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Tami Simon:<\/b> Welcome to <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>, produced by Sounds True. My name\u2019s Tami Simon, I\u2019m the founder of Sounds True. And I\u2019d love to take a moment to introduce you to the Sounds True Foundation. The goal of the Sounds True Foundation is to provide access and eliminate financial barriers to transformational education and resources, such as teachings and trainings on mindfulness, emotional awareness, and self-compassion. If you\u2019d like to learn more and join with us in our efforts, please visit SoundTrueFoundation.org.<\/span><\/p>\n

In this episode of <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>, my guest is Kimberly Ann Johnson. Kimberly is a sexological bodyworker, a somatic experiencing practitioner, a yoga teacher, doula, postpartum advocate, and a single mom. She helps women heal from birth injuries, gynecological surgeries, and sexual boundary violations. She\u2019s the author of the book, <\/span>Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It for Good<\/span><\/i>, as well as the early mothering classic, <\/span>The Fourth Trimester<\/span><\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n

With Sounds True, Kimberly Johnson has created a new audio learning series, it\u2019s called <\/span>Reclaiming the Feminine: Embodied Sexuality as Spiritual Practice<\/span><\/i>. Kimberly makes talking about our sexual urges and topics like female erectile tissue and the arc of female arousal feel like normal and illuminating conversation, which it is. She\u2019s a courageous spokesperson for women centering our own pleasures and needs and the journey many of us need to make to work through shame and prioritizing other people and not ourselves. Here\u2019s a brave space conversation with Kimberly Ann Johnson.<\/span><\/p>\n

It sounds, Kimberly, like you went through a major life change when you gave birth to your daughter, and this was 14 and a half or so years ago. In the new series, <\/span>Reclaiming the Feminine<\/span><\/i>, you say, \u201cMotherhood cracked me open and showed me the absence of both the feminine and the sexual in spiritual practice that I hadn\u2019t known to that point.\u201d So I wanted to start with, how did giving birth change you and your view of the spiritual journey?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Kimberly Ann Johnson:<\/b> When I gave birth, about a half an hour after I gave birth, my mom came into the room. And I looked at her and I was like, \u201cThis is all a lie. This whole idea that we\u2019re equals, this whole idea that I can do anything that a man can do and I can do it better. This whole idea that it doesn\u2019t matter, my gender doesn\u2019t matter, my sexuality doesn\u2019t matter\u2014I feel like I\u2019m living on another planet.\u201d And going through the experience of giving birth just cracked open all of these philosophies that I didn\u2019t even know that I had. I didn\u2019t even know that I had that programming. It just showed me the programming. Because after I was holding my daughter in my arms and she was starting to learn how to nurse, I just thought, this is a radically different experience.<\/span><\/p>\n

None of the practices that I learned before that seemed to apply in that moment. So it felt like a total rebirth for myself as well.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> When you think of what was missing, like what was missing to prepare you for that moment, what was that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> I wish that I would\u2019ve sat more circles with other women. I wish that I would\u2019ve sat and told stories as a part of my spiritual practice. My spiritual practice was a lot about, \u201cGet out of your own stories, those are just \u2018stories,\u2019 don\u2019t pay attention to them.\u201d I wish that my spiritual practice would\u2019ve included more personal and interpersonal relating. And I think if I was sitting in intergenerational circles with women of all ages, I would\u2019ve heard them talking about birth and I would\u2019ve heard them talking about their postpartum experiences. And I would\u2019ve heard them talking about menopause or the grief that they felt of having children and maybe wishing they didn\u2019t or not having children and wishing they did, but all of the different experiences.<\/span><\/p>\n

That was never a part of the ten-year incubation meditation yoga practice that I did. It was, keep your stories out of this, keep your woman-ness out of this, because that\u2019s a deficit. It\u2019s a deficit to be in a female body. Sure, use your feet a little farther apart in a posture. If you have your period, go ahead and miss a day or two, but don\u2019t bring that in here, that\u2019s just too much. Don\u2019t bring your emotions in here either, just try to mitigate those as much as you can so we can get back to this other thing that we\u2019re doing.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, the work that you do now came out of this realization, devoting yourself to reclaiming the feminine. And you have an unusual career. People, I\u2019m sure, are somewhat familiar with what it might mean to be a doula, to be a postpartum advocate, even to be a trauma healer. But in addition, you are a sexological bodyworker. What\u2019s that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> A sexological bodyworker is a practitioner that includes genitals in treatment. In the state of California, we\u2019re licensed to touch genitals. Usually, only doctors can do that, acupuncturists can do it, physical therapists can do it, but obviously, massage therapists can\u2019t do it, doulas can\u2019t do it. So when I myself was healing from birth, I was treated by a sexological bodyworker, and that\u2019s when most of the healing happened. That\u2019s when my scar tissue started to dissolve and I wasn\u2019t in pain in my pelvis anymore. It\u2019s when my lower back and my SI joint gelled back together, it\u2019s when the central line of my abdomen, which had separated, started to gel back together during the sessions.<\/span><\/p>\n

All of a sudden, it was light bulb after light bulb, after light bulb of\u2026 I was trained as a structural integration practitioner, also known as Rolfing. I\u2019d worked in every part of the territory of the body, including mouths and noses, and the only things that I hadn\u2019t touched were vaginas and anuses. And of course that\u2019s because in almost every one of these fields that we\u2019ve talked about in yoga, we talked about the pelvic floor because that\u2019s gender neutral, but we never talked about vaginas and anuses and cervixes and how that might play into practice energy, overall health physiology.<\/span><\/p>\n

So in sexological bodywork, it doesn\u2019t mean in my session work that I always touch genitals, but it means that I can include that. And it tends to be one of the most powerful places to work because it is so untouched. I like what Gil Hedley calls genitals, because genitals seems so clinical, he calls them <\/span>pars intima<\/span><\/i>. And so I can attend to those things as part of the whole person. And especially when it comes to birth and gynecological surgeries and sexual boundary ruptures, that\u2019s oftentimes the territory that needs witnessing and attention.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Just to hear your own story, how did sexological bodywork help you with your healing? What actually happened?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Well, I had almost all of the symptoms that you could have postpartum, which is unfortunate and a bit shocking. I had fecal incontinence, which means when you poop without knowing you\u2019re pooping. I had cervical and uterine prolapse, which means your organs are dropped down below their optimal positioning, I had lower back pain. I had never had chronic pain, I was getting up and down off the floor by walking my hands up my legs so that I could stand up and get back down. I had other symptoms, like I didn\u2019t have enough breast milk to feed my daughter, that were really related to all of these pelvic symptoms I had. I had hemorrhoids.<\/span><\/p>\n

So with sexological bodywork, I was able to heal all of those things, and also somatic experiencing together with sexological bodywork.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, as I\u2019m reflecting on this, I\u2019ve never had a sexological bodywork session, and I\u2019m thinking, well, the person could have this very clean intent. The intent is my healing process, not their own sexual satisfaction or pleasure. And so that\u2019s how we\u2019ll make sure we have good boundaries together. But what happens in the training that ensures that the bodyworker has good and respectful boundaries.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Great question. Number one, our code of ethics is that as a practitioner, if I\u2019m the practitioner right now, we were talking about when I received the work. When I\u2019m giving the work, I\u2019m always clothed and I always have gloves on. So it\u2019s one-way touch, we\u2019re never exchanging touch. It\u2019s only I\u2019m, as a practitioner, wearing clothes and have gloves on. That\u2019s a superficial layer of boundaries, because we all know this is a very complex area. We do a lot of our own unshaming work, because a lot of boundary crossing comes out of shaming and feeling shame, and because shame is the shroud that sexuality lives under in most cultures.<\/span><\/p>\n

Actually, in sexological bodywork training, there\u2019s a very little vulva work because there is more of an emphasis on addressing each part. So we have a day just with anuses, we have a day just with penises, we have a day just with vulvas. And a lot of what we\u2019re doing is setting the context for how to have this be a reparative session. I don\u2019t often give sessions unless I know my client knows how to say no, for instance. And if somebody\u2019s not saying no with their words, but their body is saying no, I don\u2019t proceed. Just because someone comes to me and wants something from the session doesn\u2019t mean that\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m reading their nervous system the whole time to really understand what\u2019s happening and help them become a good translator of that. In the training, there\u2019s just a lot of experiences and experiments in all different kinds of ways of how to express boundaries. We use Betty Martin\u2019s Wheel of Consent, which is a fantastic tool. And we work The Wheel of Consent a lot. So it\u2019s not just like, oh yes, we learn it. We actually practice it every day with each other.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Can you share with me what that is? I\u2019m not familiar with that.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Yes. Betty Martin\u2019s Wheel of Consent is a framework for parsing out how we relate and touch each other. There\u2019s four quadrants. So if I\u2019m the doer, usually we think of that as giving, and the person who\u2019s being done to is the receiver. Hopefully I\u2019m giving you what you want, and as a receiver, you\u2019re receiving what you want. But all of the time we get in really bizarre dynamics where we think we\u2019re giving the person what they want, but they don\u2019t actually want what we\u2019re giving, but they think it\u2019s what we want to be giving, so they\u2019re accepting it kind of thing.<\/span><\/p>\n

So we really clarify those things. The receiver asks the giver for what they want and keeps clarifying if that\u2019s actually what they\u2019re giving. So for instance, if you were the receiver and you wanted me to\u2026 You couldn\u2019t just say, \u201cI want a back massage.\u201d You\u2019d have to say, \u201cKimberly, I\u2019d like you to squeeze my shoulders and use your full palm and hold for about three seconds and then let go.\u201d So I would say, \u201cOK.\u201d And I would start that if that was OK with me. And then as I do it, I would say, \u201cHow\u2019s that? Is that what you had in mind?\u201d And you\u2019d say, \u201cWell, you\u2019re not really squeezing my shoulders, I feel more your fingers.\u201d And we would go about refining that.<\/span><\/p>\n

It sounds really simple, it\u2019s one of us profound things that you can do when touch is involved, because we get up really in our head about what we think we should want and what is OK to ask for. Are we even allowed to ask for this? The person\u2019s already giving it to us. So is it really OK to keep asking for more and keep specifying what we want? So that\u2019s one of the dynamics. The other dynamic is taking and allowing. Now, \u201ctake\u201d is a word that has all kinds of connotations in English, and each of these roles has a shadow side to it. The shadow side of taking is what we see, is perpetration, is taking without asking, is taking advantage.<\/span><\/p>\n

But taking is about touching for your own pleasure. So you as the taker, you\u2019re the doing, but you\u2019re asking the person if you can use them for your own pleasure. And of course, they\u2019re agreeing or not. This is a Wheel of Consent, so they can say, \u201cNo, you can\u2019t touch me that way. I don\u2019t want that.\u201d And then you would have to say, \u201cOK. What\u2019s the touch that I want that\u2019s for me?\u201d And I\u2019m not thinking about if you are going to like it or not, I\u2019m thinking about what is satisfying to me. So we start with ourselves. We actually start with objects, and you start just feeling an object.<\/span><\/p>\n

And as you feel that object, there\u2019s with the sensitivity in your fingertips where it starts to not become the thing like the pen or the stuffed animal or whatever it is you\u2019re holding, and you start to just feel the sensory reception. And then from there, we practice, how do you touch yourself? How would you touch your own skin and your own body for your own pleasure? And then you practice with someone else. So you really parse out these dynamics that become implicit and unconscious.<\/span><\/p>\n

And most of us live in one of these quadrants most of the time where we feel most comfortable. Most healers feel most comfortable in giving because you don\u2019t have to be that vulnerable in the giving. And so I feel like full satisfaction, not just in sex but in life, comes when we can traverse these domains and we really are able to feel that whole nervous system range within these dynamics of giving, receiving, doing, and being done to.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, you mentioned the importance of doing our own unshaming work, and I think that\u2019s important. You mentioned in the profession of being a sexological bodyworker. But all of us, I think, and especially in approaching a series like <\/span>Reclaiming the Feminine: Embodied Sexuality as Spiritual Practice<\/span><\/i>\u2014doing unshaming work is part of the journey. Can you talk some about that? What is that work and how do we do it?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Yes. Oh, shame. Shame is that thing that\u2019s sometimes invisible and sometimes just feels like a heavy blanket that sits on you that causes you to turn away from yourself or turn away from someone else. And the thing that makes us feel unlovable, the thing that makes us like there\u2019s something that if this thing were to be revealed, somehow we wouldn\u2019t be deserving of connection or love. There\u2019s so many ways to go about it with our sexuality. I could give a lot of examples, and I do in the audio program. I think just coming into the body itself and recognizing, especially as women, that our body is not an obstacle to being more spiritual, because a lot of people have that like, \u201cIf I\u2019m more spiritual, I\u2019m less sexual or if I\u2019m more sexual, I\u2019m less spiritual.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019ll tell you one thing that happened for me that really, really, really surprised me. In my sexological bodywork training, in my little cohort, the other women in my cohort, and there\u2019s all different genders in the training, but I happen to have a couple of women and a couple of nonbinary folks in my cohort, and they were all sex workers. So I was the only person in that little group that didn\u2019t have a sex work history. So that in and of itself brought me up against a lot of internalized prejudice that I didn\u2019t even know that I had, a lot of assumptions, a lot of associations.<\/span><\/p>\n

Like street work, basically prostitution, I think my assumptions were that people were really down-and-out if they were doing sex work, that they weren\u2019t educated, that they didn\u2019t have any other choices, and so that\u2019s what they were doing. And actually, in the case of the group that I was in, two of them were moms and one of them had been a performer and then she decided to switch to sex work. So they had done it fairly consciously. Well, one day I came onto our call and they were in the middle of something. And they were talking about\u2026 kind of shop talk.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I\u2019m a survivor of sexual assault. And they were talking about staged sexual assaults in their practice and how that\u2019s what people wanted. And I just had a complete freeze response and I started to shake and I just felt completely disoriented. They all understood and they said, \u201cOh my God, we\u2019re so sorry. We\u2019re talking as if you\u2019re like a part of this world and you\u2019re not, and you don\u2019t know about this.\u201d And so we were able to really talk about it. The next day, I went to my office, and I had three clients. The first client was a man I\u2019d been seeing for four months weekly, and that day he chose to tell me that his first sexual experience was with a sex worker because he was 25 and he was still a virgin and he didn\u2019t know how to get connection, and so that\u2019s what he chose to do.<\/span><\/p>\n

The next two clients, who were both females, told that they had done escort work. And so for me, there was a direct correlation between taking the shame off of what that meant and people being able to bring their full self into the session room with me. And I think how that relates to someone listening who might not have anything to do with these worlds, is that when we face some of these schisms that are in ourselves or some of the places that feel their shame, we\u2019re available for more, we\u2019re available to both receive someone else, but also offer ourselves in a different way.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> What I hear you saying, too, is that your judgment was actually an obstacle to your own openness. That\u2019s part of what I heard and what you were saying as well.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Definitely. And I think my judgment was related to fear and was related to\u2026 A training like sexological bodywork is confronting every single day. The day I walked into class and my teachers who were friends, and were a man and a woman, were naked in front of the class, I just felt like I was a four-year-old, like, oh my God, the teachers are naked. I can\u2019t believe this. Where am I supposed to look? What am I supposed to do? There\u2019s so many ways that they are creating experiences of unshaming in real time that, yes, a lot of the judgment was ways that my system was trying to keep me feeling separate and maybe better also, like, well, I\u2019m better than that or I\u2019m different than that.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so when I saw these women were people in my cohort, they were people that I already liked, they were people that I already had a connection to, and that was a part of them, it was really powerful.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> I want to just address the listener right now, who might have some level of feeling uncomfortable. And I\u2019ll say confessionally that I noticed I had some level, at different points, of feeling uncomfortable engaging with the whole audio series and some of the descriptions of entering our own sexuality and touching places where maybe it could be shame or it could be feeling somewhat shut down or not as open and liberated as we\u2019d like to be. What could you say to that person right now so that they can engage in our conversation with the most genuineness and get the most out of it?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> I would say that if you\u2019re feeling uncomfortable right now, it would be totally usual and normal, because this is the world that I sit in, so I have a bit of fluency with the words that I\u2019m saying and how we\u2019re talking about it, but it\u2019s not a usual conversation. The foundation of all of this, of everything that I teach is lovingkindness. I call myself a devotee to reality, a devotee to actually what is, so a lot of clients that I work with wish that they were multiorgasmic, or maybe they just wish that they could even go on a date, let alone\u2026 Just any relationality feels threatening. We have to start where we are. And I think listening to a conversation like this already is part of moving forward out of unshaming and recognizing what makes us uncomfortable.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I think we have the idea that being sexually open means being available to anything all the time, and this conversation could be a part of that. I don\u2019t see it that way. I see it as an honoring of our true capacity, an honoring of all of the parts of ourselves that contribute to being a human. And unfortunately, the sexual apart either gets hyperemphasized and is out there, out front where you can\u2019t even perceive some of the other things sometimes, or it gets hidden so that it\u2019s separate from everything else. So I think it\u2019s a path that is lifelong. There\u2019s no destination because we\u2019re growing, changing, aging.<\/span><\/p>\n

And all of those things, the people that we partner with, where we\u2019re at in our professional life, our personal life, all of those things influence how we arrive to this moment, to listening. Most people that I know feel that there\u2019s more ability to them sexually then they\u2019re able to access, and they feel a little bit of grief about that because it\u2019s like there\u2019s this place sexually that either, maybe they\u2019ve touched a couple of times and couldn\u2019t get back to, or they just know it. It\u2019s like a treasure chest, but they don\u2019t quite have the key to it.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so if someone listening might feel that way, it\u2019s just an encouragement to take a baby step in that direction. I don\u2019t have any idea at all that there\u2019s only one way to have healthy sexuality or that looks some way, it\u2019s going to be so individual for each person.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, you mentioned that many, many people have some sense that there\u2019s greater depth or actualization or pleasure that\u2019s available to them. And in the series, you talk about how a large portion of the people who come to you are women who want to want more sex. And I thought this was really interesting. First of all, why do the women who are coming want to want more sex? Is it because they\u2019re in heterosexual relationships and they think, I\u2019ve got to please my partner in order to keep him happy and keep him? Is it just a cultural pressure like, you should be having sex three times a week. That\u2019s what this report says? Or, you\u2019re not even having sex once a week? So I\u2019m curious what you think of this as a pattern.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Yes. I think both of those are reasons. And I also think that there\u2019s pressure now coming from everywhere. It\u2019s like the doctor tells you should have orgasms, it\u2019s good for your health. All of the crew that\u2019s about conscious relating is telling you that you have to have a certain amount of sex because sex is really the real thing and that\u2019s the real thing that creates juice in life and the real thing that creates relationship. I think there\u2019s pressure coming from all directions on female pleasure. And the wanting to want it, though, also is because there tends to be these times when there\u2019s a big opening or closing.<\/span><\/p>\n

For many women, after they give birth, their sexuality is radically different. And so the wanting to want it, I think, is genuine internally of like, I used to be this person and I knew how it worked maybe, and now I\u2019m this other person, and I don\u2019t even have a language to describe how I feel or what I might want. And then there\u2019s the external pressure of\u2014there\u2019s all these kinds of things that people say, \u201cmaintenance sex,\u201d which is what doctors say\u2014you should just have sex once a week just like you maintain a car, type of thing. I don\u2019t recommend that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> That\u2019s right. Keep the oil flowing.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Right. So there\u2019s all these mechanical suggestions. And all of it really boils down to an absence of vocabulary to be able to describe shifts and changes, and that our sexuality, like any other part of ourselves, like our spirituality\u2014I know there are some people, I know a couple of them, who\u2019ve had the same spiritual practice for their entire life and that\u2019s OK for them. Like a stronger yoga, that\u2019s the only thing they ever want to do. But most people go through shifts and changes with how they worship and where they worship and the teachers that they go to. Our sexuality is similar; it evolves over time.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

We have a lot of negative impressions like, oh, it only gets worse or you just get older and your biology shifts in a way that\u2019s unfavorable to your sexuality, which that\u2019s not true either. But the ebbs and flows of what we might be available for\u2014let\u2019s just take the fact that we\u2019re coming out of a two-year pandemic where a lot of us have had helplessness, immobility, tremendous loss, a lot of insecurity. I would imagine that that really affects people\u2019s availability for sexuality and the sex that they might want to have. So it\u2019s this pressure to want more.<\/span><\/p>\n

I think what I was also talking about was that I\u2019m never going to help somebody want to want more. I\u2019m only going to help them find out what they genuinely want.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Which is my next question. How do you help people figure out, OK, let\u2019s get everyone\u2014the doctors, the partner, the culture\u2014quiet. I\u2019m going to figure out what\u2019s my truth. How do you help people know what\u2019s actually their genuine sexual desire or longing?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> So many ways. And I think that there are multiple, I don\u2019t think there\u2019s just one longing, I think we have all kinds of longings to drop into it. I have worked with a lot, a lot, a lot of mothers. And so what that really comes down to is, it\u2019s very hard to get your children out of your consciousness and your partner\u2019s needs out of your consciousness. So just returning to me, and also spiritually, this was a huge obstacle for me. I was so good at dissolving myself. I was so good at fragmenting and getting into universal space and quote unquote, \u201cdissolving my ego.\u201d But unfortunately, I didn\u2019t have that strong enough of an ego to begin with to start dissolving it.<\/span><\/p>\n

So just consolidating energy and being able to come into the physicality is already a huge boon on the path of discovering what you want. But then it\u2019s listening to physiology. A lot of women, what they need in my office is they need either swaddling or they need rest. So instead of saying like, yes, I\u2019m going to teach you tips and tricks, and I\u2019m going to give you a self-pleasure practice\u2014because that\u2019s the common advice everyone gets. \u201cYou\u2019ve got to start a self-pleasure practice and you\u2019ve got to do it 30 minutes a day. Whether or not you want to, you just have to do it.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

What is the underlying need? They\u2019re afraid, because they\u2019re afraid if they rest, they\u2019re never going to stand up again or they\u2019re never going to want to get it again. But actually, after they get a little bit of rest and space, they can just hear themselves again.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> That\u2019s very interesting, swaddling and rest. So people come to you and if what\u2019s really genuine is to be wrapped in some blankets, that\u2019s what you offer them.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Yes. It\u2019s happened before where people ask me to get very far away from them, they want me to build them a nest and comfort them but then to move very far away. They need space. They need to feel that the space is theirs because inside their house, they\u2019re nursing children or being pregnant, they just don\u2019t feel like they just can feel that there\u2019s space for them. So yes, the sessions look all kinds of ways, including jaguar work, which is like activating healthy aggression as well. But oftentimes, there\u2019s an underlying exhaustion or freeze that just needs to be attended to and not pushed through.<\/span><\/p>\n

Because the woman is always the identified patient as well. So she\u2019s always the one that her body\u2019s not working the way it should be or it\u2019s confusing. Even if the female in my office is the one that wants more sex in a partnership, she\u2019s still the one that thinks that she\u2019s wrong, she shouldn\u2019t want as much. She shouldn\u2019t want as much as she wants. And then if she\u2019s the partner that wants less frequency, she also thinks she\u2019s wrong. And the wrongness is the shame part. So how do we, again, set that a little bit aside to just feel, what is the genuine thrust that\u2019s underneath it?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, I can definitely understand a woman who\u2019s given birth recently has young children saying, god, I just want swaddling and rest. I get that, and I get how you\u2019re offering that to someone\u2014it could be so positive and healing and on target. Now, this person\u2019s partner could be saying, hello. Hello, what about me? What about me? Don\u2019t I get a say here? What about my needs? How do you deal with that?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> It\u2019s a both\/and. So I don\u2019t believe that it\u2019s OK to say like, well, you just deal with yourself. We\u2019re married or we\u2019re partners, but I\u2019m not responsible for your sexuality. It is a relationship, so there is mutuality, but there\u2019s also a part of maturing in our culture where we also need to be responsible for our own orgasms. So it\u2019s both. And we also need to open the palette of what engagement looks like, so that most people that are in that position saying, what about my needs? Why aren\u2019t you available to me? Or when are you going to be fine, have your time, but when are you going to be available?<\/span><\/p>\n

But honestly, in my experience, people\u2019s partners are really super patient and they\u2019re waiting for their partner to just tell them what\u2019s going on. They want orientation, they want to know that their partner\u2019s still attracted to them, and that they\u2019re still desirable. They\u2019re usually not pressuring. In fact, oftentimes if it\u2019s a male partner, I\u2019m encouraging the male partner to speak up for what they want more, because they\u2019re just assuming, well, I just have to wait and just wonder. And not come forward with, hey, this is an important part of the relationship to me, and of course, I don\u2019t want to hurt you. And of course, I want to respect your timing, but we need to come back to each other. And I\u2019d like to work with you on this. Maybe you\u2019re not available for the sex that we used to have, but what are you available for?<\/span><\/p>\n

And because our language is so limited, it\u2019s most men, maybe not in Boulder, but most of the other men in the world, they\u2019re not trained to say, I want more connection. Or I just need to know that I\u2019m still important to you, or I even need to know that you even look at me anymore, because you\u2019re always looking at the baby or you\u2019re looking elsewhere. That\u2019s what they\u2019re looking for is to say like, yes, sexuality is on my radar and I\u2019m going to attend to it, and here\u2019s how I want to attend to it. It takes a lot of maturity. But even without children, I think in every person\u2019s life, there are points of huge experiences that change how we feel about our bodies, that change how we feel about our spirituality, our availability, and all of those are going to influence how we arrive to the other person.<\/span><\/p>\n

So hypothetically, I would say, the person needs to not expect that it\u2019s just the woman\u2019s problem to heal and to figure it out and then come to them when it\u2019s figured out\u2014that they approach it with like, hey, I\u2019m still interested, and how does this sound? And what does sound\u00a0 good to you? And principally, there still is an idea that sex is something that women give and it\u2019s like a gift that we\u2019re giving. And when you think of it that way, most women say, I\u2019m gifted out, I don\u2019t have anything more to give. I don\u2019t want to give anything. But there\u2019s no reason why sex can\u2019t be something that you either receive or take. What\u2019s the sex that a woman\u2019s going to take then? So reframing it also is something that has been really powerful.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Yes. In the audio series, <\/span>Reclaiming the Feminine<\/span><\/i>, you introduce this idea of feminist sex. What is that? What\u2019s feminist sex?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Feminist sex is sex where women\u2019s pleasure matters, where I don\u2019t think it also means that it\u2019s the only thing that matters. It means that the female arousal trajectory, I wish everybody in the world knew that female arousal takes somewhere between 35 and 45 minutes, that women have just as much erectile tissue as males do. And that most male erectile tissue can engorge in 30 seconds to a minute and a half. So feminist sex means our anatomy and our arousal trajectory matters and is considered. And it\u2019s not like, oh, foreplay, it\u2019s so annoying. I wish I could get to orgasm faster, or I wish I could do this faster.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s like, no, actually that\u2019s how the physiology works. So feminist sex is slower sex and has a range so that all of the participants or both of the participants, or whoever\u2019s participating is respecting our physiology.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, besides 35 to 45 minutes for arousal to fully be present, is there anything else about the female arousal process that\u2019s important to know?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Well, when it comes to the female nervous system\u2014and probably a lot of listeners are familiar with polyvagal theory\u2014but the social nervous system is something that\u2019s a part of polyvagal theory. So not just sympathetic and parasympathetic, but there\u2019s also a social nervous system, which is the first branch of determining safety and how we relate. And our social nervous system, it\u2019s only\u2026 Animals have very complex social systems, but they don\u2019t have social nervous systems, just primates and homo sapiens have social nervous systems. The social nervous system is primed, it\u2019s telling us who we can trust based on our facial expressions and our vocal tone. And it\u2019s the ventral system, so from the heart up through the throat, nose, and mouth.<\/span><\/p>\n

Females are more subject to both the shadow, specifically to the shadow side, what I would call, that\u2019s our reunion term. So what happens to the social nervous system under threat? When the social nervous system is under threat and we feel like we won\u2019t belong unless we fit in and we do what everybody else does, then we have fawning, which is tolerating, appeasing, being really nice, going ahead with what somebody else wants because we feel if we stand out, then there\u2019s going to be a disconnect. It is really only in our reproductive years that that\u2019s most highlighted or prominent because it\u2019s the way that estrogen and oxytocin work together.<\/span><\/p>\n

And then when we go into menopause and we have less progesterone, estrogen\u2014overall, those bonding hormones that are really there for us to be incredibly attuned horizontally to the other member of our kinship. And that\u2019s why you see that, in general, when women go through menopause, they don\u2019t care as much about what everybody else thinks. They don\u2019t care as much about pleasing everyone else. That\u2019s when a lot of women get divorced. They\u2019re like, forget this, I\u2019m not going to sacrifice myself for everyone else.<\/span><\/p>\n

So in addition to the female arousal system, which is how engorgement works and how actually the erectile tissue works, it\u2019s also so much harder for a female system to shut down the voices of: is what I\u2019m doing OK? Am I allowed to want this? Does so and so else want this? I heard this person did this. And then social media just exemplifies that and exaggerates it so many times because we have so many ways to compare with both imagery and words.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, this notion of erectile tissue in a woman\u2019s body, can you help me understand that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Erectile tissue is corrugated tissue and it\u2019s where blood goes. So that\u2019s what engorges. So just like you can see a penis go from flaccid to hard, and it will change shape and it will change length and girth, the same is true for a vulva. So the erectile tissue in a vulva, we used to think of the clitoris just as like a little bulb, which is just one tiny structure of the clitoris. The clitoris actually has wings, or in English it\u2019s called legs. And then there are vestibular bulbs that go around the opening, and then there\u2019s erectile tissue that\u2019s in the perineum, and there\u2019s also erectile tissue around the urethra. So around the place where female ejaculate and urine exits, there\u2019s erectile tissue.<\/span><\/p>\n

And that tissue is usually called the G-spot, but in anatomical language, it\u2019s called a meatus. It\u2019s a thick spongy material. So if you take your tongue and you run your tongue across the roof of your mouth, you feel ridges. That\u2019s the type of tissue, but it\u2019s softer than that. And that tissue is meant to be incredibly expandable. So it\u2019s there for arousal, yes, but it also really helps in the birthing process because when that tissue is stretched, it\u2019s very soft and spongy and shape shifting.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, in the audio series that you recorded with Sounds True, <\/span>Reclaiming the Feminine<\/span><\/i>\u2014embodied sexuality, spiritual practice, you teach a lot of different practices. And one of the first practices you introduce is how we can build our arousal capacity. And so I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about that, and why do we have to build our capacity? Why wouldn\u2019t we just have, oh, I have unlimited capacity or I have great capacity. Why does our capacity shrink? Or why is it something we need to build and how do we build it?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> We need to build tolerance. Well, I don\u2019t really like the word tolerance, but why does it shrink? It\u2019s a good question. I think family messages, our own life experiences, cultural messages, religious scripts, all of those things that tell us what\u2019s appropriate, what\u2019s not appropriate, what\u2019s good, what\u2019s bad, how connected we are to wanting to be a good person and what we think falls inside that category\u2026 Big question, why do we need to expand it? Well, nobody needs to do anything. So if you\u2019re listening and you feel really satisfied with\u2014<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> No, I want to build my arousal capacity. So let\u2019s go in that direction really.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> OK. We need to build it because we tend to do a lot of things that slow down our valve system. So meditation slows our valve system, yoga in general slows our valve system. So when we start to feel more activation, we can associate it with anxiety or anger, and if anger\u2019s unwelcome\u2026 So when we start to stretch into that more sympathetic, healthy aggression state, we\u2019re likely to either collapse or default. Especially female nervous systems that have been more habituated it into prey responses, flight responses, freeze responses, down-regulation, we need to practice up-regulation. Just like there\u2019s all kinds of jokes all over the place about men who ejaculate too fast, women can also get in the situation\u2014females\u2014where we either climax really fast, but don\u2019t have capacity for a bigger orgasm, or we just don\u2019t feel there\u2019s any modulation, so we are always going to the same place every time.<\/span><\/p>\n

And that same place every time\u2014I only come in this position\u2014that can be really frustrating. And if you\u2019re looking to build your capacity, and I think to me, building capacity also means new pathways, also means availability for something that might be interesting that wasn\u2019t interesting before.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> OK. So a listener says, take us through it. How are we going to build our arousal capacity? What are we going to do?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Right now?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Yes. Give me a sense. Give me a taste.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> OK. Well, one thing that we could do together is we could breathe in and out through our mouth three times. And when you\u2019re breathing in through your mouth, make your mouth like an O-ring, so you\u2019re like a boba straw and you\u2019re pulling in the air through your mouth. And then as you do that, squeeze your pelvic floor at the same time as you breathe in. And when we breathe out, we\u2019ll just make a sound like an awe. I feel like that\u2019s kind of funny, it makes me want to laugh a little bit, but my palette feels a lot more open, I feel hotter. So it feels like it built some heat. And I feel more awareness in my whole erectile tissue and pelvic bowl. What do you notice?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> I notice like an increase of inner electricity or something like that, or just some feeling of buzzing aliveness. And that was one of my questions was, you can think about arousal capacity as something that you build so that it\u2019s a capacity you have in a sexual interaction, but it could just be building your capacity for an increased intense aliveness. And I\u2019m wondering what you think about that.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Yes. And an availability to life, the possibility full engagement, of inhabiting every cell and being present internally and available\u2014but not available meaning I\u2019m here for anything, available to feeling that you could mobilize what you\u2019re available for and sustain that mobilization to get to a place that you want to go.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, you mentioned this term jaguar work as something that you teach women. What is jaguar work?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> When I was in my office and I was working with a lot of women, a woman came in, she was wearing a hat, many layers of scarves. I live in Southern California, so it\u2019s not cold. It was weird for someone to come to my office with a hat and a lot of layers. I thought, OK, I\u2019m going to have her be the wolf and I\u2019ll be the rabbit, because she\u2019s in rabbit energy, she\u2019s hiding, she doesn\u2019t feel safe being revealed. So she\u2019s freezing and she\u2019s all covered. The moment I told her that she could be the wolf, she started to act like a rabbit without wanting to. So she got down, she started cowering and shaking and telling me, I don\u2019t know why this is happening.<\/span><\/p>\n

And that was a huge aha moment for me, recognizing that it wasn\u2019t that she didn\u2019t want to be the wolf\u2014she was a feminist. She wanted to have predator energy or hunter\u2019s energy, but her system couldn\u2019t do it and specifically went the opposite when the idea was even proposed to her. So I recognized that I needed to help the women coming in my office learn how to develop hunter\u2019s energy. And because so many people have been in the prey position\u2014either sexually or in birth or with doctors or all of the ways that they felt they couldn\u2019t say what they needed to say or move the way they wanted to move or be available to life because they were always getting pulled into helping everyone else and not helping themselves\u2014I developed a process to help them activate what I call \u201cjaguar energy.\u201d Because that\u2019s the energy that resonates most for me. And it\u2019s also a name that somebody gave me.<\/span><\/p>\n

I used to live in Brazil and my practitioner just happened to have been from the Amazon. And I was talking to him at the moment about how fragmented I felt between being a single mom and having to be the unconditional love and the disciplinarian. And when I said that, he said, \u201cYou\u2019re a jaguar, and it\u2019s the females that teach the cubs to hunt.\u201d And he just fractured this polarity that I had created.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I was feeling really sorry for myself and just said, you need to learn about this, how the jaguars, how do they teach their cubs to hunt?\u2014and start tracking that. And so I did, and I started developing this hunter energy inside myself so that I wasn\u2019t in collapse, I wasn\u2019t always going into freeze or confusion or helplessness or sadness, that I could actually feel the power of healthy aggression. So that\u2019s the foundational work that I do with everyone who both comes into my office and who studies with me.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> I notice that I am very drawn to the idea of having healthy aggression available to me, but the notion of being a \u201cpredator,\u201d something in me is just like, really? You know I\u2019m a human being. I don\u2019t want to be a predator. So help me with that term.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> I think that most people would cringe because look at who we see as predators, Harvey Weinstein, but that\u2019s not a predator. That\u2019s what we\u2019re calling in the English language, a predator, that is feral behavior. The only animals in the wild, like a wolf in a hen house, that\u2019s a hen house, it\u2019s close to domestication, and so that\u2019s why it\u2019s out of control. An actual predator only ever kills what it needs. It doesn\u2019t kill anything else except for the food that it needs. The rest of the time, it chills out, it plays, it hangs out in the cave, it saunters along the plains, whatever else the animals are doing.<\/span><\/p>\n

I totally understand why someone would not want to be associated with a predator, but the people who least want to be associated with the predator are the people who have been the prey the most of the time, which is why I continue to use it. I could easily just stop using the word predator and use the word hunters, but I continue to use it because I\u2019m trying to get to the biology. Because what happens is when we\u2019re over-identified with the prey, like in my case, there\u2019s a lot of reasons why I was bullied in school, grew up in an alcoholic household. Then I become a vegetarian, then I become a yoga practitioner. Then I develop all kinds of viewpoints that all reinforce not having healthy aggression, that all reinforce always being good and seeing everyone else\u2019s point of view and putting myself in the shoes of another, and not being able to have my own shoes and look at the world through my own eyes.<\/span><\/p>\n

So having predator energy is not being an alpha female, it\u2019s not walking around the world with your biceps cocked looking for a fight. A healthy predator energy is I have intact self-protective instincts, and I know from the depth of my own that I can defend myself if I need to, therefore, I probably won\u2019t need to. And sexually, it means that if we want to \u201csurrender\u201d or we want to \u201cbe ravished\u201d we\u2019re actually, we\u2019re not doing that because it\u2019s the only thing that our system can do, is be disengaged or flaccid or tolerant. We\u2019re doing it because we actually could occupy the full realm of, I can get what I want if I wanted to, but I\u2019m doing it out of preference, not out of default.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> I\u2019m totally behind you and I\u2019m still uncomfortable with the word. I\u2019m seeking other words that enable\u2014<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> What do you think about hunter?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Hunters, even that honestly I have to say, it makes me a little uncomfortable, but something about being in a type of healthy goddess, empowered, roaring, able to use aggression as protection, honoring my own needs, speaking up, all of those qualities, I\u2019m 100 percent behind. But there\u2019s something at the expense of another, which is what I associate with the predator, even the hunter, there\u2019s a death of some\u2026 That\u2019s where I think it is hard for me to bring those qualities in under that label.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Yes. So just curious, because I think that, of course, if we were actually being attacked, which does happen sometimes where our system is going to fight, move towards the aggressor or flee, move away, or we\u2019re going to collapse. In that situation, from a nervous system perspective, and what\u2019s going to have the less residue is if we\u2019re able to fight or get away. But our system sometimes registers it\u2019s not possible and the system chooses something else. I just wonder what\u2014I\u2019m not suggesting again, that this is what\u2014because I don\u2019t know, when I\u2019m hearing you talk, I\u2019m imagining like, then there\u2019s going to be gladiators out in the streets again or something like that.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m not suggesting we\u2019re actually doing it. Some of the time, yes, 100 percent wish my parents would\u2019ve told me when I was in fifth grade to turn around and either yell or roar or maybe even push someone back who is taunting me, because being nice and ignoring\u2014which is what I was taught to do, ignore it, pretend like it doesn\u2019t get to you\u2014that actually turned in on me. And I see so many women with autoimmune disorders and sickness because that anger that could be directed outward is actually going inward. But maybe if it\u2019s the energy that\u2019s activated and you were saying like, goddess, like a fierce goddess, to me, the animal energy is just different.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Yes, that\u2019s OK, I\u2019m going to ponder this. And I think that you\u2019re pointing to a capacity and something being a fierceness being turned on that\u2019s so important for women. And I really appreciate you pointing to it and bringing it right to the forefront.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> But I wonder if for you though, if you already have a lot of that intact inside of you, because you\u2019ve been running your own business for years and you\u2019ve had to be in environments where you\u2019re not going to collapse, you can\u2019t collapse.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Yes. My own journey is learning to be more accommodating and making room for other people. And that\u2019s more been my growing edge. At one point you said, lovingkindness is at the basis of what I teach, it\u2019s at the core of the work I do. And one of the practices that you brought forward in the series\u2014it\u2019s so simple, and I loved it so much\u2014is lovingkindness with our hands, working with ourselves. And I wonder if here, as we\u2019re coming to a close soon, if you could just share what that practice is and how people could explore it.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> I like to use my hands and place my hands on different parts of my body and I invite anyone who\u2019s listening who can do that right now to do that. And so sometimes with lovingkindness, we just repeat the words either internally, or we say them out loud, \u201cMay I be filled with lovingkindness.\u201d And in this case, it\u2019s like, as I\u2019m touching myself and just feeling the contours of my head, having the energy of lovingkindness in my hands too, may I be filled with lovingkindness, so that it really feels like, directly, my hands are sending it back into myself. And one of the ways that I came up with this was because whenever I would teach lovingkindness in my yoga classes or in women\u2019s circles that I was leading, I taught some groups about spirituality and sexuality and yoga studios in Brazil.<\/span><\/p>\n

All the women could easily say, \u201cMay you be filled with lovingkindness,\u201d but it was so hard for them to say, \u201cMay I be filled with lovingkindness.\u201d Or \u201cMay all beings including myself,\u201d so I would always add including myself. And the including myself would always make people cry because it was so much easier for us to send out that love. And that relates to the giving part of the Wheel of Consent. I can give it, but I can\u2019t direct it to myself. So using the hands is just a way to also just bring our attention back into this physical body of ours. And there\u2019s so many ways that our body is that sometimes feels like it\u2019s not the way we want it to be, or that it\u2019s betraying us somehow, and I just find that this is a very direct and simple way to have tangible lovingkindness.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> What do your hands feel like when you do that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> What do they feel like? I feel more the space that I\u2019m contacting, but they also feel, if I gave them a color, they would feel like light yellow and a little bit warm.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, I have to say, Kimberly, your audio series with Sounds True, <\/span>Reclaiming the Feminine<\/span><\/i>, is hugely substantive. You cover so much ground, from all the exercises that you offer, the whole journey into the pelvic floor, where we spend quite a bit of time, not just familiarizing ourselves but really learning what it might be like, to instead of bringing our energy up and out, bringing all of our energy in and down. There\u2019s a whole section on what feminine spirituality might be like in difference to the ways that many of us have been taught, spiritual paths based on traditions that were formalized by men. It\u2019s a beautiful, beautiful series.<\/span><\/p>\n

And we create track markers, little titles for each little part. And the very last track marker is \u201cHaving sex that changes the world, beginning with yourself.\u201d This notion of having sex that changes the world\u2014and I wonder if we can end on that note\u2014what might that mean?<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Sex that changes the world requires listening, requires slowing down, requires bringing a lot of the tools that we\u2019ve developed interpersonally or in spiritual practice, but in one of the most vulnerable spaces. Erotic energy, which to me is life-force energy, which is arousal energy, is the place where we can heal. It\u2019s fast, it\u2019s efficient, even though I said that it\u2019s also slow, but the healing potential that arises when the life force is actually moving can get through so many layers that we spend years and years and years trying to excavate and talking and analyzing and skimming around. So sex that changes the world to me is about how we loosen some of these shaming patterns that keep us adherent to values or directions that aren\u2019t actually true to ourselves.<\/span><\/p>\n

And it can reveal to us our own, what I would call <\/span>swadharma <\/span><\/i>our own personal purpose and path. So the truer we are to where that movement is happening, the closer we get to that which we were put on this earth to do, that\u2019s ours alone to do.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> I\u2019ve been speaking with Kimberly Johnson, she\u2019s the author of the book, <\/span>The Fourth Trimester<\/span><\/i> and a book called <\/span>The Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It for Good<\/span><\/i>. With Sounds True, she\u2019s created a new audio series. It\u2019s called <\/span>Reclaiming the Feminine: Embodied Sexuality as Spiritual Practice<\/span><\/i>. Kimberly, you\u2019re a fun person to talk to. Thank you so much.<\/span><\/p>\n

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KJ:<\/b> Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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