed them out, and it was my own Oracle deck. It was <\/span>Unshakable Inner Peace<\/span><\/i>. My inner voice and meditation said, \u201cYou need to turn this into an oracle deck for people.\u201d I\u2019m so glad that deck, <\/span>Unshakable Inner Peace, <\/span><\/i>is out in the world with you, Sounds True.<\/span><\/p>\n

The process, what I\u2019m sharing here, is the creator in me moved me forward. I truly believe all of us have these aspects. Now you might be thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not a creator,\u201d but I truly believe we all are creators as human beings. We pop out babies. We are creators. Creating doesn\u2019t necessarily have to be writing a book or designing something. It\u2019s how are you creating your day to align to who you truly are? How are you creating each moment to be more loving and compassionate and having beautiful conversations with another person? Being present, showing up for your community. These are always, we create powerful and aligned days.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>I think it\u2019s our moment Shannon to pull a card from the <\/span>Unshakable Inner Peace Oracle Deck<\/span><\/i>. Go ahead, pull a card and tell us what it says.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>OK, I will shuffle. The card that comes to me, the one I opened up. Wonderful. I\u2019m laughing because it\u2019s number 19. It\u2019s this woman who is being flooded by the light. If you go back to where we were in the alchemizing fear, meditation, this is exactly the card that aligns to that. She has so much golden white light around her, and the actual beautiful message is: \u201cEliminate distractions. Stop shining light on things you are not.\u201d There\u2019s always a question at the bottom. And it says, \u201cHow can you reclaim your personal power?<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m not going to open up the booklet right now, but there is a booklet that goes with this. This card is all about the reason right now that you\u2019re feeling stressed, overwhelmed, maybe worried, is because you\u2019re focusing on things that are pulling at your attention. It\u2019s time to return into the light that is available to you within. Stop giving your attention to the things that are making you feel bad. And as it says, \u201cStop shining light on things you\u2019re not. Return to you and reclaim your power.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Let me ask you a question. I\u2019m just going to go for it. This sense of being bathed in inner light, how do you experience that? From the inside out, from the outside in, both, all of your cells vibrating with light\u2014what\u2019s your experience?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>All of that. Yeah. I love that. In fact, it comes differently at different times. Again, I feel we are all on our own journey and it\u2019s important to identify what feels good. But for me, I often will imagine a white, almost a golden ball, a sun over you, like a sun, a golden ball of rays, above you. As it pours into you, kind of from the top of your head\u2014we can all do this right now together. Close your eyes if you wish. Imagine every cell within your body activating, lighting up, coming alive, full force in its optimal power to help you be optimal in your experience as you move forward. As you do this, you can even shine this out. Your whole body becomes activated and white lights pours out of you. And you can send that out to anyone you wish. I like to and often will send it out to every single person on the planet. I will wrap the whole planet in white, golden light. This is a powerful meditation we can do at any time to help us kind of get out of the process of feeling stuck right now. There you go. You feel that.<\/span><\/p>\n

This is actually one of the steps that I think is the most important for us is to turn your frustration and turn your resistance into assistance. This is one of the most important processes that helped me with my anxiety.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Tell me what you mean turn your resistance into assistance.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>For a while I was so hopeless, and I was having my panic attacks. For example, I live just outside of Portland, Oregon. There were wildfires here, and this is a very wet climate. We don\u2019t really get that ever. I\u2019ve lived here for many years. When we were having wildfires, the sky was blood orange. We had the worst air quality in the world for several days in a row. It was very traumatic. I had friends that were displaced from their homes, others that lost their homes. You can imagine that that\u2019s going to ensue panic for some. For me, I was starting to feel panicked. I was walking around my house pacing, and I realized that this panic is not serving anyone, this hopelessness. Instead, what can I do?<\/span><\/p>\n

I was resisting what was happening. OK. \u201cThere\u2019re wildfires. Do I have control over that? No, I really don\u2019t.\u201d So, I realized I was resisting and kind of thinking that life should look a different way, but here\u2019s what life\u2019s giving us. I needed to stop resisting it. So then I said, \u201cHow can I help?\u201d And immediately I felt lighter in my body. I started to go into an activation mindset. I walked around my house. I started to grab toiletries that hadn\u2019t been used. I put care packages together. I started a fundraiser to help for those homes. It\u2019s one of those things where you become an active participant, to be solution-focused instead of festering in the problem. That is truly\u2014even today with what we\u2019re seeing in the world\u2014this activation mindset is one of the number one tools that kept me in a state of calm and peace.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>OK. I want to ask you another\u2014I\u2019m so happy Shannon, that you don\u2019t mind my questions that\u2014<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>I love them.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>\u2014seem challenging, that you\u2019re fine with it. I really appreciate that. Not everyone rolls so well. But this whole notion of <\/span>Unshakable Inner Peace<\/span><\/i>. Part of me is like, \u201cCome on. Is that aspirational? I get that we get to visit a type of unshakable inner peace, but do we really get to live there? I mean, really? Humans like us?\u201d It\u2019s a phrase that\u2019s obviously very important to you. How do you see it?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. Unshakeable inner peace is the path forward. I love that you\u2019re asking these questions because I think it\u2019s very important, because it\u2019s so important. Because a lot of us are living in a space of saying, \u201cYeah, is that even possible?\u201d When I say unshakeable inner peace, it\u2019s not about living Zen, like Buddha all the time, every single moment of the day. It\u2019s about being aware that you can connect to the light that is available to you at any moment of the day. That light is this benevolent force of loving energy that is available to us, creative source energy, God, higher power, goddess\u2014whatever you identify with, it\u2019s something bigger than yourself. As you tap into that, you realize it is within you because you\u2019re created from it.<\/span><\/p>\n

To give you an example, here I am teaching this work. I\u2019ve been doing this for over a decade now. I have been teaching people how to be happy and find joy for about years. Then the anxiety hit. And it hit so hard that I was having panic attacks. But it led me to a deeper awareness of self and my teaching. It led to this book, and the card deck, and all of these things.<\/span><\/p>\n

What I have learned on my journey is it\u2019s not about expectations or thinking that life needs to look a certain way. It really is about showing up as fully as you can in each moment, not from a place of \u201cI have to try,\u201d but \u201cI just have to be.\u201d So, unshakeable inner peace is possible.<\/span><\/p>\n

What was interesting for me, as I was writing this book, I was practicing the tools. But I actually was starting to get migraines. I was diagnosed with chronic migraines, complex migraines. They kind of represent stroke symptoms. I didn\u2019t know it at the time. I went to the emergency room, and they told me, they said, \u201cWe think you\u2019re having a stroke.\u201d I knew in my heart perhaps I wasn\u2019t, but I thought, \u201cWow, I\u2019m here.\u201d And that is definitely not going to bring you peace, but I practiced. They said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to keep you overnight. We\u2019re going to run some tests.\u201d It wasn\u2019t until the next morning when they said, \u201cYou have complex migraines.\u201d Interesting enough throughout that whole inner kind of 24-hour period of being in the emergency room, I practiced the tools that are available to us. What that means is, I recognized in my mind, I said, \u201cOkay, we\u2019re in a school called planet Earth.\u201d So, here I am on a bed. Not sure if I am having a stroke, but \u201cyou realize what is it available to us?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

I went to lesson number four in my mind, and I said, \u201cFaith is freedom from fear.\u201d What does that mean? For me, it means that there is something bigger that is at play here. I\u2019m going to put all my trust into the faith that I\u2019m exactly where I need to be right now. There is no mistake. I\u2019m not going to lean into fear because that\u2019s not going to help the energy. If I start to go to panic, then that\u2019s going to block me from the possibility of moving through this in a more graceful way. And faith helped me truly. I got the lesson available to me. I think that\u2019s available to all of us.<\/span><\/p>\n

Unshakable inner peace is something available to us at all the time when we stop thinking, it needs to look like Buddha under the tree. It looks like showing up in your life the best you can.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>When you say you got the lesson that you think was needed, what was that lesson?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. It\u2019s interesting, because this for me\u2014I truly believe that everyone is on their own journey and our souls truly have seasons. I was resisting again in life the lesson for me. I talk about this in the book. We can\u2019t control the world outside of us, but we can control what happens inside of us. Part of what put me into the emergency room in the hospital was my anxious mindset of \u201cthe world is so hateful and there\u2019s so much contention, and I don\u2019t understand why people are fighting.\u201d It was eating me alive. It put me into a place where I felt like the universe and God were saying, \u201cPause. You don\u2019t have to worry about all of that out there. Focus on what you can do today.\u201d And that\u2019s what really led to me really writing the book. It was a turning point for me. I call them pivotal moments. I think we all have pivotal moments in our life where there\u2019s kind of an awakening that happens. I am thankful for going into the emergency room, believe it or not.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Do you feel free now of complex migraines? Is it still happening? Is it not happening?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes, it\u2019s a diagnosis for me. And there\u2019s a lot of different reasons they happen. I have a plan now. I was having them at least three to five days a week for six weeks. I would wake up one morning and I couldn\u2019t see. One day the whole left side of my body was numb. It was interesting, because these things are very terrifying. I was like, \u201cI\u2019m only 40 years old. I\u2019m not sure what\u2019s happening.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: \u201c<\/b>I\u2019m writing a book on unshakable inner peace while I\u2019m suffering from complex migraines.\u201d That seems like a lot.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes. It\u2019s interesting, because as I went deeper into the process in learning about what complex migraines are, at that time they had diagnosed it because of stress. I realized, \u201cWell, I\u2019m not stressed with my work. I love what I do. It doesn\u2019t feel like I work. I\u2019m not stressed with my clients. I\u2019m stressed with the world out there. It is so catastrophic.\u201d We\u2019re always going through something when we\u2019re in this pandemic. I had to grasp control of that.<\/span><\/p>\n

I still suffer from migraines, but now it\u2019s physical. There\u2019s a lot of things happening, whether it\u2019s hormones, even when the weather changes. We\u2019re working together with the doctor to diagnose when they happen. But I have a plan. When they happen, I have these emergency pills that help it. I have gone to maybe two a month now. That\u2019s it. Maybe one a month, actually over the past couple months.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Right. But, Shannon, I want to understand this a little more clearly, because I think many people right now, with the war in the Ukraine and with so many things that are happening that feel that we don\u2019t have direct control, even if we\u2019re activated inside, even if we\u2019re doing our part, there\u2019s a sense of tremendous not-feeling-at-peace with what\u2019s happening. So, help us, what you\u2019ve learned from your process about finding that peace inside when there\u2019s so much war, destruction, and suffering outside.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>It\u2019s exactly true. It\u2019s interesting, because that was eating me alive. I kind of started to return to the tools. As I went deeper into it, I recognized that we have more power than we\u2019ve been giving ourselves credit for. Again, you\u2019re looking outside. As long as we\u2019re looking out there, it\u2019s going to keep being crazy.<\/span><\/p>\n

What it means is returning back to inside of you, because that\u2019s where our true world is. We have to start on the inside. And for me, it really did look like \u201cWhat am I resisting? But also, what can I accept that I haven\u2019t been?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Even the serenity prayer\u2014I went through a 12-step meeting several years ago\u2014”God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.\u201d These are the things that helped me [\u2026]. But it really does come back to understanding why we\u2019re here. I think a lot of us kind of just wake up, and go through the day, and just try to make it through the day. This is kind of a surviving mode.<\/span><\/p>\n

I believe we are here to thrive. We truly are, even in the world\u2019s condition. So, when we start to take steps forward into \u201cHow can I be the best version of me today and what does that look like?\u201d For me, it\u2019s more loving. For me, it\u2019s \u201cHow can I be more compassionate towards those I don\u2019t understand?\u201d It\u2019s not about going out and just being a hustler and all that. That\u2019s not where I\u2019m getting at. It\u2019s about just being more aware of how you make a difference and choosing compassion and love in each moment.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>All right. Let\u2019s pick another <\/span>Unshakable Inner Peace Oracle<\/span><\/i> card.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Excellent. We get double. This is really good. This is one of my favorites. You can\u2019t see the picture, but card number three, for anyone who has the deck. It\u2019s a beautiful woman who is standing on what almost represents the Sedona Red Rocks or Utah Mohave Desert. She\u2019s standing on the edge of a cliff, looking out, and in front of her is what looks to be at least 100 different doors and windows. There\u2019s a huge skylight above. I\u2019m sharing this image because it is very full of possibilities, of opportunities, and expansive energy. She\u2019s in a stance of wonder. It says, \u201cYou cannot make a mistake. There are infinite possibilities available to you. Where is your heart guiding you?\u201d Beautiful.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>OK, Shannon. I\u2019ll just speak personally here for a moment and see what you have to say. I\u2019m someone who\u2019s both guided by my heart, but I have a pretty active mind, skeptical mind, questioning mind, searching mind. What would you say is helpful in terms of having our heart be in the lead instead of our mind being in the lead?<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Yes, I feel like you\u2019re my soul sister here, because I tend to overthink as well. But I think what this is, is the philosophical side of us, the passionate side of us. The one that loves to learn. The part of us that just really wants to understand life. When we look at it in that way, it\u2019s actually very exciting, because we can see that it\u2019s not harming us. It\u2019s not hurting us. I like to know about things that I didn\u2019t know before. I often say let\u2019s commit to unlearning the things we\u2019ve learned and be open-minded. And that brings us to our heart\u2014being open-minded also being open-hearted. When you start to take that idea and living from your heart forward\u2014now, I will balance. I don\u2019t think we should all be running around only living from our heart. It\u2019s not about leaving your head and the fear behind. It\u2019s about bringing them together in a balanced state from this place. We really start to feel more grace. We start to feel more joy. We start to feel more peace. Does that help?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>It does. I wonder, can we end with a meditation? A meditation for, in this moment, feeling unshakable inner peace together.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>I would love that. Yeah. In fact, I will pull one of my favorite meditations from the actual process in the book. It\u2019s a prayer for peace: \u201cI detach from anything that seeks to separate, anything that says \u2018us versus them,\u2019 anything that says \u2018my way or the highway,\u2019 anything that seeks to destroy, condemn, shame, or blame. Instead, I choose unity. I choose kindness. I choose compassion, and I choose love, for I am love.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Very beautiful. I\u2019ve been speaking with Shannon Kaiser. She\u2019s the author of a new book with Sounds True, <\/span>Return to You: Spiritual Lessons for Unshakable Inner Peace<\/span><\/i>. She\u2019s also created a new <\/span>Unshakable Inner Peace Oracle Deck<\/span><\/i>. Shannon, thank you so much. Thank you so much for your generosity of spirit. Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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SK: <\/b>Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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