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Tami Simon:<\/b> Hello, friends. My name\u2019s Tami Simon, and I\u2019m the founder of Sounds True, and I want to welcome you to the Sounds True podcast: <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>. I also want to take a moment to introduce you to Sounds True\u2019s new membership community and digital platform. It\u2019s called Sounds True One. Sounds True One features original, premium, transformational docu-series, community events, classes to start your day and relax in the evening, special weekly live shows, including a video version of <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i> with an after-show community question-and-answer session with featured guests. I hope you\u2019ll come join us, explore, come have fun with us, and connect with others. You can learn more at join.soundstrue.com.<\/span><\/p>\n

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In this episode of <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>, my guest is Jules Blaine Davis. Jules is a TED speaker and one of Goop\u2019s leading experts on women\u2019s healing. She has led transformational gatherings, retreats, and a private practice of kitchen healing for over 15 years. Jules is a pioneer in her field, inviting people to awaken and rewrite the stories they\u2019ve been carrying for far too long in their day-to-day lives. With Sounds True, Jules Blaine Davis is the author of a new book. It\u2019s called <\/span>The Kitchen Healer: The Journey to Becoming You<\/span><\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n

Have you ever heard the phrase, \u201cThe way you do anything is the way you do everything?\u201d I think of that phrase when speaking with Jules Blaine Davis. She\u2019s lavish with her love, exuberant, compassionate, creative, resourceful, real, and funny, and she can make something very simple feel like a soul feast. Here\u2019s my conversation with Jules Blaine Davis.<\/span><\/p>\n

Jules, you have a very interesting profession. You\u2019re a kitchen healer. You\u2019re the first kitchen healer I\u2019ve ever met. So to start with, what does it mean to be a kitchen healer?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Jules Blaine Davis:<\/b> Oh, I just love us, and I love that question, and I just love the idea of being the first. What does it mean to be a kitchen healer? I would say that that has been the inquiry I have carried around since I started to be in the kitchen with people, nourishing people, and what is the philosophy of you form the … It\u2019s about forming the question. So I think I\u2019ll answer it with another question. What does it look like to nourish our deepest lives? What does it look like to cross the threshold of the doorframe from my office to the kitchen? I ask that to everyone. What does it look like to be in a cultureless culture and value, truly, deeply caring for ourselves? I could go on, but I\u2019m giving you a little few swatches.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Sure. You used this phrase, being in a cultureless culture. Can you help me understand what you mean by that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I mean, I would say that I grew up in Southern Florida, so it\u2019s always \u201ccheck the source,\u201d right? It\u2019s like I grew up in America. I grew up here in a culture that I believe is really hungry. How would I know that? How would I think, \u201cOh, the culture\u2019s hungry\u201d? It\u2019s because it doesn\u2019t really reflect me. I don\u2019t feel held here, a lot of different things. I didn\u2019t know this growing up, of course. I thought that\u2019s the way it was, whatever that was with my family of origin, my shaping. But I would say, as I grew up, as I began to look at my shaping, as I began to understand that what my life is, is the stories I carry and the decisions I make and the values I have are a bunch of stories that I carry. And inside that was like, \u201cOh,\u201d and then, of course, traveling to other places and seeing, essentially, values.<\/span><\/p>\n

It was really like, \u201cOK. Wait, I\u2019m a mess and always hungry for something deeper. I have a longing that can\u2019t seem to get fed,\u201d all these pieces of me, how I was experiencing. Even I would say in my early 20s, 30s, and then, of course, the threshold of becoming a mother, creating home, and raising people that I made with my body, I started to see, \u201cOh, how I want to do it is connected to what was taken.\u201d I long for ritual. I want to be held and seen. I want to know it\u2019s OK. I\u2019m the perfectionist. I know I\u2019m going super expansive and I\u2019ll probably do that throughout our time together because I do that, but I\u2019ll come back in.<\/span><\/p>\n

So yes, I mean, I was saying to you earlier, it\u2019s like describing air. I mean, it\u2019s like how do we nourish? What is it to have values? How important are they inside a reactive\u2026 I mean, I guess the cultureless culture piece is I believe that our culture is really hungry for a culture. We\u2019re hungry for a self. So it\u2019s hard for a culture to feed you if it\u2019s hungry.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

When you go to other cultures, they are fed, they have values. There is an origin that has stayed a tradition. Their linens are stained. Their wood spoons are used and there\u2019s a real connection to the land in certain places, right? I feel like, really, we\u2019re so young here and we\u2019ve lost that and yet we\u2019re so hungry for\u2014we\u2019re so free yet we\u2019re so hungry. So I\u2019m not quite sure if that freedom is really the kind of freedom we\u2019re looking for.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Now, Jules, in the short time that I\u2019ve had to get to know you, I would say you are a supernova of love as a human. You are a supernova of love and healing. Yet I want our audience to really understand how it is that you found the kitchen as the place where you wanted to express the love that\u2019s in you and the healing powers that you have to become a professional kitchen healer. Why focus in on the kitchen as your place?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Such a great question, Tami. There\u2019s so many different downloads coming in. I would say, first and foremost, everyone wants to be in the kitchen, definitely in my home when I had little babies, now they\u2019re all tall and big people. When I had littles, we were always in there. Then people would come over and then they would be in there. I mean, it was very simple, actually.<\/span><\/p>\n

Then as I had more people come in, they would start sharing story as they were sipping on a soup, as I gave them a tea. I didn\u2019t really ask them what they wanted. I wanted to just be with them in there. I didn\u2019t know that. It was really through experience that I came to learning what was actually really happening in the kitchen and what the kitchen could be. It could be a place where we heal.<\/span><\/p>\n

So people, of course, were like, \u201cOh, are you a cook? Do you teach cooking?\u201d It wasn\u2019t so much that. It was an aroma that they would meet at the door. They would follow it to the kitchen. They would say, \u201cOh, what are you making? Oh, my grandmother used to dadada,\u201d or, \u201cI don\u2019t cook. I mean, my husband gets home at 10:00 and he cooks because he loves to cook.\u201d And I\u2019m thinking, no one likes to cook at 10, but I hear you.<\/span><\/p>\n

Then I started to hear the shame. I started to hear the vulnerability, the tenderness in the story. I was just roasting a squash, which literally\u2014the recipes in the book, you just put it in there at 415. I mean, you really, and it softens. That\u2019s what was happening in the kitchen. It was like we were these hard butternut squashes, and then we would turn on the oven, we would turn on the fire, and we would soften. And you could eat all of it, and you didn\u2019t have to cut it before you put it in, but I didn\u2019t know that because I wasn\u2019t taught that.<\/span><\/p>\n

So the piece about what is it about the kitchen, we\u2019re in there. We\u2019re in at a wedding. We\u2019re in there at a funeral. We\u2019re in there at a birth, a bris, a thing, a thing. We\u2019re in there all the time and we\u2019re hungry. We\u2019re hungry to connect with each other. Again, back to the culture piece, the culture, they\u2019re around the fire, right? They\u2019re in the kitchen. Someone\u2019s always got something on low. I feel like that is so connected to our lives, right? It\u2019s like they say, \u201cOh, the kitchen is the heart of the home.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

I believe it is. It\u2019s the body of the home. The home is a body and the kitchen is a body, and you can access it in such beautiful ways when you give yourself permission and freedom and ease and beauty. There are so many stories that live in the kitchen that truly guide our whole lives. They guide our values. They guide the decisions we make, who we marry, all these decisions that were made from a place of how we were nourished or not.<\/span><\/p>\n

In the book, I share this and I speak about this a lot. How were you nourished when you woke up in the morning? How did you wake up as a kid in the morning? I asked you, Tami, what\u2019s the first memory? Are you eight? Are you nine? What do you hear? Do you smell something? I\u2019m asking you now.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Oh, yes. Well, and in the book, when you write about waking up to the stories we carry and what was it like when we woke up, I thought of that and I thought of my own early experiences of waking up and crawling into bed with my parents as my first move. As I\u2019m listening to you now I\u2019m also, though, imagining being at the breakfast table where my mom insisted that I eat breakfast when I wasn\u2019t hungry. It was like, \u201cYou\u2019re not leaving this breakfast table till you eat.\u201d So it became like force-feeding and how that also left an imprint on me that I\u2019ve had to work out.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m curious, because you talked about how important stories are and you work with all kinds of people who start telling you their stories. Let\u2019s say someone shares with you stories of a really traumatic early experience in the kitchen\u2014as in they opened the refrigerator and there wasn\u2019t anything in it, and there was no one there to help provide food for them. How do you help someone in a situation like that have a healing relationship with the kitchen and with food?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Good way to come into it from your experience. When I think about what you shared, I\u2019m thinking forced feeding and then how that led\u2014and that could be a book and what decisions and what\u2014so it\u2019s the same.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Oh, no, I\u2019m deflecting, of course. I have to. That\u2019s my job.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I know. I know, and I\u2019m loving you through it. I\u2019m loving you through it in every moment. When you asked about being a kitchen healer, what I realized after the book was written is I\u2019m a grief holder. That\u2019s what\u2019s happening in the kitchen is we\u2019re rewriting the stories. We\u2019re grieving them and then we\u2019re rewriting them. We\u2019re making new space and then we\u2019re turning on the fire. I am not talking about a coq au vin right now. I am going to go out and have that at some beautiful French bistro. I am talking about cutting up some cheddar and gouda. So I just wanted to bring that back and then to hear you. Thank you so much for sharing that. I mean, immediately, I soften and go, yes, and I wonder [about] your mother\u2019s story and the depression and when she came in and how important it was to eat because we had to survive and how we\u2019re still living that story, and it\u2019s 2022 coming into 2023, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

So this is legacy work. It\u2019s ancestral work. It\u2019s lineage work. So somebody opens the fridge and there\u2019s nothing in there. I can\u2019t tell you how many stories. I can\u2019t tell you where those stories come from. Chef families, you open the fridge, there\u2019s nothing in there, right? Restaurant people work so hard and you come from that and then you\u2019re hungry.<\/span><\/p>\n

There\u2019s so many different ways to go about how it goes, and it\u2019s super custom-blended. I am all about a team. I love modeling, gathering a team for our healing. There\u2019s a lot of different\u2026 It\u2019s like the tribe. There\u2019s a lot of different voices you might need to hear. It\u2019s not just mine. Really, I\u2019m just a vessel for, \u201cOoh, what happened when you opened the fridge,\u201d right? Let\u2019s write about it. Let\u2019s move our bodies. I don\u2019t know what we\u2019re going to need. First, I\u2019m probably going to make a fire so that we can burn what doesn\u2019t serve any longer. We\u2019re holding onto the story of not having enough, and that could be a gazillionaire. It doesn\u2019t matter. It\u2019s not about the thing. It\u2019s about the deeper piece, the roots, right? It\u2019s about the roots.<\/span><\/p>\n

So how do I do that? It depends upon the person. It depends upon who I\u2019m with, right? There\u2019s not like three steps to, \u201cOh, when your fridge is empty, this is what we do.\u201d I mean, I need to be with you in it, and it\u2019s going to call on trust. It\u2019s going to call on willingness. It\u2019s going to feel risky. It\u2019s vulnerable terrain. This is why I\u2019m called a kitchen healer, because it\u2019s vulnerable in there, in those stories, right? Usually, a lot of the times, we\u2019re no longer in the blaming game of our parents, and dadada. We may have already done so much work on that. A lot of my clients have already been in therapy. They\u2019re in a recovery program, whatever it is.<\/span><\/p>\n

So this is this piece. It\u2019s a recovery and it\u2019s a discovery of what we can open to not fix the problem, but to be with it. So different. It\u2019s such a different place to be with it. I am there with you being with you in it like a midwife, so that we can really birth something new, and that takes time. It takes slowing down. It may take some other teammates. It takes changing your life. It takes valuing your values, having them, learning who you are. So that is why the book and the subtitle is called <\/span>The Journey to Becoming You<\/span><\/i>, because that is what we can do every time we walk in the kitchen.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>You emphasize this is not a fixing journey, it\u2019s a healing journey. What\u2019s the difference?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I mean, I feel like fixing is topical, and I\u2019m not saying that when you\u2019ve opened your skin, not to get a Band-Aid. I\u2019m not saying just let it\u2026 I mean, a lot of people are like, \u201cLet it air out,\u201d but that\u2019s two different kinds of people. Maybe that\u2019s not the greatest analogy, but anyway, all to say in the realms of fixing, I feel that we are a fix-it culture. We feel like, \u201cIf I just do this, if you could just do this, I would be great. If I could just fix this, then if I could just make this amount of money, if I could just pay the bill, if I could just marry the right person,\u201d and I feel that that\u2019s in that fixing topical realm.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Healing is a forever conversation. I know you know this, Tami. It is forever, right? When we\u2019re in the practice of healing, there\u2019s no graduating from healing. We\u2019re just unfolding. We\u2019re unraveling. We\u2019re becoming who we are over and over again in all the different beautiful places in our lives. We\u2019re just keeping our eyes open. We\u2019re keeping our ears open in new ways. So many of us long for that. I meet people that say to me, \u201cOh, my God! The way you move your body, if I ever did that, I mean, my neighbors would think I was crazy!\u201d And I\u2019m like, \u201cGreat. Give them that. Give them crazy.\u201d They want to do it too. When you heal, I heal. When we have this conversation I go, \u201cOh, my gosh! Me too. Oh, me too.\u201d Something changes in us. We need each other.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Tell me, Jules, what your kitchen feels like. If I were to walk in to your kitchen, what would it feel like and describe it to me.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Oh, I love you. I want to take you in there right now.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>I want to go right now.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>My kitchen is, she\u2019s small, she\u2019s sweet. She is a sweetsie cola is what I would call her. She is a soft place to land. I would say that when I walk into my kitchen, I see what I need to do to be. So I\u2019ll have a candle there with matches right there with everything else, the chaos. I\u2019ll have some lavender oil. I\u2019ll have a few things next to the pomegranates and the persimmon. That\u2019s the season we\u2019re in. I\u2019ll have beauty everywhere. I\u2019ll have an altar, which I do over my sink that has a few things on it, right? It\u2019s talking about detachment with love right now. That\u2019s in the season.<\/span><\/p>\n

There\u2019s a few different things. \u201cPray,\u201d it says, \u201cBreathe,\u201d over the oven. There\u2019s reminders everywhere. It\u2019s a soft place for me to land. It\u2019s a place where I go in even when I\u2019m busy, I\u2019m busy. The book is coming out. I\u2019m busy, right? I\u2019m not even hungry because there\u2019s so much excitement and I know I need to eat something. I know I need to nourish even before our call. So I\u2019d go in and I\u2019m looking around and think, \u201cOK, I\u2019ll cut up an apple. I want to make sure I get some, but I\u2019m not hungry,\u201d and, \u201cDo I have time to cook?\u201d These are all the things. I\u2019m modeling this even in this moment, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

So I\u2019d go in there and what do I have available to me? I want to see it. I don\u2019t go searching. I don\u2019t have apples in drawers in the fridge. I have it out. I have things on cake plates. My cake plate has a big essentially mended incision on it, a wabi-sabi feeling. It\u2019s broken but it\u2019s put together. I have things that remind me of what it feels like to be me. That is what my kitchen is. It\u2019s a place to be.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Interestingly, this notion of being\u2014because in <\/span>The Kitchen Healer<\/span><\/i> book you write about a kitchen as a place of being and doing\u2014and I think for a lot of us, the kitchen is all doing all the time. I\u2019m making the food and then I\u2019m doing the dishes. So how do we bring forth more being? You gave some examples from your kitchen, but let\u2019s say someone\u2019s like, \u201cGod, I have no idea how to relate to my kitchen as a place of being.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Totally. I mean, so many of us. I mean, as I\u2019m hearing you even ask the question, I think those are the stories we carry. We carry the stories of like, \u201cI do it all. I do it all,\u201d obligation, martyrdom, \u201cAnybody going to help me? What am I doing in here? Oh, the dishes again.\u201d I totally hear that. I mean, everyone on the call might be listening to the podcast, \u201cMe too,\u201d which is a good medicine.<\/span><\/p>\n

When you create a kitchen that is a place you love to be in, it changes the feeling of being in there, right? It\u2019s super simple. Yet how do we do that? \u201cOh, I hate my kitchen. It\u2019s too small. My God! There\u2019s stuff everywhere. Oh, my God! There\u2019s so many people that live here.\u201d I mean, you just get to hear yourself. So the stories we carry about the event of the meal or what perfectionism\u2014I mean, there\u2019s so many -isms in the realms of being in the kitchen.<\/span><\/p>\n

How do we get into being in there? Well, start to create a space you love. Not the whole thing, just a corner. Maybe the thing you\u2019re looking at when you\u2019re at the sink. Maybe it\u2019s just a wall and you want to put a piece of something you love, right? Put on the music. Light a candle, right? We do that for a party or we do that for someone else when they\u2019re coming over. What about just doing it on a Friday at noon? Just put on the candle and don\u2019t forget it\u2019s on. I mean, I don\u2019t want to be that, but putting it on, making it an environment that you want to be in and what helps you be. These are tools forever. They\u2019re tools forever.<\/span><\/p>\n

What makes you feel like you have a body that takes you from this, where you think this is a body above the neck to below the neck, feeling your feet at the sink, letting the water wash away how heavy you might feel. There\u2019s so many ways to poetically live your life through the kitchen.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Now, Jules, I just have to say one question about it. That person who says, \u201cLook, this all sounds great. I\u2019m enjoying listening to this podcast, but truth be told, I\u2019m in a rush. I\u2019m in a rush, I\u2019m in a rush. I mean, come on. Really?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I love that. You definitely are definitely not going to light the candle. Do not light the candle in a rush. You will be in the car wondering, \u201cDid I blow the candle out? Did I turn off the stove and oven?\u201d That\u2019s me. I love you and I love your rush. I would say, well, I would say get in the car so that you\u2019re not rushing anymore and go get something you love near your meeting. Permission and freedom all over the freaking place, because your rush isn\u2019t helping you.<\/span><\/p>\n

So what are we going to do in there? We\u2019re going to do nothing in a rush. We want to be in there. Now, if you still have a little time but you don\u2019t want to rush but you\u2019re trying, then you want to get ahead of it. I can\u2019t tell you there are so many recipes in this book that are all about getting ahead of it, using the rice cooker, the slow cooker, all the things that can work for you. I love a team. I said that already, and I mean that with our tools.<\/span><\/p>\n

So yes, this is not like, \u201cThen do this, and then do that.\u201d My work is about piercing the fantasy of anything that doesn\u2019t work and why isn\u2019t it working, \u201cOh, the story I carry says it doesn\u2019t work.\u201d \u201cOK, do you want to look at the story? No? OK, love you. See you soon. I want to look at the story.\u201d \u201cMy whole perspective has been life is hard and then you die.\u201d \u201cOK. Well, then let\u2019s talk and let\u2019s connect and get the book.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

I mean, I\u2019m not going to make you do anything. What I am inviting you to is to get closer to yourself. I want you to get closer to yourself because I can tell you when there\u2019s permission in the life, in the path, when I give myself permission, I\u2019m constantly reminding myself of my own work. When I give that longing permission, when I feel the freedom of just grabbing a Ball jar and putting whatever I love in it, water, lime, I love tea, all the things, and I bring it with me, it feels so good to be rushed in the car with something that\u2019s nourishing me. So there\u2019s so many different ways to weave being and doing inside your life in the kitchen.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>This notion of taking a Ball jar and putting something in it, you teach in the book this notion that we can create beauty water, and when we create beauty water, we have an active altar in the kitchen. Teach us how to make beauty water.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I love that. I love that you\u2019re bringing that forward. So beauty water, fraudulent alert, it is literally herbs and water. It is a cut up cucumber in water. We wait to go to the spa and we\u2019re like, \u201cOh, my God, this cucumber water.\u201d I mean, what are we doing? Break the cucumbers free out of the Trader Joe insanity, that is the Earth\u2019s demise, and cut them up and put them in some water in a Ball jar, something clear. It can be anything. It doesn\u2019t have to be a Ball jar, even though they\u2019re the best and they\u2019re at the hardware store and they\u2019re accessible financially and they\u2019re just great on all levels.<\/span><\/p>\n

You can also steep them and put boiling water in them with rosemary or thyme or anything you have growing, or maybe your neighbor\u2019s the one that grows everything. They\u2019ll be happy to give you things. It\u2019s just beauty. It\u2019s seeing beauty. When you see beauty, I mean, it is a medicine. Even when we call it the beauty way, it\u2019s like it almost gets out of reach because we don\u2019t know the beauty way unless you know the beauty way. You don\u2019t know it. So that\u2019s also fantasy alert.<\/span><\/p>\n

So how do you make beauty? It\u2019s literally as easy as rosemary, some sliced cucumber, a Ball jar. That\u2019s all that happened. Then you open the fridge, that\u2019s what happens to the person who\u2019s like, \u201cNothing\u2019s in my fridge.\u201d That\u2019s it right there. We did it. We put that in our fridge. How does that go for a week? Oh, my god, I love that. I\u2019ve had clients, their partners come home and they\u2019re like, \u201cWhat is this?\u201d It\u2019s on the kitchen island and it\u2019s like this major event. It\u2019s just cucumber water and there\u2019s other little Ball jars around it and the husband\u2019s like, \u201cThis is the most amazing thing,\u201d or the partner, and it\u2019s just beauty water. I love it.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Yes. What was amazing to me is <\/span>The Kitchen Healer: The Journey to Becoming You<\/span><\/i>, the book, it\u2019s filled with recipes sprinkled throughout, and all of them are really easy to execute. Often, when I see recipes, I think, \u201cOK, now I\u2019m going to have to get out the thing that I don\u2019t have, and the special kind of parchment paper tied with some kind of special ribbon you can put in the oven that won\u2019t go up in flames,\u201d and I just think, \u201cForget it. It\u2019s too hard.\u201d In this case, every single one of the recipes actually in here I was like, \u201cI could do that. Shoot, I could do that. I could do that.\u201d You cut through that objection that I think so many times people have. I wonder if you can just comment on that.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I just love that so much. I\u2019m so happy that you felt that. That was, I would say, the main intention of the book was that every single page is, \u201cI can do that. I can do that.\u201d I can do that is a life changer because, I mean, again, cultureless culture, here it goes again. We\u2019re coming around, we\u2019re coming around. \u201cI can\u2019t do that.\u201d There\u2019s so much we can\u2019t do, right? I don\u2019t have the twine. I don\u2019t have the, I want to call it a lamdomin, mandolin, whatever, right? I don\u2019t have that either.<\/span><\/p>\n

People are like, \u201cI\u2019ve made yogurt. You\u2019d be so proud of me.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWeird sentence slash I don\u2019t make yogurt, not yet.\u201d I mean, it\u2019s coming, I\u2019m sure, in a way that\u2019s easy. I had two kids. I\u2019m busy. Like you said, the rush, the thing, the thing, I want to create spaces to be. So in order to do that and to slow it way down, it\u2019s short prep. It\u2019s tools I love. They\u2019re right out on the counter. They\u2019re not in something that moves out and moves back in by itself. I mean, it\u2019s too much. It\u2019s like a musical, a Disney musical. I don\u2019t have the time to ice skate through my kitchen. I just want to make it easy and then do it, and then I can be it. I can do it and I can be it.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Another great example is something that you call love tea. I think you have examples of tea that\u2019s basically cinnamon and a little sweetener, and maybe some milk or alternative milk product, and we\u2019re good. We\u2019re off. We\u2019re having our love tea. I was like, \u201cEveryone can have love tea.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I love that. I love that. The cinnamon milky tea is towards the end of the book and that\u2019s like this yummy evening\u2026 We hear so much. We\u2019re just doing so much. We\u2019re trying to digest this craziness of our day or the world. I mean, take both. Warming milk, whatever it is, oat, almond, and just adding a little cinnamon. Oh, my gosh. Then the love tea, which starts the book, is any tea. I mean, you made a love tea to start out this morning and it\u2019s just, I mean, just calling something love tea makes it a love tea.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>I know, I know, I know. I definitely brought love tea to this conversation. Yes. OK. Now, I want to circle back to something. This is one of the sentences that I took out of <\/span>The Kitchen Healer<\/span><\/i>. You already referenced this thought that our grief can be healed in the kitchen, and you write, \u201cYou may never have thought grief and the kitchen could go together, yet they do. They were actually made for each other. Grief heals in the kitchen.\u201d I circled that because I thought that\u2019s so true and I want to hear more about it.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>It\u2019s so true. I love hearing you read it. It\u2019s so true. I talk about it a lot throughout the book too. There\u2019s a lot of places too\u2014when we slow down, grief\u2019s there. I mean, I don\u2019t know about you, but when I sit down to just breathe at the altar or wherever, put my face in the sun or just go out and put my feet in the soil, or I\u2019m in the kitchen at the kettle and I just give myself that. I don\u2019t go to the phone and look at the thing. I just give myself the moment at the kettle. I mean, in a minute, it could be tears.<\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019re grieving all the time. We are going so fast. I\u2019ll speak from the I. It\u2019s more powerful, and I know that it works better in relationship. I feel so much. When I slow down, I mean, it\u2019s the last thing you want to do is slow down and feel everything. Yet if you don\u2019t, you\u2019re going to be stopped somehow through something. It\u2019s just when you start to do it incrementally, it\u2019s not like, oh, you get used to it and you know how to grieve. I wish, but no, not for me, at least. It\u2019s more just like grieving is a part of it. It\u2019s a part of everything, grief, right? I mean, I don\u2019t know. I wasn\u2019t raised with that. Grief is for a certain time, for a thing. You\u2019re going to sit shiva and you\u2019re going to grieve, I mean, right? It\u2019s inside every part of my day. When I do something that didn\u2019t maybe feel right, I\u2019m like, oh, what was that about? Oh, my gosh. I didn\u2019t do … OK, I\u2019m going to make amends. OK. But in there is grief or even grief with joy. I\u2019m so grateful. The gratitude list is always longer no matter what I\u2019m going through. Oh, that also has grief in it. I mean, it\u2019s just in every moment I\u2019m slowing it down, and I invite us to do that throughout the book, just feeling my feet at the sink because I\u2019m going so fast most days.<\/span><\/p>\n

I came from that. I came from fire. I have a 9,000 moons in fire, suns in fire in my chart. So for me to slow it way down and just be, grief meets me that second. There it is. I have now come into a time of my life where I don\u2019t have a choice. I have to let it go through me. My daughter will say, \u201cAre you crying again?\u201d We\u2019ll be listening to a song in the car. I am. I won\u2019t hold onto it. I\u2019m going to let it go just like laughing. She\u2019s like, \u201cOh, Mom.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t have a norm on it like, \u201cOh, it\u2019s for later,\u201d or, \u201cIt\u2019s for death,\u201d or, \u201cI feel like I\u2019m dying and being reborn all the time.\u201d And that can happen in the kitchen, the beauty and the gratitude, and also what I\u2019m powerless over. All of it is also woven with grief. Don\u2019t you feel this way too, Tami?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>I do, and I want to keep going with this because it\u2019s one thing to be in the kitchen to stop, to pause, whether we\u2019re lighting a candle or sitting with our love tea and have the time to be and let our grief bubble up, but then\u2014and this is what really struck me about the sentence that I read out loud\u2014\u201cGrief heals in the kitchen.\u201d There\u2019s something about making a meal relating directly to fresh vegetables and seasonings. There\u2019s something about the artistic act of creating something beautiful, nourishing myself, nourishing someone else that feels really healing. That to me is part of the healing of grief through the kitchen activities.<\/span><\/p>\n

I know you pointed to how kitchen healing work is legacy work. We\u2019re working out at times grief that has come through us from our family lineages. I\u2019d love to know more from your own experience, Jules, if you could share a story of healing that\u2019s happened for you with your grief through the kitchen.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I mean, so many, so many stories, so many pieces to my grief being. I\u2019m like, even if I wrote healed, I feel like it\u2019s actively healing, right? It\u2019s so nonlinear. I would say that this is not in the book. This is the second book, Tami. Get ready. Before I wrote this book, I went through a journey of the unknown and a very, very deep journey, very close to the island of mortality. I had never been that close. I was called forward. I call it an invitation to get closer to myself. Inside that journey, which had to do with my body, it had to do with surgeries and health and also stories and healing stories through why it was coming and why it was here. So it was one of those unknown times I was diagnosed was that scary, shocking, \u201cWhat? Not ready to go. They don\u2019t know anything and there\u2019s no research for this,\u201d and it was all these words.<\/span><\/p>\n

Well, I can tell you that I had no hunger. I didn\u2019t have any hunger inside that journey. I just wanted to stay alive. I think that\u2019s all. I\u2019m just going to pray and stay alive and I\u2019m going to light a fire. I\u2019m going to light a fire. I would. So I would be in the back where you\u2019ll see it in the book where I had a fire going the whole year, cords of wood. I live in Los Angeles, as you know. So there are times in LA, you don\u2019t want to be making a fire. Also, it\u2019s hot for a lot of the months.<\/span><\/p>\n

When I was by the fire, I knew I would be OK. When I was not by the fire, I would lose that sense of being OK. Now back in the kitchen, the fire, I would turn it on and cook even if I wasn\u2019t hungry. I would just turn it on and make something as ritual because the fire is transformational. It changes thought, it changes energy, it changes cellular formation and it disperses things, right? I mean, in how much ritual and prayer do you give tobacco to the fire? You learn these rituals.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I would say that through that time, which was deeply embedded in grief and many other feelings\u2014vulnerability, fierce fear\u2014I would change every time I was by the fire. I could be more grounded. I could feel that it\u2019s going to be OK no matter what, that I\u2019m not in control. I could just sense that in my body much more than when I was just in my head, not by an element like fire that holds the medicine of change.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, for someone who\u2019s listening who says, \u201cI\u2019m going to go into my kitchen and I\u2019m going to light the burner or turn the oven on.\u201d How can they relate to that in a way that\u2019s powerful and not just like, \u201cYes, I get it. I mean, it\u2019s a change agent. Great. I hope it makes my water hot so I can drink my love tea\u201d?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>A change agent, I love that so much. Goes back to even the last few questions where you were saying about cooking and the vegetables and all the things and how healing it is. It\u2019s like when we, again, slow it way down, even in the second, just take an inhale, I\u2019m not talking about slow it way down for 40 years while you also hold a job. I\u2019m not talking about that. I\u2019m saying in the moment, and you\u2019re looking at these veggies, right? You\u2019re thinking, oh, my God! They were grown for me. They were grown for me. That\u2019s pretty profound. I think your food was grown for you to keep you here, to keep you here being an offering to the Earth, to learn what that even means, what is that unconditional relationship the Earth keeps giving to us?<\/span><\/p>\n

So when it comes to turning on the fire to the stove, to the, I always say like a mug warmer, I don\u2019t care what it is that you\u2019re turning on, and maybe you don\u2019t feel that connection just yet, but it\u2019s the seed that I\u2019m throwing out here. That\u2019s possible. It\u2019s just possible. So you might fake it till you make it, right. You\u2019re going to fake it till you make it, until you feel it. If it feels like something that is for you, again, our stories are in the way to even knowing what\u2019s for us or not. So all this is an invitation to opening up new ways of being.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Now, I said, Jules, that my experience of you, and I\u2019m meeting you here new and afresh, is that you\u2019re this supernova of love and the kitchen is the place where you express and teach us about that love. Did that supernova of love, my language, did that become further exploded through this crisis that you went through, this health crisis, and are you through it? If so, what happened? How did that change you?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>What do you mean by exploded?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Did somehow it become bigger?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>The love?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Yes. I\u2019m on borrowed time, Tami, and so are all of us. So I didn\u2019t know I was going for a PhD in my healing field and I\u2019m a yes for this life, and I let spirit know that. I am a yes for this life. So I am here to know how to do this. How can I be more of an offering to love, how can I be that vessel. So yes, did it change me? It changed everything. It\u2019s changed everything. The unknown and when things aren\u2019t researched, you\u2019re forever in that journey, which is what life is. So that heightened time of the few years that I was in that and I went through those surgeries and there was no, \u201cAmazing. You\u2019re done.\u201d It didn\u2019t come at that. I don\u2019t even know what that is and why we even do that. Even though, of course, 95 percent of people, for other people that might go through different things like, \u201cYou\u2019re going to be good.\u201d That wasn\u2019t it for me.<\/span><\/p>\n

My surgeon, who\u2019s the most phenomenal human being and totally came for me, said, \u201cIf you keep thinking that this is not over or you keep wondering like, \u2018What\u2019s next? What\u2019s next?\u2019 you\u2019re going to create something.\u201d This is an incredibly conservative surgeon. Totally for me with the language I needed to hear. So, oh, now I need to go on another journey with my mind and fear. Again, I\u2019m never graduating from this program. Forever in it, right? So it keeps me awake. Do I forget? Yes. There\u2019s a gorgeous Mark Nepo\u2026 I mean, he\u2019s incredible on a gazillion levels, and I have a quote from him in here, \u201cRemembering and forgetting is the dance,\u201d right? We\u2019re remembering and we\u2019re forgetting. We\u2019re remembering and forgetting.<\/span><\/p>\n

I can tell you that when I come back from forgetting into remembering, oh, my gosh, the grief that meets me there, it\u2019s a loving grief, but boy, it is a grief. So in the journey of that unknown, I was in remembering 24\/7. There was no forgetting. It was a hypervigilance of remembering because I wanted to be here and I was ripped to living because I\u2019m super not ready to go anywhere. So yes, maybe if I enroll forever with Pema Ch\u00f6dr\u00f6n in a dying course, I won\u2019t be afraid anymore, but I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s the case either.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>You said that you declared, \u201cI\u2019m a yes, I\u2019m a yes for this life.\u201d In <\/span>The Kitchen Healer<\/span><\/i>, you help people find their yes in some way related to the kitchen, their relationship with food. Tell me more about this whole thing of, it\u2019s like finding what is a undeniable yes for us.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Yes. I love the word yes. Here\u2019s the great news about yes. A no could totally be a yes. So it\u2019s not like yes, yes, yes, and totally be a selfless person with no self. No thanks, we did it. Done. Check. We\u2019re good on selflessness and sacrificing ourselves\u2014are so done with that story. You done with that story too?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>I\u2019m done with that story.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I think we\u2019re freaking good, and then claiming our lives. Yes is saying yes to me, yes to me. The more I heal, the more we heal. The more you heal, the more we heal. We don\u2019t come from a we culture. We don\u2019t come from a we. We don\u2019t know that. It\u2019s much more of a way back in the tribes, right? They came from the we. They had a we relationship with the Earth. It wasn\u2019t in an I. I really feel like yes is such a we word, especially when it comes in this landscape, in this terrain of just saying yes.<\/span><\/p>\n

I can say the other piece and this, of course, is through recovery language, but contrary reaction when you\u2019re like, \u201cNo, I could never do that.\u201d Now, through the journey I went on, it\u2019s like, \u201cOh, that\u2019s what you\u2019re going to do. OK, love ya.\u201d I\u2019ll hear that that is not, \u201cOK. OK, I know my resistance. I\u2019m going to have to do that too.\u201d So it\u2019s really getting to know yourself. Yes is getting to know who you are and who you\u2019re becoming. Again, it changes and it\u2019s an active creative practice. There\u2019s no period at the end. It might be a dot, dot, dot. There might be a dash, you take a minute, but I feel like it\u2019s just a run-on sentence in the best way.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Now, we talked about beauty water. We talked about love tea. One of the other things you are well known for is WBL, wood board love. Oh, wood board love, tell me about that.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Oh, way to bring it in. Tami. Wood board love is the best. Again, fraudulent alert. It\u2019s cutting up food on a wood board. Whoa. Everybody, stop what you\u2019re doing, but really do stop what you\u2019re doing. Go cut up a little something. A wood board is the Earth. Hi. How is it? There she is. Again, just coming towards us and loving us unconditionally all the time. Again, what we do for events, what we do when people are \u201ccoming over,\u201d quote, unquote, right? You\u2019re a person, you\u2019re coming over, right? What is it about us? It\u2019s like, \u201cWhat do you feel like? What do you eat?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Again, even moms with kids or when people come over, \u201cHey, what kind of tea do you want?\u201d I mean, I love that. I\u2019m coming back to wood board love in a second, but it\u2019s totally connected to getting ahead of it. Just make what you love. When I come over to you, Tami, I want you to make what you love. I want to have what you love, and then we\u2019ll know if I liked it or not. I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know if I like turmeric with oat milk and the thing. I think I will. I mean, I\u2019ve had it before, but I haven\u2019t had it from you. I\u2019m probably going to love your love tea. I want to have you. I want to be nourished by you.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I feel like when people come over or, again, when you\u2019re on your own and you have Zooms throughout the day or you you\u2019re getting started early or even\u2014wood board love really was something I did early in the morning for my kids. I still do. Of course, they\u2019re growing, and so wood board love and the culture of that is changing. It\u2019s a culture. It\u2019s creating a culture in our homes, where there\u2019s food out and then people go, \u201cOh, my God. There\u2019s food out. What about dinner? What about dadada? OK. What about dinner?\u201d It\u2019s a story we\u2019re carrying, not to eat before dinner. What? You\u2019re going to have a body later.<\/span><\/p>\n

Here\u2019s the thing. With the wood board love, you can put things in a smoothie later. They can be out. There\u2019s just, again, we\u2019re being with doing. All the things I\u2019m sharing are totally connected to wood board love. Wood board love is like a thesis of this work. It\u2019s cutting up food on a wood board. If you\u2019re having people over, if you actually are or even the play date or dadada, we\u2019re all hungry. So have something out. Great. Then cook. Then put what you\u2019re cooking on the wood board, whatever. Permission, permission, permission. We can\u2019t get enough of it to rewrite the stories we carry around waiting for food, \u201cWhat are you going to eat? What do you like? I hope it\u2019s good. Did I make it well?\u201d I mean, are you joking? Who has time?<\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019re so tired of our own thoughts in those ways and we just cut up some yummy stuff. Cut up an apple that you love. Cut up. When I go to people\u2019s homes, I\u2019m like, \u201cHere\u2019s an apple,\u201d and of course, they know me. They know it\u2019s a Japanese mitsu apple, and it\u2019s in season this next two weeks because I love that at the market. It doesn\u2019t have to be you. It could be from anywhere, but if you love it, you\u2019re offering love. Here we are again with love. We\u2019re circling around wood board love.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Introduce me to one of your wood board friends that you have in your kitchen. Describe the wood board to me, what she looks like, how big she is, why you love her?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Oh, my gosh! I mean, I love that so much. I have to get up because I\u2019m going to show you why I love her. These are in my love shop. What? Here\u2019s my heart love board that I\u2019m showing Tami, and\u2014<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Yes, it\u2019s about a foot and a half almost across, shaped like a heart.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Yes, and guess what?<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>It looks like some beautiful walnut or a beautiful type of wood.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>This is a walnut. They come in Maple. They\u2019re in the love shop on my website. They come small, they come big. What are we doing on this? We\u2019re not using it as a platter. Here\u2019s the greatest news about wood board love. We\u2019re cutting and we\u2019re staining with strawberries or whatever. We\u2019re putting the story on the board. We\u2019re cutting it. We\u2019re putting it on here. We\u2019re not moving it to the pretty thing because this is the most gorgeous thing ever. So I have them all. I have heart boards. I have round boards that I love hanging. If you have a smaller kitchen, you can get things that hang. You want to get things that are not coated. You want to get wood that\u2019s not coated.<\/span><\/p>\n

People always say, \u201cDo you balm it? Do you think?\u201d No. Do I have time? No, I\u2019m the woman rushing. I totally\u2014no, I don\u2019t have time. What\u2019s so amazing about the board is it\u2019s out, again, just like my oils or the candle. It\u2019s out. What\u2019s next to it? A bread knife because who has time to go get their knives freaking sharpened. Not me or at least not me 10 years ago. So I have a knife right there with apples in a bowl and whatever season we\u2019re in, cara-cara oranges. Grab a little cheese. Grab some hot Cheetos. I don\u2019t care. Permission everywhere.<\/span><\/p>\n

So you put them on the board. Again, for each person, single person, kids, cousins coming over, I don\u2019t care what it is, just a partner, I mean, it\u2019s an offering of love on so many levels, and definitely for yourself. It\u2019s so much easier to make something for someone else. We all know this, right? So the beauty of it is that when you can actually cut up a little something by the computer, you have your tea. Again, you\u2019re being nourished. You\u2019re nourishing yourself.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Now, I mentioned, Jules, how one of the things I love about the book, <\/span>The Kitchen Healer<\/span><\/i>: <\/span>The Journey to Becoming You<\/span><\/i>, is that the recipes and the suggestions for things that I could make in the kitchen are all things I could do. No big speed bumps, no big problems. The book is put together in a very unusual way. It\u2019s a feast. It itself is a kitchen healer meal. Describe a little bit the elements that have gone into making this unusual feast of a book.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I love that offering and I will. The beauty of being with you, Tami, and with Sounds True is that this was a pioneering effort, the book. When people would say and, of course, my agent, she said, \u201cWell, you need to know where it\u2019s going to go in the bookstore,\u201d and I\u2019m like, \u201cI mean, maybe five places,\u201d or maybe we\u2019re just pioneering a new genre called Intuitive Being, which I\u2019m super into doing.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I knew that the book had to be visual and I knew that there was deep content. So that\u2019s a pioneering effort on its own. Then the other parts of it are, the reader takes a journey if the reader wants to. Again, if they\u2019re clicking on the stove, do they want to say, \u201cHey, fire, show me the way,\u201d or do they want to just click it on like they always have? It\u2019s up to you, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

So the beauty of this is that I invite you to get closer to yourself in all different ways, because what is so important to me about any kind of healing is that it meets you right where you are. My team of healers, who I share about in this book, they meet me right where I am. There\u2019s nothing to fix and I\u2019m right on time. I wanted this book to exude that.<\/span><\/p>\n

So there\u2019s story, there\u2019s the origin story. There\u2019s pictures of my home so you can go, \u201cOh, I can do that,\u201d like Tami was sharing. There\u2019s quotes. Then there\u2019s my poetry from many, many, many years ago where I was like, \u201cHey, I\u2019m here. Just wanted to let you know, inside, early motherhood dying, not knowing what\u2019s happening. Witness me. Somebody help.\u201d So some of those poems are in here, and there\u2019s recipes like we were just sharing. Then there\u2019s something called heart work, which, when you work with me one-on-one or even on retreat, there\u2019s heart work, there\u2019s accountability. That is such an integral part of transformation, of change, is that accountability piece.<\/span><\/p>\n

So there\u2019s a lot of hard work throughout the book, which I love so much. I\u2019m asking everybody from the get go, stain this book, Sharpie it up, pen it up, put your own experience, highlight it like Tami was saying, \u201cI circled that.\u201d Circle things. It\u2019s a legacy piece just like the board. We\u2019re not going to be here forever.<\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s great news, by the way, because this is going to go to somebody else that you love or your descendant, your daughter, your son, a friend, a neighbor, whatever it is. So give it everything of you. One of the other parts of the book, another section is the Hello Body, because you have one, just in case you forgot. So I like to do that throughout the book, \u201cHey, hello, Body. Let\u2019s move this. Let\u2019s move that.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Then of course, the middle of the book, you have a body, the middle way, which is a different section than any of the other ones. Doesn\u2019t have any recipes, I think. There\u2019s a lot of quotes, and then there\u2019s so much beautiful heart work in there called Move You. I have to say, Tami, that was a little bit, I mean, it wasn\u2019t risky, but what I share in it while I\u2019m writing it is to write about moving\u2014already feels like we\u2019re separated from the body.<\/span><\/p>\n

If you come into my home and I have the music on and I\u2019m like, \u201cWe\u2019re just going to stretch and move right now while we go make a quinoa on the rice cooker,\u201d you might be into it. I mean, now you will be because I know you\u2019re slow to love, but maybe we\u2019re there now. So the point is that writing about that can be, I mean, it\u2019s like how you were speaking to me like, \u201cWhat if there\u2019s a listener saying dadada dadada?\u201d Well, yay, here\u2019s an opportunity. You may not want to do it, but then what if you do it? We won\u2019t know unless you do it, and then you\u2019ll tell us what happened. So yay for offerings. So the book has so many different\u2014and the poetry and then poetry from other people who I love. So yes, it\u2019s got a lot of different terrain.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>There\u2019s one thing you didn\u2019t mention that I particularly like about <\/span>The Kitchen Healer<\/span><\/i>, which is the end of each section has a cake recipe you can make. Let\u2019s bake a cake.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I totally didn\u2019t say that. I mean, you\u2019ve got to leave a little mystery, but the cake\u2014<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>Well, we won\u2019t tell them what kinds of cake, except I\u2019m still trying to decide which one I\u2019m going to make tomorrow, because so many of them were good suggestions. But I probably will go in the C-H-O-C-O-L-A-T-E direction because that\u2019s just the kind of person I am. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I mean, it\u2019s so good. Again, like you were saying, these are cakes that were\u2014I would be able to make them within an hour because my profession hasn\u2019t been like a kitchen blogger. I mean, I love that idea, but not all of us are doing that. So I love how accessible and doable it is because that\u2019s what I feel we need.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>To end, Jules, you write, \u201cSelf-care is we care.\u201d Go ahead and explain that. How is self-care, taking out the wood board for myself to cut the apple up and beautifully display it for myself, how is that we care?<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I mean, if you\u2019re not fed, we\u2019re screwed. I don\u2019t know. I mean, Tami, you run Sounds True. I need you to be nourished. OK.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>No, no. You don\u2019t want me hangry. You don\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>I really don\u2019t. So I mean, it\u2019s a really simple answer. It\u2019s like I grew up in a home of origin that was hungry, who was looking at me and reflecting me or who wasn\u2019t was hungry. I mean, yay for becoming a kitchen healer, and lots of pain in there too and grief. Yay. Go team. So the piece about us caring for ourselves, I mean, it\u2019s a modeling. We have to feed ourselves in order for others to know how to feed themselves.<\/span><\/p>\n

Of course, motherhood is that journey. I mean, you hear it, you hear it, you hear it, but until you start to actually do it and then become it, I mean, they\u2019re experiential. I will never be able to find the words of what it will feel like for you. You have to do that part. So what I\u2019m saying is, \u201cHey, I\u2019ve been doing this a bit forever, and I would love for you to experience this because what I found is this.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

When I make a wood board for myself or I make whatever I did before I came on, a little soft scrambled egg or, or, or to get onto here\u2014even what I\u2019m calling in or what I\u2019m asking spirit to be with me and to even share in the podcast is going to be different than if I didn\u2019t or if I hadn\u2019t eaten, right? If I came here hungry, then I\u2019m really not being true. Well, I\u2019m definitely not being true to what I\u2019m even speaking about, but also, it literally changes everything. We\u2019re so separated from our cells being fed with nutritious things we love into, \u201cWhat should I be doing? What could fix this?\u201d We\u2019re so separated from it.<\/span><\/p>\n

So my ask is that as you care for you, you care for me, and I\u2019ll say the last bit from that unknown journey that I\u2019m still on in the realms of the beautiful medicine that came from it, not inside the center of it, it was like if people would say to me, \u201cWhat can I bring you? What do you need?\u201d and I literally would say to them, \u201cI need you to heal. I need you to yell. I don\u2019t need a casserole.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

I could also use probably some new underwear. When people come for a dinner, they\u2019re like, \u201cWhat can I bring?\u201d And I\u2019m like, \u201cBring what you love and a T-shirt you love.\u201d You know what I mean? I\u2019m not at the store trying things on, but I got the food down. So really, it\u2019s like asking for what we want. How do we know who we are? How do we become who we are? We become who we are when we\u2019re nourished.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS: <\/b>I\u2019ve been speaking with Jules Blaine Davis. She\u2019s the kitchen healer and she\u2019s the author of a new book called <\/span>The Kitchen Healer: The Journey to Becoming You<\/span><\/i>, a beautiful book, a beautiful resource. The book itself is a living altar. You can offer yourself to it and turn to so many different pages and options. I just turned to oatmeal in the rice cooker as I was breezing through the book right here and carrot ginger soup, quinoa in the rice cooker. Altars everywhere. Jules, thank you. Thank you so much for you. Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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JBD: <\/b>Thank you, Tami. This was amazing.<\/span><\/p>\n

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