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Richard Rudd:<\/b> Just happened that I woke up one morning in my bed and I woke up into another world, into another state, and it was a world of light and a world of illumination where the light was just coursing through me and there was an intelligence to the light and there was no fear in my system. It had just gone.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Welcome friends in this episode of <\/span>Insights at the Edge<\/span><\/i>. My guest is Richard Rudd. Richard is a teacher, mystic, and award-winning poet. He\u2019s best known for his work as the founder of the Gene Keys, which is a system that synthesizes wisdom from different traditions to help people unlock their highest potential. His primary residence is Devon England, and he\u2019s a husband, a father, and someone. I\u2019m meeting here for the first time and I have so much interest in curiosity. Richard, welcome<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Thank you, Tami. It is lovely to be here and also lovely to meet you.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> In learning about your life story. What I learned was that early in your life, you were 29 years old, you had a major initiation. That would be my language, a major spiritual experience that say informed rest of your life. It included of the future, important memories from our collective past.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I wanna start there and hear about what you experienced and what you saw.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah, I mean, they\u2019re funny, these things aren\u2019t they? These sort of epiphany events that some people have and, well, we all, we all have them, I think, in different degrees. Um, yeah, it was, uh, it, I, I think it was just, I guess it\u2019s, it makes a good story, you know? Um. And it did happen. Um, but I dunno how it happened and I wasn\u2019t doing anything to make it happen.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, but it just happened that I woke up one morning in my bed and I woke up into another world, into another state, and, um, outta my sleep, I came into this other world. And, um, and it was a world of light and a world of illumination and where the light was just coursing through me and there was an intelligence to the light and there was no fear in my system.<\/span><\/p>\n

It had just gone. And I was, uh, I, it was like a welcome to me. It was like, wow, I, this is very familiar actually. And so it seemed, although it was extraordinary, it seemed familiar and, um, and I kind of went with it and not knowing what, what was going on. Um. I had three days, uh, like that, and three nights I didn\u2019t really sleep.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, and I, I didn\u2019t eat much. I, I don\u2019t think I ate anything actually. I just drank a lot of water. And in those three days and three nights, yeah, I had a lot of, um, kind of cellular memories and, um, it\u2019s very hard to explain. So many layers of things kind of took place in inside my being. And, um, uh, years later I kind of look back at it and I think I, now I understand.<\/span><\/p>\n

I was sort of through, one way of saying it is that I was sort of given a view through the future human, you know, so the human that was coming, that was going to evolve out of the current one. I kind of saw a, I, I saw what it was like to see through the lens of that more advanced version of the one that we are now.<\/span><\/p>\n

So that\u2019s how I\u2019ve understood it, but I didn\u2019t understand it like that Then, um, and then it, and then the experience just kinda washed off me at the end of the third day. And, um, I was just back to being good old Richard, um, you know, slightly screwed up young man. And so, um, yeah, that was, that was the experience and it did, it did sort of define my spiritual life and some of my spiritual seeking and set me on a definite journey of I was already on a journey, but.<\/span><\/p>\n

It was difficult to integrate. Um, put it like that. It wa it was, um, it took me probably a good seven years actually, I think, to integrate it, but it led to eventually what became the gene keys. But, um, it was, I didn\u2019t receive a download. It wasn\u2019t anything like that that some people call \u2019em the download.<\/span><\/p>\n

It was just pure light. And the light had intelligence and memory and, and when I say memory, I also can apply that forwards in time, which we often don\u2019t do with memory. We, we kind of assume it\u2019s back, but I kind of remembered things forward in time as well as backwards in time. So, yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Okay,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> does,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> let\u2019s, let\u2019s go into that a little bit more, if that\u2019s okay with<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> sure.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> So. You know, you said, well, lots of people have experiences and Yeah, lots of people do, but I don\u2019t talk to that many people and I haven\u2019t heard that many people who have three days of an immersion in Wakeful light and see the, a future of what humanity.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I, I find this really unusual and really interesting. While this was happening, what were your reflections like? Did you think, holy god, what the hell\u2019s gone on? Or were you not even reflecting, like what was going on for you in the midst of<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Um,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Was there any of your sort of ordinary consciousness<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah, I was sort of the, the, well, I was more functioning on a kind of mythic level. Um, so, you know, my ordinary consciousness had kind of gone to this mythic framework where. Memories were coming to me in a sort of mythic way, and I was sort of, I was, I was out and about, right? So I was, I, I had a car and I was, I was listening to where the energy wanted to go and what it wanted to do.<\/span><\/p>\n

And at times I had, you know, I had some notebooks and I just, and I filled the notebooks in like a couple of hours. I just filled them with just reams of stuff and draw drawings and diagram. And I still have the notebooks actually. And, and, um, and I look at \u2019em sometimes and I\u2019m like, what? I, I still don\u2019t understand some of that.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, and then I was in the car and I was driving. I, and one of the things I ended up doing is I went to a wedding. Wasn\u2019t a wedding that I had been invited to, but I stumbled across it and I became one of the audience and I sort of understood while I was at that wedding. Everything that was about marriage and sacred marriage and the yin and the yang and everything had a mythic understanding.<\/span><\/p>\n

So everything that happened to me, um, had a sort of mythic framework around it that was teaching me. So I, I had a sort of accelerated learning about archetypal consciousness and so many strange things happened to me. I mean, just from doing this, just from following this, this impulse inside me. Um, yeah, I traveled throughout England.<\/span><\/p>\n

I ended up, I was in Glastonbury for a bit and then I, \u2019cause I was in the, in, in the south part of the country and, and then I was near Stonehenge and I was sort of following these threads of ancient footprints and, um, and, and just all kinds of woven layers of the past were kind of moving through me. And as I said, memories, um, and sort of.<\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. Kind of tastes of, of mythic beings. So yeah, it was a, it was a, it was very, uh, you know, it was, it was otherworldly even though I was sort of here and I was talking to people and interacting with strangers and, and just constantly learning. Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Memories of the future Human. Tell me more about that.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Well, that I didn\u2019t realize till late, much, much later. Um, you know, because I, you know, I, I came out of that experience and, and back into here this, uh, reality and,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> I.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Um, and as I said, I, I sort of had to go through a lot of struggling of understanding what, what that, you know, whether that was even real actually.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, and sort of if you went to some of the Buddhists, they might say, oh, it\u2019s just an illusion, you know, these, those are just illusions. You let \u2019em go just like anything else. And I kind of understand that as well. So I, I try not to set too much store in it, but it does it kind of. It creates a good introduction to the story of what then later became Gene Keys.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, but yeah, so I, I, I was unraveling this, um, you know, later I, I guess I use the algorithm, the, the allegory now of the dragonfly. The lifecycle of the dragonfly. And I have it a lot on, on my books, my Gene keys books. They have dragonflies on them, and it\u2019s a good allegory of the future human because the, the, like a butterfly, the dragonfly lives, you know, it lives in one state of consciousness.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s a, it\u2019s an underwater predator, a creature that lives under the water, um, for three or four, two or three years. And then one day it suddenly kind of goes up a stalk of grass or a reed and it goes out into the light leaves its watery environment that it\u2019s never done that before. It\u2019s never left the water and gone into the air.<\/span><\/p>\n

And then within about two or three hours, it\u2019s, it\u2019s broken itself open. And this. Flying iridescent insect emerges. Amazing dragon. And so, in a way, what I experienced, what I now look back on, I, I experienced the view through that dragonfly. You know, if you see that as an allegorical way, like that was the, that\u2019s what the view looks like through the future Us, um, you know, the, the future us sees things outside, you know, see, sees through time and space and experiences.<\/span><\/p>\n

The pure light of consciousness and grace and memories of all of our lives and all of our, you know, existence and the omniscient mind of the divine that kind of can see through us. And, and the, and the, I think more powerful than anything, the absence of fear from the body. So no fear in the body at all.<\/span><\/p>\n

And that\u2019s the weirdest, weirdest feeling. I don\u2019t know if anyone listening to this for whatever reason has ever come to that state, or you, yourself, Tami, but just, you know, it, there was all tension just because fear creates a subtle background tension. And I can feel it in my body even now, like very subtle if I tune into it and it\u2019s just there, but it completely left.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I had that view of like, wow, that\u2019s what it\u2019s like without any fear at all. Um, yeah, and it was, it was beautiful. It was absolutely overwhelmingly beautiful and, and, and loving.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> You know, Richard, I\u2019m mostly aware of the presence of fear in the body versus the absence of fear, and I think we\u2019ll talk more about<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> The transformational process. But here you and I are just getting to know each other, but I\u2019m just gonna come out right here and be very real with you. I\u2019m, I\u2019m not familiar with the Gene keys.<\/span><\/p>\n

I only became familiar with them in preparing for this conversation, so I have a very beginner\u2019s mind about it. I have talked to lots of people about. Awakening and how that there\u2019s a vision of our collective awakening. And I also hear a voice inside of me that says, look, Tami, have had these kinds of breakthroughs throughout history, turning that into something that\u2019s gonna be the new future human for the species.<\/span><\/p>\n

Come on, stop it. Look around. And to be honest with you, and this is, we\u2019re getting to know each other. I have both of these voices inside of me. And so, you know, once, once you go inside my world, it\u2019s, there\u2019s a lot going on.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> There\u2019s a part of me deep in my heart. That believes in this evolutionary possibility for the human species. I sense it. know it even,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> I have a disbelieving voice as<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Hmm.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> says, in what millennium might this occur,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> perhaps it won\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> do you weigh in here as we\u2019re talking<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah. Well, I, I have to say I\u2019m absolutely with you a hundred percent. You know, because when you look outside in the world and you see our behavior, um, and you, you don\u2019t have you, you can\u2019t quite conceive that anything like that could be possible for the species, right? Um, but then I, what I would do is like, look at the allegory of the, of the dragonfly, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

You, when you are down under the water in your, in that watery realm, you can\u2019t even imagine how that creature could transform from being this, you know, horizontal plane thing to this multidimensional, vertical other thing. But if you think about the evolution, if you think even about the timescales involved three years underwater, three hours going up a stalk, and then, you know, minutes.<\/span><\/p>\n

Before, you know, as it takes to the air, that\u2019s how quick transformation can occur and does occur. \u2019cause that\u2019s the evidence right there. That\u2019s how quick it is, you know, and, and so we never know when a quantum leap is coming. And I\u2019m not one of these kind of hopefuls. Um, I\u2019m, I\u2019m a realist and I\u2019m a father and I\u2019m a very ordinary, grounded man just by any, anything you\u2019ve just heard.<\/span><\/p>\n

And, and I\u2019m, I just, I\u2019m just a family man really. And, um, and I kind of, so I, I, I, I look at the world as it is and I see it, but I also have watched these patterns for years now. And I also am armed with this, um, technology called the Gene Keys, which is incredible. Um. It really accurately depicts algorithms and timings and, uh, like living algorithms, uh, that live inside us as humans, but also kind of dictate the flow of our kind of trajectory.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so one of the things that I kind of see is, and I, and I\u2019ve learned a lot, like one of the things I\u2019ve learned from, um, systems theory for example, is that when a system is getting ready to go through a major transition, there are signs before that happens, right? And those signs that physicists and people, they call them strange attractors, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

There\u2019s thing called strange attractors. And strange attractors are unforeseen events that are not linear. In any way. They come in suddenly from the side and they take everyone by surprise and they kind of reroute the direction of things. And, and when a system\u2019s about to change you, you get more of these.<\/span><\/p>\n

They, you can\u2019t say what they\u2019re gonna be or what they\u2019re gonna do, but what they do know is that more of them appear. So you could say that the pandemic was one of those, you might even say Donald Trump is one of those a strange attractor, right? Anything that comes in that you were not expecting. Um, and that stirs things up.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I\u2019m not saying they\u2019re good or bad. I, there\u2019s no value added to, it\u2019s just we\u2019re going to see more of them and they create more disturbance and more ripples, and they are evidence of a declining paradigm. Right? And, and, and that it\u2019s in that backdrop. That you kind of see early shoots of spring appearing, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

So I\u2019m, I\u2019m kind of realistic. I, and, and, and many people kind of wish that it would be very soon, and I kind of, they ask how when\u2019s this gonna happen? And I just say, well, this is gonna take hundreds of years, hundreds of years. Um, because, but, but hundreds of years is not long. Um, it, and, and it\u2019s here now, you know, it\u2019s actually here, like mycelium under the ground, you know, so we are perhaps in the process of going up the stalk our species.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so we don\u2019t really, and when you go up the stalk into the light, you don\u2019t really know what you\u2019re doing or why you\u2019re doing it. Um, and it\u2019s terrifying because you are leaving what you\u2019ve known and, and the known starts to decline and fall away. The, and the old paradigm, everywhere you look, you see it declining.<\/span><\/p>\n

You see the social fabric declining. You see the, you know, reality itself just sort of falling away. And so fear increases hugely, and I\u2019ve sort of, that\u2019s what, you know, that\u2019s what I\u2019ve continuously sort of been monitoring. So if you are, I think if you are very tuned in, then you can start to see the very first buds of this new consciousness.<\/span><\/p>\n

But it\u2019s very subtle and it\u2019s quite inward, um, inside us, just as the first little buds pushing up through the, you know, the dark of winter. There\u2019s always a few early ones, but you know, that spring\u2019s still quite a long way away. But you know that the power of spring is under there. And so that\u2019s how I frame the phase that we\u2019re in now.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, and so it, what it does is it brings a huge amount of hope. But it\u2019s not sort of hope, like false hope for me, it\u2019s certainty, but I, I, I do my best to convey that certainty. It\u2019s, for me, it\u2019s a cellular certainty. \u2019cause I felt it and I know it. You know, knowing is a thing, right? Memory. You can\u2019t argue with memory.<\/span><\/p>\n

Like when you remember something, it\u2019s, it\u2019s something that takes place in the cells of your body. So I remembered it and, and once you\u2019ve remembered it, you can\u2019t un remember it. It\u2019s like, and so I know it\u2019s coming, I don\u2019t know when, but I sense its arrival and I have the algorithm system, which I was also given, not me alone, many others have used it.<\/span><\/p>\n

And it\u2019s, um, used by other people. Like, and, and it\u2019s a similar system to human design in some respects. Where people are, are, it\u2019s another tool, that personal tool, um, Genki, uh, but it and allows you to, to look at patterns. Um, and then extrapolate from those patterns and get a sense of when things are coming.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so Gene keys, and if any anyone comes in new to the Gene Keys like you, like, one of the first things that you might come into touch with is there\u2019s a sort of prophecy woven into it. Um, so even though it\u2019s a sort of technology of consciousness, right in the heart of it is this prophecy that kind of is around this time and particularly 2026 and 2027 as it happens.<\/span><\/p>\n

I mean, I\u2019ve 30 years since I had my experience and so I\u2019ve sort of been waiting for this time, not, not waiting, kind of, you know, excitedly. I\u2019ve just, I\u2019ve just, it\u2019s here now. Um, and it, and I\u2019m not saying that everything\u2019s gonna suddenly change, but uh, I do think these next few years we will experience a ramping up of fear, um, because.<\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019re in the time of strange tractors, and that means that there are more chaotic forces around. And I think people are feeling it. And I want to give the perspective that there\u2019s something else going on under the fear, under the surface, and it\u2019s something quite beautiful and remarkable. And not that we should set hope in it and just go, oh, well, it\u2019s all gonna be fine then.<\/span><\/p>\n

Not at all. Um, but it\u2019s, it does change things when you take that view. Does that make sense?<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> It, what you\u2019re saying makes sense. I wanna make sure that it\u2019s clear to me and to our listeners, which is you use the word certainty. Certainty of what? Like I get the allegory of the. But I\u2019m also like trying to put myself now into the dragonfly\u2019s consciousness. It\u2019s flying. What does that mean with certainty for me as a human?<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> It\u2019s the cellular certainty that, you know, there is a, there is something hidden inside every human being, you know, a higher species, a higher being. Um, and it, and it\u2019s actually a genetic thing, you know, it\u2019s actually, it requires a, just as the dragonfly, the dragonfly has to go through a series of genetic mutations, molts, they\u2019re called, and most of them are invisible.<\/span><\/p>\n

They take place under the water and you don\u2019t see it. No one, there\u2019s no sign, there\u2019s no outer signs, uh, of it. But it that, but it goes through this process inside. And then it culminates in a huge, you know, transmutation where it, where its behavior shifts. And so what we\u2019re seeing, what\u2019s certain is that the human behavior is gonna shift from the inside out.<\/span><\/p>\n

So. It, it doesn\u2019t mean that we\u2019re suddenly all going to be loving and kind and stuff, but it does mean that there\u2019s an awakening that\u2019s taking place deep inside human beings, humanity itself, and that it\u2019s beginning to pop up in the first flowers of spring. So more and more people are beginning to experience little glimmers of it, um, as it begins to pop up and open.<\/span><\/p>\n

So that\u2019s what I mean by the certainty. The certainty is that that awakening is baked into every human being alive. It\u2019s \u2019cause it\u2019s the truth of who we are. And as you said, the great mystics through time and space have have known it and many of us have glimpsed it in, in kind of moments or if we took plant medicine or whatever, whatever we did, or we went to deep meditation or maybe it just happened as a freak event like mine and you just came into touch with it for a moment.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, so it\u2019s there and it\u2019s. It, it\u2019s time is coming. Um, like a wave. And the outer things that we\u2019re seeing are part of it coming. \u2019cause you have to have a decline. Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> when you, when you use this phrase, you know, cellular<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> And you talk about genetic mutation, what I notice is two things and I, I\u2019d love to, uh, hear your response, which is. One, I, I think to myself, hi. I don\u2019t really know what Richard\u2019s pointing to. Like what\u2019s, what is the mutation that is happening at a genetic level to human beings, like the dragonfly, like what\u2019s physically happening?<\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s one thing. I\u2019m just curious. And then the other thing that happens though is I get extraordinarily excited. Like I can feel what you\u2019re saying. Like when I tune in cellularly, I think, huh? I kind of get it. I kind of get it, but I don\u2019t even know what I\u2019m getting. But I get very excited and open and free and I\u2019m like, oh, something\u2019s happening physically, but help me here, Richard, understand your perspective.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> I mean, I\u2019m not a geneticist or a scientist, so I, I\u2019m a poet. Right. So through me you have a poetic view of reality and DNA, so the genies, it\u2019s nothing but that. This is not a CDO science, it\u2019s a poetic version of DNA. Right. And it and it\u2019s rooted.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> so, that\u2019s good. So I can go with the poetry,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah. Yeah. So, so you don\u2019t need to kind of worry about, you know, and, and I know some science of course, and, and I\u2019m, I love talking to scientists and mathematicians and things \u2019cause I do have that kind of brain that, uh, I think the experience I had helped me understand, has helped me to understand the fractal nature of the universe.<\/span><\/p>\n

And so I have an, I have an affinity. To those things and to discoveries that science are making. And, um, but I am essentially a more right-brained kind of being.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> What, what\u2019s actually happening physically? Yes. Some kind of genetic mutation that is cha that is changing the equipment, you know, and I can\u2019t prove that one thing I have, I, you can see, you can see things like the, the, the neurodiversity that we are experiencing more and, um, things like autism and some of the, the gifts that are, are emerging through, through those, uh, children or, um, people who are kind of accessing those network levels of consciousness now.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Which, you know, I mean, I dunno if you are readers<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> hosts<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Of, uh, conversations like podcasts, like<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> To ab.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> At the Edge,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Exactly.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Their own neurodivergence. Yes,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Exactly. So these,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> all the<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> these are, these are signs of the interconnectedness of consciousness. And of course we can see it as a, as a metaphor outside through, you know, the internet and ai like, and, you know, that\u2019s almost an outer kind of expression of what\u2019s going on on the inside in some way. Um, that we are kind of accessing our higher intelligence, or we\u2019re about to, we\u2019re just on the cusp of it.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, so that it is a, it, it is a very exciting time and a very frightening time at the same time.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> When you talk about the prophecy that\u2019s at the center of the gene keys, and you\u2019re talking about hundreds of years from now, this journey through our to uh, uh, it\u2019s like I can kind of follow that and go, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you talk about something\u2019s gonna be happening. In 20 26, 20 27, that this is a critical time, and now this time is here 30 years after you.<\/span><\/p>\n

I, I think to myself, well, you know, I can just look at my<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> And see if this comes to be, what exactly do you think is gonna be happening<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> So yeah, it\u2019s something intangible. I mean, it might have physical manifestations, who knows? But it\u2019s something kind of intangible. It\u2019s, it\u2019s the death of an old cycle. It\u2019s the decline of an old cycle. So if you look at the, the, the, the sort of, um, measuring system of the gene keys, which, which uses quite, you know, quite mathematical ways of, of tracking global cycles.<\/span><\/p>\n

One of the things you see is that in a, is sort of for every 450 years or so, a cycle shift and it\u2019s like a kind of cogs and gears mechanism. And then when it shifts, um, the old cycle declines. You know, it might be a civilization, it might be a, you know, an empire, it might be lots of things and it declines quite quickly and it, and something new is, appears a new phase of history appears.<\/span><\/p>\n

And there are also larger cycles, you know, outside that. And the one that ends in 2027 is one, is part of a longer, a much longer cycle. It doesn\u2019t mean that everything suddenly changes. It means that what it does mean, like next year, 2026, I, I sort of given it the pet name of the year of the closing door because the door is closing on that old cycle and when it\u2019s closed, it\u2019s like a, it\u2019s like a super tanker that\u2019s run out of fuel.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s got no fuel left in it, which means it might drift on for a bit under its own steam, but then it literally begins a rapid decline. So that\u2019s what this time is pointing to. It\u2019s like the death of an old cycle. So, I dunno what that looks like. I mean, I, I imagine if that were. Um, enacted out as a metaphor.<\/span><\/p>\n

It might mean that the planet could go through an energy crisis, for example, because the energy that was available for the last 450 years or so, and going back further, but especially the last cycle, that\u2019s where we\u2019ve built these, you know, this civilization, this interconnected civilization all around the world, this global culture, all for good, all the good stuff and the bad stuff.<\/span><\/p>\n

You know, that the energy for that is being taken away. And so this is what I was saying about, you know, we, we have a very linear view of history because when we look and, and not just the view, but the feel, \u2019cause we, we\u2019ve got all that momentum in us, of everything we\u2019ve built, you know, and everything we\u2019ve been part of and the culture.<\/span><\/p>\n

And then when that, and, and we, the last thing we think\u2019s gonna happen is that that\u2019s gonna be taken away. Because we, we have a linear view, so we assume, well, you know, AI will come and then we\u2019ll get more advanced, and then we\u2019ll heal. We\u2019ll kind of get there, and then we\u2019ll go to Mars and then it will, technology will take us even further.<\/span><\/p>\n

And we don\u2019t, that\u2019s what we, we project based on the curvature of where we\u2019ve come from. And these cycles don\u2019t operate like that. They, it\u2019s a split from one cycle to another. So what you get is these strange attractor events towards the end that change the trajectory, um, and it means that you thought it was going this way, but it won\u2019t, so it won\u2019t go the way you expect.<\/span><\/p>\n

So the whole civilization. At the moment, it\u2019s like, it\u2019s kind of, it\u2019s poised between cycles and we\u2019re thinking it\u2019s going one way. There are certain people that don\u2019t think that, you know, even quite intelligently. In fact, if you ask ai, interestingly enough, what are the chances of AI ever kind of getting to the place where we think it\u2019s gonna solve everything?<\/span><\/p>\n

AI will tell you it is not very hopeful because of human behavior. Because, because, you know it, because of our behavior. We, we learn through our huge mistakes and from not listening. And so we kind of create these calamities, um, and AI itself right, is actually part of that story. So the, so the very thing that we think is gonna save us is probably one of the agents that will not destroy us, but speed up the decline.<\/span><\/p>\n

Of the civilization that we\u2019ve built, right? And, and all the systems that we\u2019ve built that are kind of built on something that isn\u2019t, you know, sustainable anyway. And, and that, and that doesn\u2019t mean we, you know, it doesn\u2019t mean that we shouldn\u2019t, you know, it means we can put all our energy into the new. So it\u2019s an incredibly exciting time.<\/span><\/p>\n

I, I actually foresee a, a creative renaissance coming, coming now because there\u2019s all this creative energy for new ideas and new projects, but they\u2019re, they\u2019re outside the old paradigm. And I, you know, it\u2019s tricky because you, you have to sort of, kind of break with the way it has been and, and, and kind of start to use a vision, a more visionary understanding of, okay, how, what can we do?<\/span><\/p>\n

What should we do be doing? Where can we put our energy? And so what you see things like the, you know, people returning to the land and learning how to make food again and localized, you know, you know, decentralized, um, networks of kind of culture that are more resilient, you know, because we\u2019re gonna go through a period of decline as a planet.<\/span><\/p>\n

And, but at the same time, there\u2019s, you can see this growth of this new creature, this new being, and it\u2019ll need new networks and a new kind of world. So I\u2019m a sort of, I\u2019m not a utopian, um, I kind of follow and track all the patterns, but I, I do see that there\u2019s a massive opportunity for something new, but I don\u2019t think, I think it\u2019s discontinuous with the old, just as the dragonfly is.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s discontinuous with the old, it has no, it\u2019s in of a different dimension. It\u2019s a, one\u2019s a flying insect.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> So I, I hear you. So, uh, I love the poetry of the year of the closing door for 2026. Do you have a headline for 2027?<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Um, I dunno. I mean, it\u2019s, it\u2019s like, um, someone asked me the other day like, um, what, you know, who, why, why would, if this was gonna happen, why would a child come and be born now if it was an incarnation? Like why would it choose to come in at this point? Um, and I said, what? They must be big wave surfers, you know?<\/span><\/p>\n

They must be specialized beings because I think it\u2019s, you know, yeah. It\u2019s the, it\u2019s the year of the big wave or something. I haven\u2019t given that in its name, but it\u2019s something like that. It\u2019s, it\u2019s a, it\u2019s the year of,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> good.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> I\u2019m gonna keep asking you some hard questions here because as I was starting to familiarize myself with the gene keys, I was like, okay, so it\u2019s a combination of the itching. I get it. Our genetic code, I\u2019m not familiar with human design, but that\u2019s clearly foundational<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> involves my birthdate and<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah, yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> It\u2019s drawing on other wisdom traditions as well. Now we\u2019re talking about sacred mathematics, and I was like, okay, Richard, give me the elevator pitch,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> or con condensation.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah. Sure,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> with you. We\u2019re only gonna go up a few floors, you know, whatever.<\/span><\/p>\n

What are the gene keys?<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> sure. System of, um, personal transformation rooted in the healing of our shadow patterns and the transforming of them into gifts. And, and, and that\u2019s really it. So, so it begins with the problems that in us, inside us and our trauma. And it\u2019s about facing and accepting our trauma and forgiving and letting go, and then discovering that inside our traumas, specifically our very powerful gifts.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, and they give rise to our true purpose in life. So that\u2019s really the process in an elevator pitch.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> And then we mentioned the idea of. free of fear, having an<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Of fear in the body, and that most of us, and I said, you know, look, I\u2019m, I\u2019m more, I\u2019m aware of the fear that lives in me in this way and that way, et<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> How would the Gene Keys approach help us work with our physical body of fear that manifests in, you know, many different ways.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah, so there\u2019s a very simple single technique at the core of the gene keys and um, I wrote a little book about it called The Art of Contemplation. It\u2019s like under a hundred pages. It\u2019s what I would give to like, I wrote the book \u2019cause my father didn\u2019t understand what I did, but when he was alive and he just, I don\u2019t understand this big book on the gene,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> trying to get our<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> right?<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Understand<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah. So he had no idea. He said like, I don\u2019t understand this big thing on Gene Keys, any of it, right? So I said, okay, I\u2019ll, I\u2019ll, I\u2019ll put something together for you. And I wrote this very short book on contemplation, which he really liked actually. He was a, you know, interesting man. Um, and it\u2019s contemp, the contemplation is how we, is the technique and it\u2019s about.<\/span><\/p>\n

Creating a space around our fear, around our shadow patterns, around our traumas. Uh, and it\u2019s about really having the courage to look at those patterns. And the gene keys give you a language. So out of that chart, that profile that you can get for free on gene keys.com, anyone can do it now while I\u2019m talking, go genies.com free profile.<\/span><\/p>\n

And you, what you\u2019ll see, you\u2019ll get lots of words and you\u2019ll see like nasty sounding words and you\u2019ll see lovely sounding words and they\u2019re all kind of layered over each other. And so the nasty ones, the shadows are patterns of the victim patterns that we\u2019ve inherited. They\u2019re archetypal. This is an archetypal system, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

And as you said, it\u2019s rooted in the etching. So there are 64 of these patterns, 64 shadow, different shadow patterns. I\u2019ll give you an example. Um, one of the shadows is called the shadow of corruption, right? So they are, they are. There are patterns throughout humanity as well as being patterns that are embedded in us, in our biology.<\/span><\/p>\n

So it doesn\u2019t mean that if you have the shadow of corruption, that you\u2019re a corrupt person, but it means that there is a, there\u2019s always a corruption of truth at the shadow level, at that frequency of being. And it\u2019s a, and, and it, and it does manifest socially as corruption, but it also means that if you have that particular key, you probably will have to deal with corruption in your life in some form or another.<\/span><\/p>\n

Maybe you marry someone or you get attracted to it, or this stuff happens to you. Um, maybe you become a police officer, you know, who knows? But it\u2019s in your dharma somewhere. And so you get to learn and heal through it, but it\u2019s something embedded inside you. And then inside that corruption is a gift.<\/span><\/p>\n

Right. And what\u2019s the gift? It\u2019s, it\u2019s the gift of equilibrium. And the equilibrium is like when you have. Kind of re, you know, managed yourself through the shadow and the shadow\u2019s always a victim state. It\u2019s always a, um, part of us that gives up, or it\u2019s a depressive part or it\u2019s a, um. You know, it\u2019s a part that blames someone else or blames the government or blame, you know, it likes to not take responsibility for itself.<\/span><\/p>\n

So as we start to take responsibility for our own patterns, that\u2019s when the gift comes and we achieve a different level of equilibrium. It doesn\u2019t mean we get rid of the shadow, it means we, we kind of start to manifest the gift level. So there are 64 of these gifts and 64 of these shadows. So conflict is another one, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

You might have conflict, the shadow of conflict. And so that shows up in your relationships. Probably you\u2019re going, it does for most of us, but if you specifically have that one, you\u2019re gonna meet a lot of conflict all around you through your relationships. But the gift in that conflict is the gift of diplomacy.<\/span><\/p>\n

So you are gonna be trained in the art of diplomacy and contemplation is how you put that into practice. You contemplate your gene keys. Over time. And you don\u2019t just think about them, it might start with thinking about them, but then you feel your way into them. You, you kind of saturate yourself in them.<\/span><\/p>\n

And it\u2019s an ongoing process. It\u2019s not something that just suddenly happens. You don\u2019t get it in a weekend workshop. It\u2019s a jenky takes time, contemplation takes time. It\u2019s deep material about you. You\u2019re gonna be contemplating this shadow for a while until you see it in your life. You\u2019re gonna see it, you\u2019re gonna witness it in your relationships, you, it\u2019ll come reflected the moment you put your attention on it.<\/span><\/p>\n

It will start appearing everywhere. And then you can start to come to terms with it and you can start to kind of heal yourself and you can start to experience, uh, breakthroughs and epiphanies and transformations. And that\u2019s why I say genies is a system of transformations. It\u2019s gritty though, because it starts with the shadow.<\/span><\/p>\n

It starts with difficulty. It starts with difficult words that we don\u2019t like to attach to ourself. And you have to look at them and think of yourself through that lens. And then you start to see it and you\u2019re like, ah, it\u2019s my blind spot. I know it is. I see it now. And then out of, out of that comes these gifts and event, there\u2019s a third layer, which is called the city.<\/span><\/p>\n

City is a Sanskrit word, meaning a divine attribute. Um, and the, there\u2019s 64 of those as well, a city. So if you took, um, you know, uh, conflict and diplomacy, the city of that one would be peace. So peace is hidden in conflict. It\u2019s interesting, like so every shadow has, has a city, has a, has a higher essence hidden in it, and it\u2019s the reason for suffering actually.<\/span><\/p>\n

So Genki your genies show you how your suffering is layered into you. In that sense, it\u2019s quite, it\u2019s akin to many ancient teachings or shamanic, where you go down into the underworld or the Buddhist teaching of suffering, where you go inside and you really meet yourself and you meet your less kind of nice parts.<\/span><\/p>\n

And then you begin to get to know them. And as you get to know them, they start to transform into these gifts, creative gifts. And eventually, over a long period of time, they\u2019ll start to flower into the cities, into these higher forms. But that might take a long time. It depends. You can\u2019t, yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Richard, to give me an example from your own life<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah, yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> a shadow pattern and the contemplation<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> in? Because I think a lot of times when you hear a word like contemplation, you think, okay, I\u2019m gonna think about<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah, yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> is it gonna actually change?<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah. Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> To the core of it such that, it\u2019s turning into a gift and then a city.<\/span><\/p>\n

But I think if you used a personal example, that<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> of course. Before I do that, I\u2019ll just say that the genies are kind of, they\u2019re sort of neurolinguistic programming language that reflects the mathematics of our DNA. So DNA is made up of 64 structures, right? And the gene, there\u2019s 64 keys and the, and, and it\u2019s rooted in the ying, which is made up of these, these different six lines and combinations.<\/span><\/p>\n

So the geometry and the structure of the ying is exactly the same structure as DNA Exactly. The books written on this by geneticists. Right. It\u2019s, it\u2019s, it\u2019s, it\u2019s, it\u2019s an incredible thing, but it\u2019s also true. So the language of the gene keys is coded archetypally to match the that. So it really resonates at a very physical level.<\/span><\/p>\n

I was a body worker for years. Before I got into any of this stuff, I was a body worker. I, I worked on, I did my specialty, specialty was the belly. I worked on bellies, I worked on people\u2019s traumas. I helped them release patterns from very deep within their biomes. And so I\u2019m like, I\u2019m not the head guy that you might think I am.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m actually a very physical person. And so it, contemplation I\u2019ve learned is a very physical experience, but it has layers to it. So my, an example from my life is I have the key of doubt, right? Very key, very sort of in a really kind of important place. And so I had that experience and then I had a huge amount of doubt come into my life of like, well, I.<\/span><\/p>\n

Who are you? You\u2019re nothing. You\u2019re no one. You don\u2019t know anything. You don\u2019t know this stuff. You are like, it. It\u2019s like I, I live with that doubt, that self-doubt for years. And I didn\u2019t wanna say anything. I tried to go into denial. I reacted to the doubt at different times, in different ways. It was very uncomfortable.<\/span><\/p>\n

Doubt\u2019s a horrible thing to live with. It\u2019s, it\u2019s deeply, you know, undermining and it makes you feel bad about yourself and weak and, you know, judge, self judgmental and all kinds of constriction right in the body. So it\u2019s a constriction energy. All the shadows are constriction energies. And then the gift of doubt is inquiry, right?<\/span><\/p>\n

And, and you could take any gene key and it\u2019s the same story. So there are 64 of them, but it\u2019s the same story, just through slightly different lens. And the story is. You have to have the courage to inquire into the shadow. So you have to have the courage to look into the doubt. So I had to look into that doubt and go, well, first of all, it feels awful because I just feel bad.<\/span><\/p>\n

I feel afraid. I just, you know, I, it doesn\u2019t make me, it doesn\u2019t make me feel good at all. And when I close my eyes or I try and meditate, it\u2019s just there. It\u2019s, it\u2019s not, I couldn\u2019t even call it doubt. It\u2019s just a feeling. It is just an, a feeling of deep unease in my body. And, um, and so as I realized that doubt over in layers over the years, I started to talk about it.<\/span><\/p>\n

And I started to share about it. And I started to admit that I had this doubt. And I started and I started to be vulnerable and just go, well, you know, I don\u2019t know. I, I, one part of me just feels really super clear. Then the other part is just like this mind that\u2019s like, nah, you know nothing, you can\u2019t say that.<\/span><\/p>\n

You can\u2019t go out and tell people that you are a prophet. Don\u2019t be ridiculous. You\u2019re just your ego, vain, spiritual vanity and all of that stuff. And I have a very kind of, you know, I can be mean with myself. Um, so over the years I\u2019ve learned to go much easier on myself, and the inquiry has softened me hugely so that I\u2019m no longer judgmental towards myself.<\/span><\/p>\n

And now I give myself, I, I like treat myself like a parent would treat, treat it\u2019s kind of wounded child. I, you know, there\u2019s a part of me that just understands that that doubt might be there. And, um, you know, and every now and again, it might flare up again, but it\u2019s, it\u2019s, it\u2019s sort of, I don\u2019t know. It\u2019s, it\u2019s no longer part of who I am, it\u2019s just, it was just.<\/span><\/p>\n

Stuff. It was fear. It was, you know, and underneath it is this beautiful kind of flower. And that gift of inquiry led to me creating the Gene keys. So it\u2019s because of my doubt that I figured out a way outta the doubt. And along the way I built a system so that other people could also help figure their way out.<\/span><\/p>\n

But they\u2019re gonna take different routes because there\u2019s all kinds of the gen keys. Everyone, every Gene Key is a ladder, you know? And so you can, you can, your ladder might look different from mine. Um, but it, and eventually the city, the, the highest aspect of that is, is truth. So it goes doubt, inquiry truth and truth is in the cells.<\/span><\/p>\n

Truth is not about fact or anything, you know, like facts can be taken away and changed. Truth is truth, right? And, and one of the things you realize from truth, from the feel, from the view of the, the highest, the city. Is that even doubt is truth. So every, so it, it\u2019s like the perfection of every, when you get to that heightened state, that that transcendent state, it\u2019s not actually really, doesn\u2019t really feel transcendent.<\/span><\/p>\n

It just feels really self-loving and self-accepting. And that\u2019s the process that I\u2019ve been in for years. And now I realize that contemplation is a really, really powerful tool for anyone. \u2019cause yeah, it might start with thinking, but then it goes deeper and deeper and then it becomes feeling, and then it goes deeper and deeper.<\/span><\/p>\n

And it, what it does, it starts to open us up to, you know, to epiphanies, to breakthroughs, to, you know, and, and eventually the contemplation becomes so deep as a state that you are living in, that it becomes physical. So you, you\u2019re actually, your whole body enters a state of contemplation. You\u2019re not even doing it consciously, but it is a hard thing to explain.<\/span><\/p>\n

But because it\u2019s one of those techniques that you kind of, it isn\u2019t really a technique and everyone is so obsessed with techniques today that they want, like, how do I do that? And actually it\u2019s something you, it\u2019s, it\u2019s a sense of gentleness. It\u2019s a sense of patience. It\u2019s a sense of ease. Um, in the little book I wrote, I, I kind of, um, give lots of exercises at the back.<\/span><\/p>\n

I say, look, it\u2019s like the contemplative way to walk is to meander, you know, the contemplative way to think or to it or to dialogue is to sort of, to just, you know, to talk without kind of having a direction. You know, it, it\u2019s about bringing the essence of a relaxed, easeful way into everything you do. And it doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t be, sort of, have good boundaries and all those things, but it\u2019s a very yielding.<\/span><\/p>\n

Kind of state of consciousness that then eventually comes into your mind and you become incredibly lucid. So it is a beautiful, it\u2019s, it is an equivalent to meditation. It\u2019s much easier than meditation. It\u2019s, it\u2019s less kind of boring than mindfulness, if you don\u2019t mind me saying that. Um, it\u2019s more creative.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s, it\u2019s more, it\u2019s more fun and it\u2019s easier<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> I\u2019m with you on the fun and the creative. The fact that it\u2019s easier than meditation. I might question that,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Uhhuh.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Maybe that\u2019s only \u2019cause I haven\u2019t gotten the hang of it yet.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Because it seems to me that what\u2019s required, and, and correct me if I\u2019m wrong, but it\u2019s part of what really inspired me as I was exploring your writing on contemplation, this acceptance of whatever the shadow patterning is a willingness to be like, oh, that\u2019s okay. That\u2019s okay. I can be gentle with this. And I wonder if you can say more about that. One of the quotes I pulled is, awakening is a series of softenings. And I really liked that the softening<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah, that\u2019s exactly what contemplation does. It takes away all the hard edges. You start probably being quite hard and edgy because most of us do. \u2019cause that\u2019s the shadow. And then as you, as you lower yourself into this view, this worldview of contemplation view. Those edges become softer. And Yeah. And the thing about it, I mean, I\u2019d, I\u2019ve, I think meditation\u2019s an amazing path.<\/span><\/p>\n

It was designed for, not for, you know, not for modern humans. It was designed for monks and nuns in monasteries, you know? Um, and you can, of course you can do it, you can do it every morning, and then you can go to work, and then you can do it in the evening, or you can do it in between. And, um, contemplation is, is it, it designed for the gaps between everything in life.<\/span><\/p>\n

So it\u2019s all about pausing really. It\u2019s about har, I call it harvesting pauses. So if anyone\u2019s listening to this and they want to know how to contemplate, you can do it today, right? And all you have to do is find a, find one pause today or tomorrow that you normally would not have taken. Right, and, and so, you know, if you can do that, then you\u2019ve made a start.<\/span><\/p>\n

And a pause can be an in breath. It can be as short as an in breath and a sigh. Or it can be three minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes. It can be putting your feet up. It can be going for a run. It can be doing something that\u2019s slightly, you know, it is, it is not of the left brain. It could, you can have a moving pause.<\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> me ask you a<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> this, Richard,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> You know, I, I was reviewing some of your work on the art of contemplation and pausing is the first step. And I thought, you know, most people get that<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Mm-hmm.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Believe it or not, I think and do that. But the harder part, and the reason I said I think it\u2019s hard is that you then talk about the second step, if I understand correctly, of pivoting<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> And that part as part of contemplation, turning difficult situations into a gift, approaching challenges with an open heart. I thought that\u2019s what we don\u2019t do in general. We<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> I\u2019m just speaking now in, you know, a big broad brush joke. Okay, great. I pause, I went on a run. I, I stopped. I, you know, I, I drank my tea and I thought about all the things that are screwed up about this situation in my life, and I thought I was pausing and contemplating.<\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s not pivoting. You\u2019re talking about something else.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> no, it\u2019s, it requires a lot of patience, contemplation, you know, it\u2019s, you know, you, if you understand its essence, it, it\u2019s a long-term view, right? So you don\u2019t put yourself on the, one of the first things you see is where we put ourselves under pressure, and one of the beauties of the second stage of contemplation, as you said, pivoting, is that we don\u2019t make it happen.<\/span><\/p>\n

It just happens in one of the pauses. But unless we\u2019re taking conscious pauses and we are delighting in them, uh, we don\u2019t, we, when we, we kind of, we don\u2019t have those pivotal experiences, you know, usually our pivotal experiences is where we finally come into touch with some aspect of our own shadow and we have a little revelation.<\/span><\/p>\n

Or it might be a big revelation, or it might be something that someone says, or it might be, you know, an animal coming up to us, or it might be a moment of magic or, or something that we\u2019re unexpected we\u2019re not expecting, but it happens in a pause and then it triggers that little awakening. Sanity inside us.<\/span><\/p>\n

So if you are genuinely kind of entering into the spirit of contemplation, then sooner or later you will start to have more pivotal experiences, but especially understanding that you are not gonna make them happen. \u2019cause they\u2019re not conscious, they don\u2019t consciously occur, they occur unconsciously. They, they occur from, it\u2019s like the, you know, we have the default mode network in the brain, which is the part of the brain that needs to daydream.<\/span><\/p>\n

And if we don\u2019t allow ourselves to daydream and drift or meander or saer or linger, if we don\u2019t do those things, that part of our brain can\u2019t access the deep wisdom of the body \u2019cause the wisdom\u2019s in the body. And it\u2019s like, genies is a wisdom system. It\u2019s not a knowledge system. I mean, people think it\u2019s a knowledge system and they often approach it like a knowledge system thinking they\u2019re gonna get knowledge back out of it.<\/span><\/p>\n

But it\u2019s not, it\u2019s a, it\u2019s a triggering system. To trigger the wisdom in the body. And so the wisdom\u2019s in us as opposed to the knowledge, knowledge is something you take in or you put in. Whereas wisdom is like, it has to be triggered so that it can emerge from inside out. It\u2019s a yin practice. Contemplation is a yin practice.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s, it is the most in, um, and so you have to be really patient and then sooner or later you will start having these pivotal experiences. And it\u2019s like anyone, you, if you come to the Gene Keys community, right? There\u2019s the thousands of us all around the world, right? Doing these crazy things. Looking at, and, you know, contemplating, if you come into one of those forums or whatever and you talk and, and you hear someone talking, um, they, they will say, look, my first breakthrough came when this happened, and.<\/span><\/p>\n

Once you\u2019ve had your first kind of big breakthrough, you kind of get it. You\u2019re like, oh, bloody, I get it. It\u2019s like it, this stuff works. It just works from the inside out. It\u2019s like it\u2019s, we have to sort of trick our strategic mind into kind of doing something that\u2019s not logical. You know? It\u2019s, it\u2019s a technique that isn\u2019t a technique, but it, but it\u2019s been used for centuries and millennia by different people, you know?<\/span><\/p>\n

So it\u2019s, it, it is something that comes actually quite naturally to us. Um, and it not so natural in our modern world, because of the way we\u2019re conditioned, because of our technology and social media and our, our kind of crazy binary world that we live in, where everything, every moment is numbered. But once we start to break out of that, then we have these epiphanies, these moments, and that\u2019s when the magic starts to occur.<\/span><\/p>\n

And then. You start finding that you pause more often, and it doesn\u2019t mean you become less, help, less sort of, it doesn\u2019t mean you\u2019re doing less, it just means you\u2019re doing everything slightly differently in a slightly more yielding, soft-hearted manner. You become softer, not, you know, you, you still have a sword when you need it, but you just become a more yielding being.<\/span><\/p>\n

Does that make sense?<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> I still have a question, which is I think in the pausing. In the pausing, there\u2019s this, you know, okay, what\u2019s the hack? I do now, and you know, I\u2019m not a big fan of the word hack, but still<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> What\u2019s the thing I do now? Do I ask this question? I\u2019m<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> The shadow into a gift. Is there a set of things I, no.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m supposed to be patient, gentle and be in the pause and something going to emerge. That\u2019s like a pivoting perspective, and I just wait for that.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> that what you\u2019re saying?<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah, yeah. It\u2019s not, you know, like the word hack does not go with contemplation, right? It\u2019s like, it\u2019s the opposite of hacking, you know? It is the softest way. Like, and it\u2019s, and it\u2019s, and therefore it\u2019s the quickest because you are, it\u2019s, you know, you can\u2019t, the strategic mind can\u2019t get in there and do something.<\/span><\/p>\n

I mean, we, part of the trick of the gene keys, because it\u2019s all just a trick. It\u2019s a hall of mirrors, you know, it\u2019s a, it\u2019s a, it\u2019s a system. It\u2019s made up. Any system is a trick to trick you, to trick your strategic mind into relaxing so that you, so that something opens up inside you. And then you come into tune with your inner nature.<\/span><\/p>\n

All systems, I\u2019m sorry to say, are tricks and jenky iss the same. So it tricks your mind into like sort of trying to unravel a shadow and think about it and understand it. And then the gift sounds good that I kind of, yeah, I\u2019d like to feel that. And the city sounds right really out there. How am I gonna get to ecstasy?<\/span><\/p>\n

You know, or you know, and, but it\u2019s about opening up to the worldview and the possibility that, wow, actually, what if I were ecstatic? What would that feel like? What would that look like? How different would my life kind of be and what would I do? And, you know, would I do anything if I experienced natural ecstasy?<\/span><\/p>\n

Like, does anyone have that? Uh, I\u2019ve heard that. Maybe it happens. And so maybe one of the things you do in your contemplation is you start following these, these intuitive signals. So you might be like, well, I\u2019ve got ecstasy. And you start reading about Anand Mai Ma or someone like one of these great saints who fell into ecstasy and you\u2019re like, wow.<\/span><\/p>\n

And you start to resonate with your own energy field and you find your way into that, and then you kind of bypass the, you know, the need to actually try and do something. And it just happens on its own. I, it is difficult thing to explain, but it does just happen on its own. But you do have to do the pausing part, so,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> So just, uh, just a, a, a couple more questions here. The path of gentle transformation. That\u2019s one of the ways you refer to the gene keys approach. And you, you, you mentioned these four different attitudes and, and approaches that are part of that patience, gentleness, contemplation, and inquiry. And I feel like we\u2019ve done a good job touching, least pointing in the direction of patience,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> And contemplation. I\u2019m curious about the inquiry part because I wanna do something, so I wanna do, I want to inquire at least in a gene keys like way. What, what do you suggest for inquiry?<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Well that\u2019s the beauty of the Gene Keys. It is a, it is a system of inquiry. I remember I told you my gift was inquiry, so, uh, like it\u2019s an invitation to inquire into. What makes you tick? So you start, so you get your profile, you look at the gene keys, you start to inquire, you start to read, you start to listen.<\/span><\/p>\n

I mean, I\u2019ve laid out a lot of poetry and a lot of, a lot of ideas and stuff. So, so like it, it cut, it starts to saturate you. The, the frequency of the teaching. It\u2019s a, it\u2019s a sort of transmission and then you come into it and it starts to, it just keeps reminding you of who you really are not, you know, I mean, I say to people, look, the shadow stuff, don\u2019t get too obsessed with it.<\/span><\/p>\n

Like maybe you only need 10% of your awareness on the shadow and the rest of your awareness could be on the gift. And even the city, like, \u2019cause then you are like, you are being aware of the thing that\u2019s tripping you up, but you\u2019re not obsessing on like, I\u2019ve gotta pull that weed out. You\u2019re just aware of it lightly.<\/span><\/p>\n

And that is enough. \u2019cause then you pick it up when it comes out and you, but most of the time you\u2019re thinking about actually more positive things and you are wondering how can I engage this creativity or this energy in a, you know, in a more positive way. And so you are, you\u2019re not negating the shadow, but you\u2019re kind of seeing the relationship between the two.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u2019cause they\u2019re two aspects of our nature, like the bit that tries to trip us up, but then the creativity that it\u2019s preventing from emerging. So they\u2019re one thing, you know, and the, the, the, it is just a set of tools that in a I\u2019m absolutely honest, it sort of distracts your mind long enough for the, for the miracle to happen.<\/span><\/p>\n

But it does also have a grit to it. That\u2019s important. \u2019cause it does, it doesn\u2019t shy away from difficult, you know, material. So it does start with these shadows. Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Richard, like, like many people, I just hopped on the Gene keys.com website. I put in my time of birth and everything. And when I got the report, I just thought, you know, I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m not, I mean, any system kind of tells me this tells me that I don\u2019t know. What would you do to someone, you know, I\u2019m glad you used the example of doubt as an issue who\u2019s just doubts that a report based<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Well, you,<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> time.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> yeah, you\u2019ll probably see reflected your, your, your very view reflected in the words. You might have judgment, you might have, um, you know, the shadow of you that may be where you begin things, you know, from that place of like suspicion. And um, and that could be a really valuable beginning. You could go well, where if I always begin from suspicion, you know, what is that?<\/span><\/p>\n

You know, where did that come from? How do I get to the bottom of that? And what\u2019s the gift in that? You know, maybe like, so if it was judgment, for example, which would, you know, could fit KY 18? Um, it\u2019s the other side of integrity, right? So the gift is integrity. \u2019cause the integrity is like, I need to make sure this is real, and this guy\u2019s for real.<\/span><\/p>\n

So I\u2019m going to, I\u2019m gonna, I\u2019m going to use this judgment and I\u2019m, you know, but the other, the flip side of the judgment is that it doesn\u2019t even want to go there, you know? So it\u2019s like, I\u2019m just going, it\u2019s, it\u2019s, you know, I\u2019m, yeah, I\u2019m not gonna go there. Whereas if you open a little bit and see, well, what\u2019s, you know, what\u2019s hidden in that judgment?<\/span><\/p>\n

Because it\u2019s, it\u2019s a beautiful thing, but it might mean that you just need to soften a little bit into that pattern. Open your heart, open your mind, you know, and enter from an empty mind perspective, instead of with preconceived ideas of what\u2019s gonna happen or what you\u2019re gonna get. I might suggest that you take a more contemplative.<\/span><\/p>\n

Approach and try and go in a bit more softly, um, and with a softer attitude. And you might be nicely surprised.<\/span><\/p>\n

I.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> As we conclude our conversation, I want to go back for a moment to the dragonfly crawling up the the reed, whatever\u2019s in the water getting ready. fly. And if you could talk about what you think that parallel is, and I\u2019m so glad that we\u2019re using poetry to talk about this bewildering time that we\u2019re in.<\/span><\/p>\n

What you think the experiences, like for us humans who are like, you know, I think I\u2019m, I think I\u2019m crawling up the reed. I wonder what, how Richard would describe that.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Well, you know, it\u2019s, it\u2019s, it\u2019s going into an integrative transcendent perspective, and that\u2019s hard to put into words, but it\u2019s. It\u2019s about remembering that we are eternal beings, really, or an eternal being. It\u2019s about remembering that we are eternal, and it\u2019s about approaching something from a state of boundlessness, like a child, like a child believes that miracles are possible.<\/span><\/p>\n

And that\u2019s what that view is like. It\u2019s, it\u2019s an absolutely soft-hearted, open-minded view of reality. And that\u2019s, that\u2019s the contemplative approach actually. And that\u2019s what kind of, uh, how, that\u2019s what reminds us in a way or reveals to us, you know, that we, the love that lies at the heart of everything, you know, so.<\/span><\/p>\n

Then, you know, when you kind of engage that love, it\u2019s, it, it\u2019s more than self-love. It\u2019s more than, you know, what is it a kind of universal love? It\u2019s, you know, it\u2019s, it\u2019s the nature of our being. It\u2019s the nature of being itself. I think when we start to have flashes of that, then, you know, things, we don\u2019t worry so much about the world and the direction of the world because we realize that that\u2019s underneath everything, everything, every single hurt human being that\u2019s under them, that\u2019s inside them.<\/span><\/p>\n

And that, yes, they\u2019re playing out maybe their shadow pattern on the world stage, you know, and maybe that person over there is playing out their gift, you know, and they\u2019re having less impact. But that\u2019s, that\u2019s love at work, in the work, you know, and, and. I think that that\u2019s the view from the dragonfly is it\u2019s the realization of the, I mean, I don\u2019t wanna sound like a kind of new age guru or whatever, but it is the realization of the, of the perfection of everything as it is right now.<\/span><\/p>\n

Um, but it\u2019s, that sounds trite, but it is actually an experience of love. Um, that kind of, that\u2019s what I experienced in those three days, and I carry it with me as a, as a sort of echo. Um, and I\u2019ve, I\u2019ve imbued the Gene Key\u2019s teachings with it. So it\u2019s not really about the teachings or the words or the, you know, it\u2019s actually in between the words.<\/span><\/p>\n

You know, I trick, I, I\u2019m open about saying I\u2019m, it\u2019s a trick. Um, it, it\u2019s, you know, if, if you want to be tricked, then this is a great place to come and be tricked into loving yourself. That\u2019s really what it is.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Richard Rudd, founder of the Gene Keys. I\u2019ve loved talking with you.<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Thanks, Tami. Me too.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> I hope we get a another chance and I\u2019d love to meet you in person sometime,<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard Rudd:<\/b> Likewise.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tami Simon:<\/b> Thank you so much.<\/span><\/p>\n

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