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Tami Simon:<\/b> Hello, friends. My name\u2019s Tami Simon, and I\u2019m the founder of Sounds True. And I want to welcome you to the Sounds True podcast, <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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Welcome to <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>. Our special guest today, Anita Moorjani. About six months ago, I was talking to Michael Beckwith, the reverend of the Agape Church, and we were talking about out-of-body experiences. And he could tell that I was really interested and I had a lot of questions, and he said to me, \u201cTami, you have got to meet Anita Moorjani.\u201d And that moment is happening now here on <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>. Anita, welcome. And I\u2019m going to say a little bit more about you. But first, welcome.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Anita Moorjani:<\/b> Thank you. And I just want to say it\u2019s an honor to be here and to meet you finally.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Anita has an absolutely remarkable story, and she tells it in her <\/span>New York Times<\/span><\/i> bestseller, <\/span>Dying to Be Me<\/span><\/i>. I\u2019m going to summarize here in four sentences, and then we\u2019re going to have the opportunity to dive deep and experience the essence of the story through Anita\u2019s telling, and then also see where it\u2019s taken her over the last ten-plus years.<\/span><\/p>\n

OK, here\u2019s my four sentences. After a four-year battle with cancer, Anita fell into a coma and was given days to live. As her doctors gathered to revive her, she journeyed into a near death experience where she was given a choice: to return to her physical form or continue in this new realm. She chose the former\u2014I guess I could add\u2014obviously. And when she regained consciousness\u2014now this really is quite remarkable\u2014her cancer began to heal. To the amazement of her doctors, she was free of countless tumors and cancer indicators within weeks.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dying to Be Me<\/span><\/i> is a book that came out in 2012 and\u2014ready for this?\u2014has sold more than two million copies and has been translated into 45 languages. Anita\u2019s subsequent books include <\/span>What if This Is Heaven?<\/span><\/i> and a new book. It\u2019s about the power of empaths in an increasingly harsh world. It\u2019s called <\/span>Sensitive Is the New Strong<\/span><\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n

OK, Anita, here\u2019s where I\u2019d love to start. I\u2019m sure you\u2019ve told the story of your near death experience so many times that it\u2019s probably become legend in your own mind. But please take us there, if you will. Take us into the experience.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> OK, it\u2019s a great place to start. So basically, I was in my final hours of life. The doctors told my family at this point\u2014so the point where I\u2019m starting is when the doctors told my family that I wasn\u2019t even going to make it through the night because I was already in a coma. My physical body had gone into a coma. And at that point, after having cancer for four years\u2014it was lymphoma, lymphatic cancer. I had tumors, many of them the size of golf balls, from the base of my skull, all around my neck, down under my arms, in my chest, and all the way down to my abdomen.<\/span><\/p>\n

At that point, my body had stopped absorbing nutrition. And so I had been losing weight, and my muscles had become completely atrophied because there was no nutrition in my body. So I looked like a skeleton. I weighed about 85 pounds, and I\u2019m 5’4″. And I was so weak that I wasn\u2019t able to stand up, and this was before I went into the coma. I wasn\u2019t even able to stand up and hold my own weight up. And even when I was sitting, I couldn\u2019t hold my head up. My head was always hanging down on my neck. Even my neck didn\u2019t have the strength to hold my head up, but I had these great tumors around my neck.<\/span><\/p>\n

My lungs were filled with fluid. So when I would lie down and I would lie flat, I would choke on my own fluid. And I had open skin lesions where toxins were coming out of my skin. And so subsequently, I went into a coma because I was in so much pain and so much fear, and I had been fighting and fighting to stay alive. But I reached a point where it felt like this life wasn\u2019t worth fighting for anymore because I felt staying alive was so painful, that death can\u2019t be any worse.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so I felt myself letting go. And all the days prior to this, I even had had trouble sleeping at night because I couldn\u2019t lie flat, because I would choke on my own fluid. I was in so much pain and fear that I was on morphine.<\/span><\/p>\n

But finally when I let go, I went into a coma, and I actually left my physical body. But what happened is that the doctors told my family that I was now in a coma and that my organs were shutting down.<\/span><\/p>\n

And as I went into a coma, my body started to swell up, and they told my family that this is a result of my kidneys shutting down. And so my body was now swelling up and my organs were now shutting down one by one. And they told my family that I wouldn\u2019t even make it through the night.<\/span><\/p>\n

But even though my physical body was in the coma and my eyes were closed, I was aware of everything that was happening, everything that was happening in the room that my body was in. And I wasn\u2019t viewing it with physical eyes. It was more like a 360-degree peripheral awareness. And I could hear, see, and feel everything that was happening in the room and beyond. I could see my mom was there, my husband. And I could even see my brother who was not in the room, but he was in another country trying to get on a flight to get to me before I died.<\/span><\/p>\n

I could hear everything the doctors were saying, and what they were telling my husband, and what they were doing to my body. I was aware that they were drawing blood or they were removing fluid from my lungs. And then I felt my awareness, or my soul, or whatever we want to call it expand and go further and further or higher and higher.<\/span><\/p>\n

You see, words don\u2019t do it justice because we don\u2019t have the right words in our language. But my soul or essence was expanding, and I became aware of a reality beyond this one where I was aware that I was surrounded by other beings. And these beings, I recognized some of them as my deceased loved ones. And I felt as though I was just enveloped in this feeling of just pure unconditional love, just this amazing feeling of unconditional love. And these beings were familiar to me, although I didn\u2019t recognize all of them from this life.<\/span><\/p>\n

But I recognized my dad who had passed ten years prior, and my best friend had passed two years prior from cancer. And there they were on the other side, greeting me among other beings as well.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I also reached what I call the state of clarity, where I understood why I had got the cancer. I understood how it was that all the thoughts and decisions and choices that I had made in my life had led me to this point of lying there on that hospital bed dying.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I also reached a point where\u2014and a lot happened with my dad, which we can unpack as we move forward. I was in this coma for about 30 hours, so a little under a day and a half. But I did reach a point where I felt as though I was given a choice as to whether I wanted to go back into my physical body or whether I wanted to stay in that realm.<\/span><\/p>\n

Now, no part of me wanted to come back into my physical body, because my body was struggling. I had been struggling. And I was in so much pain and fear, and my family were suffering taking care of me. So no part of me wanted to come back.<\/span><\/p>\n

But I started to become aware that I, and in fact, all of us are more powerful than we have ever been led to believe. And if I chose to come back, that my physical body would heal.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I started to also understand\u2014and it was my dad who was communicating with me a lot. I started to understand that if I came back, my body would heal. And that my purpose\u2014I started to understand that I hadn\u2019t completed my purpose yet. And I realized that my husband Danny, his purpose and my purpose were linked. And if I didn\u2019t come back, he wouldn\u2019t be able to complete his purpose either.<\/span><\/p>\n

But yet, I wasn\u2019t being forced to come back. I still felt that I was being enticed, but not forced. And I felt that if I did not come back here and I stayed on that side, my husband Danny would probably join me not long after, because he wouldn\u2019t be able to complete his purpose either.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I understood also that because the doctors had said my organs were now shutting down and my kidneys had already shut down, and they had already taken the tests to show whether this was permanent or not, I understood that if I chose to come back, the tests would come back showing that my organs were starting to function again. But if I chose to stay in that realm, the tests would actually come back showing that it was death due to organ failure, due to end-stage cancer. In other words, the tests would show that I had organ failure if I chose to stay in that realm.<\/span><\/p>\n

So my decision whether to come back or not actually would\u2019ve been able to alter the test results of the tests that were already taken. And so time was not linear on the other side. And I was aware of other lifetimes that I had had with my husband, with my brother, with my mom, and the connections I had. But I could see these lifetimes all at once, not sequentially. So it was like time is not linear when we are outside of our physical bodies.<\/span><\/p>\n

And there was just this incredible clarity where I understood why I had got sick. And I understood that I had a purpose, I had a mission. I understood that I was more powerful than I had ever been led to believe.<\/span><\/p>\n

And during my life, my dad and I had a very turbulent relationship. And he brought me up with a lot of fear. And my parents are Hindu, and I grew up in a very multicultural society. I grew up in Hong Kong. I went to a British school. Hong Kong is a Chinese city, but I went to a British school with British classmates. And I spoke Chinese. I spoke English, fluent English at school, but my parents spoke to me in our Indian dialect. So I spoke three languages simultaneously. But my parents wanted to groom me for an arranged marriage as I was growing up, but I didn\u2019t want an arranged marriage.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I grew up with a tremendous amount of strictness and fear, fear of disapproval, fear of being disliked. And so my parents groomed me for an arranged marriage, and eventually I did get engaged to someone in an arranged situation. And when I was in that situation, I realized I could not live the rest of my life with this man because I would lose all my freedom. I would have to be a stay-at-home wife. I was not allowed to work. I was not allowed to do anything without his permission and without his approval. I was not allowed to go back and study or anything. And I had these big dreams that I wanted to travel the world.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I ran away from that arrangement, which brought a lot of shame to my family, and it brought a lot of shame to his family. And I was told that no Indian man would marry me after what I had done.<\/span><\/p>\n

So now here I was in this other realm, face-to-face if you will, but we don\u2019t have faces. It was facing my dad\u2019s essence, and my essence. And all I felt from my dad was pure unconditional love, when I thought I would be judged by him for what I had done because I\u2019d brought him so much shame.<\/span><\/p>\n

And it felt like he understood everything that I wanted him to know, and I understood him. I understood that when we cross over, that we not only leave behind our physical bodies. But we also leave behind our gender, our race, our religion, our culture, our beliefs. We leave all of it behind, and the only thing that crosses over is our pure essence, which is pure love, or pure God, or pure consciousness. So here was my dad\u2019s consciousness and my consciousness, and we understood each other. And when you\u2019re pure consciousness, there\u2019s no judgment. There\u2019s only love.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so it was my dad that wanted me to know that I need to go back, that I had a purpose waiting for me, and I had some gifts waiting for me, and that I had suffered enough.<\/span><\/p>\n

So during my life, it was my dad who had instilled fear in me. And during death, it was my dad who set me free from that fear because he said, \u201cNow that you know who you truly are, go back and live your life fearlessly.\u201d And that\u2019s when I started to come out of the coma.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Anita, there\u2019s so much in your story that I\u2019m practically, but not actually, jumping out of my skin. But here\u2019s what I want to know. You said that you couldn\u2019t have met your dad face-to-face, but it was essence to essence. How did you recognize, what was the form of recognition? Like, \u201cThis is my father\u201d? People say all the time when you die, you\u2019re going to meet these other people who have previously deceased you. And I think, what\u2019s that actually going to be like, that meeting?<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> Yes. So what happens is that you recognize them because it\u2019s almost like, and it\u2019s so hard to explain, but if you imagine somebody drops a thought into your mind, so you are aware that the physical body is not there, but yet you see it. You are given the visual image of who it is. So you have the visual image, but yet you know it\u2019s not a physical body. And it\u2019s almost like two essences or two souls or two spirits merging. It\u2019s almost like if you were to see two clouds of smoke emerging, but each one has full awareness of who the other one is, like they have the image of who that other one is. And I\u2019m going to say \u201cimage in their mind,\u201d but again, what is mind? We don\u2019t have physical organs.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, you mentioned that there was your father, there was a friend who had passed recently, some other potential essences that you recognized, and then several that you didn\u2019t. And I\u2019m curious to know, once you reinhabited your body and the cancer healed, what has been your ongoing relationship with these forces of guidance and support for you? Are they present right now? Are you in touch with them regularly? How does that work for you?<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> So yes, I am in touch with them regularly. Now, I like to think that we all have access to this. And this is what I like to think, that we all have access to our loved ones. But yes, this awoken in me or brought an awareness in me that I am surrounded by these beautiful beings who are helping me and guiding me and wanting me to succeed, wanting me and us to contribute to our evolution and to uplift the planet and each other, and to uplift in our evolution of the human race. This is what I feel all the time. But my awareness was drawn to it from the time I had the near death experience. And it hasn\u2019t gone. I still feel them.<\/span><\/p>\n

Two years ago, two and a half years ago to two years ago, I experienced a feeling of, I\u2019ll call it burnout, where I just completely burned out. I was so tired and so sick, and I had to cancel all my public appearances because I felt the demands were getting too much and too big for me. And I just got really sick. I had all these physical symptoms. I had to go to the doctors. I had to go for tests. And people were saying, \u201cIs the cancer coming back?\u201d But at that time, I was so depleted I actually just said to all these guides, \u201cOK, what now? Is it time for me to really cross over?\u201d And there they were. I could hear them, I could feel them, and they said, \u201cNo, it\u2019s time for you to change course a little bit. We\u2019re going to, I guess, uplevel you a little bit.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

And so I started to notice that the guidance started revving up more, but I think I knew what to look for. They have never left me. And I always say that even when we don\u2019t feel they\u2019re there, they are always there. It\u2019s just that we don\u2019t know what to look for. And I can even give you clues as to how\u2014<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Please, please give us clues.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> OK, so here\u2019s the first thing that I believe why people struggle with getting in touch with that guidance system that we have, our loved ones on the other side. The first thing is that when you are in the state of fear, in the state of depression, in the state of turmoil, in this turbulent state that has become what the human race has become in recent times, it actually pushes you further away from your loved ones and your guides and even your soul\u2019s purpose that is constantly trying to communicate with you. The best way to get in touch with them is when you can actually meet them, even meet them halfway.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I would say a way of looking at it, and some of these terms are so clich\u00e9, but I\u2019m going to use them. There is a frequency at which we operate. And these beings\u2026 so what happened is when I was able to be aware of them\u2014\u201csee\u201d them, for want of a better word, but without physical eyes\u2014when I was able to be aware of them, it was not as if they were a million miles away. It was as if they existed right here in front of me, but my eyes were not of the right frequency to be able to see them. My physical eyes were not viewing of the right frequency.<\/span><\/p>\n

And you know how it is that animals can see things that we can\u2019t, dogs can hear frequencies that we can\u2019t. It\u2019s exactly that. Our biology does not operate on the right frequency to be able to see them. But we can perceive them when we operate or raise our frequency.<\/span><\/p>\n

And what lowers our frequency? Divisiveness, fear, anxiety, depression. And where are we right now with everything that we keep being bombarded with on media, social media, mainstream media? We\u2019re all vibing at the frequency of fear. And so we are being pushed further and further away from this ability to be able to connect with that.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so this is what my message has been is that you need to quiet down those voices out here, the aggressive voices out here in the world, because those are the voices that separate you from your truth. What you\u2019re getting bombarded with in this physical world separates you from your truth, and who you truly are, and your connection to your soul and your purpose. But when you can quiet those voices and tune inward and consciously raise your frequency by doing things like\u2014certain music can raise your frequency, joy raises your frequency, laughter, being with people you love, being with your pets, being out in nature. I mean, there\u2019s so much you can do. And if you can do that more and more, you\u2019ll start to hear them trying to communicate with you, and you\u2019ll start to notice your life change.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Can you describe for me right here in this present moment experience what your connectivity with these beings of guidance, what that\u2019s like for you right here, right now?<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> OK, so let me put it as tangible as I can. I get thoughts dropped into my head that feel like, \u201cAha, I should do this.\u201d It\u2019s almost like I get confirmation. Sometimes I\u2019m pondering something or questioning something. I\u2019ll say, \u201cShould I go in this direction or that direction?\u201d And I will get a thought to an image in my head as to which direction to go.<\/span><\/p>\n

But the other thing that happens, what happens is that I will get a thought to maybe contact a particular person, and it\u2019ll turn out that person will say exactly the right thing that I need to hear that will take me to my next step. Or I\u2019ll get the thought to turn on the radio, which I do through Alexa. I\u2019ll say, \u201cAlexa,\u201d and I\u2019ll tell her to play my favorite station. That thought will come to me, and there will be a song with exactly the words that will actually create a thought in my head. And I\u2019ll be like, \u201cOh, that\u2019s interesting.\u201d And I\u2019ve started to recognize it, and it takes it happening over and over for you to recognize it.<\/span><\/p>\n

But the thing that I consciously do is that I consciously do not listen to much of the news. I really don\u2019t. I don\u2019t listen to a lot of the political stuff that happens. Maybe just once a week for a few hours at the most, just to know what\u2019s happening.<\/span><\/p>\n

So the more important thing is to tune down or to tone down the things that take you into this space of fear, and then find things that really uplift you. So that\u2019s the first thing. And then when you\u2019re in that state, when even you\u2019re doing mundane tasks, like you could be washing the dishes or doing laundry or ironing, or just doing mundane tasks, or even walking your dog if you have one, or even having a shower, that\u2019s when I get these thoughts that keep getting dropped in.<\/span><\/p>\n

But here\u2019s the second thing I do. I will actually ask for signs. So when I make a decision to do something, I\u2019ll actually say, \u201cCan you give me a confirmation that I\u2019m on the right path?\u201d And then sure enough, there will be a confirmation. Something will come in my path to actually show me that yes, this is the right choice, this is the right decision. Something will pop up that\u2019s so random, as I said, like a song. Or an animal will show itself that\u2019ll signify something that I was thinking.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now you mentioned that part of what informed your decision to reinhabit your body\u2014your body then went through its healing process, and you\u2019re here now\u2014had to do with realizing your purpose and expressing your gifts. And I could make a guess at what I think your purpose and your gifts are, but I\u2019d rather hear it from you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> So one other thing I just failed to say when you asked about how it feels for me, also it feels for me, and I was hesitant to say this, but it almost feels for me like I do hear voices. I do hear it\u2019s as though somebody is talking to me. So that\u2019s the other thing. And so that\u2019s what I usually ask for confirmation, \u201cIs this my own voice or someone else?\u201d And then I get the signs.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

But yes, you\u2019re saying what is my purpose and what are my gifts? My purpose is that\u2014I believe that my purpose is to teach people how to embody love in a fear-based world and to teach people how to alleviate that fear, to get over that fear, to overcome that fear. Because as we do that, we expand our own energy field. And the more we expand our energy field, the more we are impacting the whole: the whole world, the whole planet. Right now as a planet, as a whole, we have a very, I would say, a somewhat depressed energy field. And it\u2019s like if you were to say the planet is one living organism, if the planet is one living organism just like a human body is one living organism, the planet is sick. And if each human on the planet is a cell, like a cell on your body\u2014so when we say your body is sick, like if we say the physical body has cancer, what that means is that the sick cells are replicating faster than the healthy cells.<\/span><\/p>\n

This is what I see that sometimes seems to be happening on this planet. The sick cells are replicating faster than the healthy cells. And what that means to me is that the fear-based energy or the fear-based people are spreading the fear faster than the opposite, which is the love-based, the people who are here to share love and to share light and to share upliftment. So the fear seems to sometimes be spreading faster than the love.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so in order to heal the planet, we have to spread the love and share that and uplift so that spreads faster. And that\u2019s what it means to go into healing. That\u2019s kind of how I see it, and that\u2019s what I see as my purpose into contributing, doing my best into contributing to that.<\/span><\/p>\n

Because the gift I brought back for myself from the other side is that I seem to understand how the energy dynamics work and the importance of expanding the more love-based or positive energy, or the more higher-frequency energies. I seem to understand that. And also, I guess the other gift I have\u2014I\u2019m curious to hear your thoughts\u2014is the intuition or the intuitiveness that I\u2019ve brought back with me. And the guidance, and the ability to feel guided and to follow that.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Well, what I noticed is hearing you say the words \u201cembodying love in a fear-based world.\u201d I wrote that down, and I thought that\u2019s what I want to do. And I\u2019m so happy to have Anita here helping us. And I think that is a big part of your gift, is that you\u2019re living on purpose and you\u2019re doing it. Which brings me to this question about embodying love in a fear-based world. My perception, and I\u2019m curious what you have to say about this, is that in the last few years, it\u2019s gotten harder to do that. It feels harder. And I\u2019m wondering if you have a sense of that and what you make of that.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> Yes. I do know it\u2019s gotten harder, but I can see why it\u2019s gotten harder. It\u2019s because up until now, in our evolution, I see that the way that we have come to where we are, the way that we have evolved, is through fear. And we have evolved to this point through all our messages are fear-based messages, but we have become a race that have become somewhat ruthless in our progress in this world, the way that we operate in this world. We have become very competitive.<\/span><\/p>\n

Because mentally, emotionally, and psychologically, we come from a belief of scarcity. And one of the values that we get taught from the time that we\u2019re really young is that there isn\u2019t enough to go around, so you have to compete with everybody else to get ahead. That is one of the core fundamental values that has been ingrained in us for our survival.<\/span><\/p>\n

But what we\u2019re finding today is that that value is actually leading us to our own destruction, because it has made us competitive. It has made us ruthless in trying to get ahead of everyone, because we believe there isn\u2019t enough to go around. All of these are myths. They\u2019re not true.<\/span><\/p>\n

And as a result of this value that there isn\u2019t enough to go around, and so we have to get ahead of everyone else. We have to compete with everyone else. And as a result of being ruthless, what\u2019s happened is that in this world, we value traits such as ruthlessness and people who win at all costs and competitiveness.<\/span><\/p>\n

And if somebody is empathic or compassionate or sensitive, we see them as weak. And we say that you have to grow a thicker skin, and boys don\u2019t cry. And we say, \u201cYou\u2019ll never get anywhere. Don\u2019t be so sensitive. The sensitive come last,\u201d and so on. We have all these sayings, and we shame people who are empathic and compassionate, and we actually revere people who are ruthless, competitive, and win at all costs. And we vote them into power, into leadership roles, and they become our presidents. And then we wonder why the world is in the shape it\u2019s in.<\/span><\/p>\n

So basically, what I see is that there are two sides to this. There is a divisiveness happening, and I see an emergence of a new way of thinking where there are some people who can see this, who can see exactly what I\u2019m saying to you right now, where we are starting to value empathy. We realize the world needs more of it. We\u2019re starting to value kindness. We\u2019re starting to value conscious businesses and working in a way where it\u2019s a win-win for everyone, where we value the planet and the people on it. And these are the empaths among us. So there are those who are here to change the world.<\/span><\/p>\n

But then there are still those who are from the old paradigm, who are actually wanting to hold on even harder. They\u2019re trying even harder to fight back because they are so scared to lose that competitive edge, if you see what I mean.<\/span><\/p>\n

So this is what\u2019s created this divisiveness. And as those from the older paradigm fear losing this because they see this emergence of a new way of being and a new way of thinking, so they\u2019re afraid of losing this, they fight back even harder. They\u2019re fighting back even harder to hold on to this old paradigm. Whereas the new way that I see is that we need to actually have a different metric by which we measure strength.<\/span><\/p>\n

I think for the future human, for the future survival of the planet, we need to define strength differently. We need to recognize that traits such as compassion, empathy, sensitivity, kindness, we need to define those traits as being strengths for the survival of our own planet, instead of seeing them as weaknesses.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now, I want to talk about having these two realities alive in each of us to some degree. And I\u2019ll speak for myself just confessionally for a moment, which is one of the things that I\u2019ve deeply been focused on in the last two years\u2014and I don\u2019t think I recognized until this moment potentially, Anita, how it\u2019s part of a greater collective evolutionary process\u2014is how from my own inherited family line, there\u2019s views about scarcity around money and competitiveness, and that that still lives in me. And I\u2019m trying to work it out. I\u2019m trying to grow beyond it. And the part of me that lives in this tremendously creative, compassionate, abundant world, I want it to become not just 80% or 85, or I want it to really take over the whole\u2014but it hasn\u2019t. So what I\u2019d like to know from you is for those of us who are working out our own historical, whether it\u2019s a family lineage or it still lives in us, entrenchment in that scarcity perspective, how do we move beyond it?<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> That\u2019s such a great question, because you\u2019re describing how I was as well. So first of all, what I would tell you is recognize that you are somebody who is aware, who is conscious. You are someone who wants to do good for the planet. So you are on the side of the paradigm that wants to awaken people. That\u2019s why you do the work you do, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

So the second thing I would want you to know is because you care so much for the people of the planet and the evolution of the planet\u2014because not everybody is like you or me, and this is the point. We want there to be more people like you, and this is how we would get to the tipping point, for there to be more people like you. You have to recognize that, in fact, the conscious awareness that you have, even what you just described to me as to what\u2019s entrenched in you. And so of course, you do sometimes have to be competitive to get ahead. But even when you\u2019re doing it, you\u2019re doing it with awareness. You\u2019re doing it with an awareness that, \u201cHow can I balance this and still help the planet?\u201d There\u2019s this struggle going on within you.<\/span><\/p>\n

Now, if you were somebody who was really ruthless, who really was what you are afraid of being, they would not even have the awareness you just displayed. They would not care. They would just be about getting ahead. And I\u2019m talking about the people who perhaps have no problems with running a sweatshop and making money off the backs of poor people. There\u2019s a lot of that that happens in this world. And those are the ones that fear this change the most, because the only way they know how to be successful is under threat if people like you or I suddenly become more powerful in the world.<\/span><\/p>\n

So basically what you have to do, people like yourself, people who follow you, who listen to you, who read\/listen to the work you put out, you are the ones we need more of, because you are aware of this shifting or this split. But you need to be aware that you are the ones we need more of.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so the second thing is to really remember that while you are thinking of the planet and evolving the planet, you really, really need to think of yourself. And you really need to do what makes you feel joyful and what makes you feel passionate. And if you are starting to feel that this world, the duality of this world, the strife of this world is starting to get very difficult, and it\u2019s starting to bring you down, and it\u2019s starting to make you struggle, you need to then be aware that the world actually needs you to vibe at a higher frequency. Which means it\u2019s time for you to pull away from the struggle, even if it feels selfish. You need to pull away from that struggle and do what it takes to make yourself happy and joyful and fulfilled again. I mean, I hope what I\u2019m saying right now is making sense to you, because I\u2019m thinking in my head there\u2019s so many directions I can go with this question.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Well, it is making sense and you\u2019re picking up on a theme from your book <\/span>Sensitive Is the New Strong<\/span><\/i>, which I think is so important too, which is how people who are extraordinarily empathic\u2014I\u2019m not putting myself necessarily in that category, but I think many of the listeners are\u2014and that we come to a place where we\u2019re very concerned with other people, pleasing other people. And you talk about how we need other people to feel good so we can feel OK, and we leave ourselves out of the equation. And so I wonder if you can speak more about that, particularly in light of the people who are listening who are highly empathic people.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> OK, so that\u2019s great. So what I want to do is I want to share with you a little bit about what happened with me. As a highly empathic person, I didn\u2019t know I was an empath when I was growing up. It wasn\u2019t a thing. It wasn\u2019t something that was even brought to my awareness. Not knowing that I was an empath\u2014and it\u2019s very natural for empaths to be attracted to spiritual teachings and spiritual messages.<\/span><\/p>\n

But the spiritual messages of that time were messages where I learned that the ego is bad and I had to overcome the ego. And I learned that it\u2019s better to give than to receive and that I had to be of service. I had to live a life of service. I learned that I had to do good works all the time to build a good karma. All this was the result of all the spiritual teachings I was attracted to.<\/span><\/p>\n

Now at the same time, while I\u2019m attracted to all these spiritual teachings, I eventually get cancer. So I\u2019m already an empath. I\u2019m already putting everybody else\u2019s needs before me. I\u2019m already a people pleaser. I\u2019m already a doormat. And then I get cancer. And I don\u2019t realize, because I don\u2019t have the understanding at that time, is that the reason I got cancer was because I had repressed myself so much. I dimmed my life so much that my soul was crying out, and so my body develops this illness.<\/span><\/p>\n

But anyway, not realizing that, I started getting into spiritual teachings and seeing teachers and gurus who told me that it must be my bad karma. The reason why I got cancer must\u2019ve been my bad karma. So I had to learn to be more giving and be of more service to everybody and see God in everybody else\u2019s eyes to reduce the bad karma. And so here I was completely depleted already, being told to deplete myself even more.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so what happens? I die. And only in death do I realize that my brand of spirituality at that time or maybe the brand that was a current for the world at that time was actually killing me. And I needed the opposite message. I needed messages to tell me that, \u201cYou are powerful. In your case, your ego is an ally, not an enemy, because you need to have a positive sense of self.\u201d I needed to know that I was powerful beyond belief, that I matter.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so there I was seeing God in everyone else\u2019s eyes. But in death, I realized that I had never seen God in my own eyes. And I realized that was the most important thing I could do for myself.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I learned that all of us are an expression of God. And if people have issues with the word \u201cGod,\u201d it doesn\u2019t matter. We can use the word \u201cconsciousness.\u201d We can use the word \u201cessence,\u201d whatever we want. But let\u2019s say all of us are an expression of pure consciousness, every single one of us.<\/span><\/p>\n

So when you repress yourself, when you kill your ego, when you deny who you are, you are actually denying God or consciousness from expressing itself through you. And for me, that realization is what really helped me, is that as much as you, and you, and you, and everybody is a piece of God or an expression of consciousness, so am I. And I have to honor that as well. That was my biggest lesson.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> There\u2019s a quote that I pulled from your writing. \u201cYou either have to swim against yourself, or be willing to swim against the crowd to be yourself,\u201d and that this is part of this notion of becoming unapologetically who we are. And I wanted to find out, in recent years, how have you had to swim against the crowd, if you\u2019ve had to? How have you done that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> I have had to swim against the crowd for some time, probably since I had the near death experience at least. And in so many ways, when I first came out of the near death experience, I wasn\u2019t understood.<\/span><\/p>\n

I thought, mistakenly after coming out of the near death experience, I thought everybody would want to hear about what I experienced on the other side. I thought if it healed my cancer\u2014because I healed very quickly after that. I thought if it healed me, surely it\u2019s going to help everyone. Surely people are going to be interested so that they can apply it to everyone. But I was really wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n

I healed quickly, and the doctors, they were amazed. They didn\u2019t know what to make of it, but they just put it down to a spontaneous remission. But when I started to say, \u201cNo, I actually understood what happened. I understood,\u201d and I started talking about what I experienced on the other side, and they said, \u201cNo, that was the drugs playing havoc with your brain. That was your brain coming up with all these stories.\u201d And I said, \u201cNo, I\u2019m sure it wasn\u2019t, because it made so much sense to me.\u201d It\u2019s about truly being unapologetically you and going on a journey to find out who you are, and having meaning in your life, and knowing that your life matters. And I mean, there was just so much that I wanted to unpack and share.<\/span><\/p>\n

But even my friends started to say that, \u201cNo, you have to start living in the real world again. This is all delusional mumbo jumbo,\u201d because I started to say, \u201cYou can\u2019t work at a job that you hate just to pay the bills. You\u2019re here for a reason. Find something where it feeds your soul and start to find your soul\u2019s purpose.\u201d And people were like, \u201cNo, you got to get into the real world. We have rents to pay.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

So I did have to swim against the crowd. I did have to leave behind a few people. I lost a few friends. I had to move out of my neighborhood and move into a new city, a new town. My husband was so supportive, though, where we met new people who didn\u2019t know the person I was before. It\u2019s much harder when you\u2019re around people who knew who you were before. So I had to swim against the crowd.<\/span><\/p>\n

But here\u2019s what\u2019s interesting. What\u2019s happened is ten years on, the very same people who said I was delusional\u2014I had to swim against the crowd so that I could be myself, because I was not going to go back and be the person I used to be, because that was the person that got cancer. Those very same people now contact me from who I knew before and they\u2019re like, \u201cOh my God, I love your life. I love the way you\u2019re living life, and you\u2019re helping so many people. I wish you\u2019d help me, because I\u2019m struggling. I\u2019m struggling with the world and with my life.\u201d And that\u2019s where I have to say to them, \u201cI guess you have to be delusional,\u201d because that\u2019s what they all thought I was at that time.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Can you share with us your explanation of becoming someone who merged with this great love, and then your body started changing when you came back? How do you understand the body so quickly responding to this change of state of your consciousness? How do you understand the mechanism behind that?<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> So I see the body, since I\u2019ve had this experience, I see the body as being a reflection of our state of consciousness. And I\u2019m very careful about saying this, because immediately, that makes anybody who\u2019s sick feel like, \u201cOh my God, I must be in a terrible state of consciousness.\u201d And I don\u2019t want anybody to feel ashamed if they\u2019re going through an illness, because even I\u2019ve had health challenges since then.<\/span><\/p>\n

So when I say it\u2019s a reflection, it does not mean that every time you\u2019re sick, you\u2019re doing something. Because you could be a spiritual teacher and a spiritual leader, and you could still get sick. And two years ago, I did have a health challenge. So it doesn\u2019t mean it never happens.<\/span><\/p>\n

But what I do see is that\u2014particularly, I have to say, with sensitive people and empaths\u2014I\u2019ve noticed a lot of people, because they\u2019re sensitive, they feel their bodies reacting to surroundings, reacting to their emotions.<\/span><\/p>\n

So basically, our physical bodies react quite quickly to our surroundings. And what it means, it\u2019s not your fault. But sometimes, it means that maybe you are being too compassionate. You are putting other people too much ahead of yourself. You are being a doormat. In other words, it\u2019s not something to be shameful about, but it is something to be aware that it\u2019s possible.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so this is particularly, if you\u2019re an empath and you\u2019re struggling with your physical health, it means you really do need to start putting yourself first. So I do see that certainly for myself, my body is my barometer into telling me whether I\u2019m following my soul\u2019s purpose or whether I\u2019ve let the louder and more aggressive voices get to me. And it tells me where I\u2019m starting to operate from fear instead of from love. And to me, operating from a place of love means a love of myself, so that I will follow my path and my passion and my soul\u2019s purpose.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Now this is a kind of strange question, but I\u2019m going to ask you, because it occurred to me when you were talking about the experience itself, and you said that you saw past lives happening as simultaneous lives.<\/span><\/p>\n

And one of the things I\u2019m really curious about is whatever\u2019s happening in our physical life now, our current life, does it have an impact on our supposedly \u201cpast\u201d lives that could be simultaneous in a certain way? Is our current life affecting simultaneous lifetimes? And how do you see that? This is a kind of far-out question, but this is a true <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i> conversation that we\u2019re having, Anita.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> I like that question. So the way I see it is that every life impacts the other lives. But prior to this experience, being a Hindu, I grew up to believe karma and multiple lives. I saw them as sequential. So you build up good karma and you take that into the next life, or you bring bad karma from the previous life into the next life, which is why I thought the cancer was a result of bad karma.<\/span><\/p>\n

But when I was on the other side, I realized that every life contributes to the whole, to the soul. So if you imagine\u2014and I need to use metaphors because there are no words to describe this exactly. So each life impacts it. So it\u2019s not so much that just because I did bad things in the last life, that I\u2019m going to suffer in this life. But it\u2019s more like when you\u2019re in between lives, when you\u2019re not in a particular life and you\u2019re in your soul and not in a physical life, it\u2019s almost like you evaluate what you need to do next to kind of counter or to add to your experience.<\/span><\/p>\n

So if I can use the metaphor of a building\u2014and if you imagine a building, let\u2019s say this building has seven stories. And each story is one apartment. So you just have one apartment per floor, seven-story building. And so when you are inside the building, you can only occupy one story or one apartment at a time. So you physically, Tami Simon, you cannot be on more than one floor at a time. So this is you. When you\u2019re inside a body, you\u2019re occupying one lifetime in linear time. So as you walk through one apartment, you\u2019re only occupying one spot as you walk through. And that\u2019s linear time, and one apartment is one lifetime. And you can only walk through in linear time through the apartment. So that\u2019s your one lifetime.<\/span><\/p>\n

But if you are outside of the apartment building, and you\u2019re on the street, and you look at the building, you can see all seven floors, all seven stories at the same time. So when you are outside of your body, you see the entire soul and all the lifetimes. Because you are the soul, you become aware of the entire soul\u2019s journey, and all the lifetimes, and how it all fits together. That\u2019s kind of how I would explain it.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> That\u2019s such a helpful metaphor. I love that. Thank you.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

OK, I just have one last question for you, Anita. I mentioned this time that we\u2019re in\u2014the subtitle of your new book, <\/span>The Power of Empaths in an Increasingly Harsh World<\/span><\/i>\u2014and I think this time that we\u2019re in for many, many people is a very intense time. It\u2019s a time when we\u2019re very concerned about the future of the human species on earth. And I\u2019m wondering from your perspective, connected to the sources of guidance that you\u2019re connected with, how you see this time and how we can each align ourselves with embodying more love.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> So first of all, I would want all empaths to know that whether you realize it or not, that your default state is one of connection and intuition. That\u2019s your gift. Your default state is to be highly intuitive, and you\u2019re very connected.<\/span><\/p>\n

So this brings with it a gift, and I don\u2019t like to say \u201ccurse,\u201d but a \u201cnot gift,\u201d like a positive and a negative. The negative is that because you\u2019re highly intuitive, highly connected, you connect with this energy, this strife that\u2019s going on, the divisiveness and the depression, and all this turmoil that\u2019s going on. You feel that very quickly, and you connect, and it affects you.<\/span><\/p>\n

But on the other side, your gift, because you are highly intuitive, is that you also connect very, very well, very quickly with the other side, with your deceased loved ones, with spirit, your guidance, your soul, your soul\u2019s purpose.<\/span><\/p>\n

If you knew that you had that connection and you focused more on that, you would be able to connect very, very quickly. It\u2019s your birthright. It\u2019s your gift. It\u2019s almost like to compensate you for being so sensitive to the noise that\u2019s generated here in the physical world by the loudest and most aggressive voices here.<\/span><\/p>\n

So you need to know that you are sensitive to both. However, in order to survive this time that we\u2019re in, you need to consciously tune down the voices and the noise and the divisiveness that\u2019s coming from this three-dimensional five-sensory world. In other words, the news does you more harm than good if you\u2019re an empath. You need to tone that down. And you need to connect with nature more. You need to take care of yourself. So some of my answers are more prosaic in that you need to just look after yourself, have more baths, like soak in the tub, listen to more music, go out in nature, do things like that. You need to do that.<\/span><\/p>\n

And when you do that, you will find the connection and the voices and the tuning in to the other side coming to you faster than people who don\u2019t feel as much that they are empaths. You actually have that gift. But many of you have been blind or deaf to that gift, because you have been more focused or in tune with the louder voices of this three-dimensional five-sensory world, which have been extremely loud in recent times.<\/span><\/p>\n

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TS:<\/b> Anita Moorjani, I have loved talking with you so, so very much. You\u2019re someone who makes the other side not feel so \u201cother\u201d to me. I feel like, being with you, you function as a kind of bridge that helps bring that deep source consciousness of love right here and available to all of us. What a gift.<\/span><\/p>\n

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AM:<\/b> Wow. Thank you. Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n

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