“Is it okay that we are hurting people in order to make money?”

That’s the question Raj Sisodia has been putting to business leaders for two decades—and he isn’t asking rhetorically. This week, Tami Simon speaks with the prolific author, professor, and cofounder of the conscious capitalism movement about his new book, Healing Leaders, and the seven-step spiral that took him from a successful academic career into the deepest healing work of his life at age 60.

Join Tami and Raj to explore:

• Why “false profits” mask the real cost of business as usual—in burnout, stress, and lives
• The four pillars of conscious capitalism, and why doing all of them together changes everything
• Strength without love is tyranny; love without strength is ineffective—the leaders who held both
• What happened when four women asked Raj how he could write a book on healing without healing himself
• LIST: the acronym for love, innocence, simplicity, and truth that arrived in the Amazon
• “Choose your past”—the counterintuitive step that moves a leader out of victimhood
• Why your trauma isn’t your fault, but healing it is your responsibility—especially if you lead
• How to conduct a layoff with love, and the company that furloughed instead of firing
• Why this backlash moment is a test of how deeply we actually believe in these principles

Whether you lead a team of three or three thousand, Raj offers a bracing case that the inner work you keep postponing is the most generous thing you can do for the people who depend on you.

Raj Sisodia is guest faculty for Sounds True’s Inner MBA®, a six-month immersion program created in collaboration with the Greater Good Science Center at UC Berkeley. Learn more at innermba.soundstrue.com. →

This conversation offers genuine transmission, not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together, and originally aired on Sounds True One.