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Dr. Sue Morter: What is happening with this conversation about regulating the nervous system is actually dysregulating to the nervous system, because when people are worried about how to regulate their nervous system, worry is the number one way to dysregulate. We have to understand that the body—the nervous system—was built to be self-regulating, self-healing, and self-eliminating.
Tami Simon: We are built for that. We’re just not using our system properly. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, my guest is Dr. Sue Morter. Friends and colleagues call her Dr. Sue. Dr. Sue earned her doctorate of chiropractic more than 40 years ago, and since that time has developed a groundbreaking body of work in bioenergetics, focusing on clearing interference in the nervous system and resetting the body’s electromagnetic flow. In 2019, Dr. Sue released the bestselling book The Energy Codes. She’s also the founder of the Body Awake School of Yoga and the Morter Institute, and an internationally renowned speaker. Today we’ll be talking about her new book, The Anatomy of Awakening. Dr. Sue, welcome.
Dr. Sue Morter: Well, thank you so much for having me, Tami. It’s wonderful to be here with you, and I look forward to seeing where we get to go today.
Tami Simon: In reading The Anatomy of Awakening, I learned that twenty-five years ago you had a life-altering—that’s the way you described it—spiritual experience, and I wonder if you can take us to what actually occurred.
Dr. Sue Morter: Sure. I was in a state in my life desiring to have peace of mind, really searching, and I stumbled upon a meditation group. I was attending one of the very first times to sit and meditate with a group of people. I had several things leading up to this moment. I was an over-giver, an over-trier, an overachiever—all of the performance symptoms were there, loud and clear. I was making a decision in my life not to let that run my life anymore. I walked into this room to sit down and enjoy the meditation, where typically I had actually been an assistant inside these workshops, running around trying to make everyone else have a great time and a good experience, and I recognized that it was sort of my time.
I just needed to do that for myself instead of always trying to help and support. I was new to meditation. It was a Hindu-based meditation group—they were chanting Sanskrit tones, things I was completely unfamiliar with, so I had to pay very close attention. They were chanting, and they were holding notes longer than I was ever acclimated to, being super shy and never wanting to sing in public or anything along those lines.
Now, this wasn’t singing, but it was as close to that as I ever cared to be. So I was completely uncomfortable, bottom line, and yet earnestly wanting to drop in and have a moment for myself and discover whatever this could be. With long, deep breaths, chanting specific tones, an earnest focus on this moment for myself, and allowing that repetition to take over, I was instantly transported into another state of consciousness that I didn’t even know was something to be pursuing—which I’m actually really glad about, because I would’ve been trying to achieve something, which would’ve kept me, of course, from ever being able to drop into it, given my disposition at the time.
I was in a light so brilliantly bright—it was ten times brighter than the brightest day in the desert I had ever seen—and it was completely engulfing. It wasn’t a brightness I wanted to get away from; it was just what was so. I knew in an instant that this was the truth of who I was, and that we all are. I could see in every direction—above, below, behind, beside me. I was embedded into the earth, which I could see beneath me, about the size of a marble, and it felt like I was embedded into it up to what would’ve been my knees, but I didn’t have knees, because I wasn’t in a body. As strange as this may sound, I was a ray of light that was pure conscious light, and this brilliant light was pouring through my system and literally pouring into the earth beneath me. And every time I took a breath—I did have free will, I had choice, because I could choose to take a big breath or a small breath—this beautiful pink horizon, this iridescent, translucent pink color, would rise up with every inhale, and it would lower down to a horizon of sorts, in front, behind, all around, as I would exhale. Each time I took this breath, this light literally—it felt like it was becoming love as it was pouring down through me and into the earth. I knew in that moment that that was the truth of who we are, and I knew that I had always been there and that I would always be there.
I was completely fulfilled, satiated, satisfied, wholly whole. There was nowhere to go, nothing to become, nothing broken, nothing missing, nothing wrong, and I knew that this was true about all of us—that this is what we’re doing, and that the heavens are right here. It is one and the same. And in that state, I felt as my true self had been unfolded, unveiled. As I came down out of that state—I don’t know how long I was there—when I did come down, I was back in the room, chanting with all these people, and I looked at the teacher who was leading the event, and she knew what was happening, in some way. It was as if all the to-do list I had been given to run around behind the scenes had done its job.
It just kind of put me over the edge and allowed me to completely drop in, with a desire to serve some sense of self that I had never found—and find it, I did. So it was the beginning of a new way of looking at life. I’ve spent the last twenty-six years really working with what I know to be true, and teaching people how to embody this light that we are, and allow it to be all that it is, without us distorting it and disrupting it and altering it in all the ways that we do, which lead us to the pain and the suffering that we experience.
Tami Simon: I appreciate the detail, Dr. Sue, and I think our listeners were able to travel with you to some degree and experience what you experienced. The question I have is about the stabilization of that life-altering experience. I think many of us have an experience—we go out, it could be in meditation, it could be a psychedelic experience, or any number of experiences—where we taste what you just described, but it’s not stable in our being. “I got it, I lost it,” is the way people sometimes refer to that kind of knowing ourselves as breathing love. Talk to me about the stabilization process, if you will, from your own experience here at the start, and then we’re going to get into how you teach other people to build energetic circuitry, which is the way I’ve heard you describe it.
Dr. Sue Morter: Sure, you bet. So, that moment only opened my mind to a different reality—it didn’t change how I engaged in relationship, or what I knew to do in terms of my business, or how to heal circumstances in my own physiology, my body, my mind, or my emotional states. I became obsessed with how to reproduce that state, how to get there again, how to have that be true for me in more than one moment. What I recognized was that I needed to get in my body with the same vibrational frequencies I had experienced in this exalted state, which seemed out of body, seemed other-dimensional in some way. I was coming out of chiropractic, so my orientation was the natural healing capacity of the physical form, and what allows healing and transformation to happen on a physical, mental, and emotional level. I found myself applying those principles into this new point of reference. And I realized that whenever I would try to be back in that state, it would never happen. When I would try to reproduce the circumstances and everything I could remember, it wouldn’t happen.
And when I wouldn’t try—when I would surrender and just go about treating my patients and getting on with my day—I would have flashes of it, in the same state. It wasn’t metaphorical; I was in that state again, and then back here again. I recognized that something was opening when I wasn’t trying, when I was in a surrendered state, simply allowing something—but in an organized fashion. This allowance and this surrender started to take root for me, to the point that I could journey into this inner realm on command.
And it took me about five years to figure that out, because I didn’t have anyone really showing me what to do. I was just drawing upon what was beginning to feel aligned, what was beginning to feel familiar with those higher states I was accessing, and being able to maintain those frequencies in my own system regardless of what was going on in my external environment. So my internal environment began to become more important than my external circumstances—which we know in theory, and which teachings in consciousness, meditation, and the Eastern traditions are always referencing. I was finding it was really true. This is actually what is required to begin to stabilize this, to be able to have consistent access.
So people seek enlightenment, but what I was discovering was that enlightenment is actually what we are. We are the light coming into the physical dimension; we’re coming into physical form. As science is showing us, the foundation of our reality is based in consciousness. So we are energy that is awake, and we are the compression of that field of consciousness into physical form. I was drawing upon the idea that all physical matter is compressed energy. My physical body is compressed energy, and that energy at its highest vibrational frequency is light. So the idea that we are light in body form was easy for me to embrace. But the body piece was what I recognized people were missing—they were seeking enlightenment, when actually the key was, we are the light, and seeking full embodiment is where we should be putting our attention. So I started working with how to do that—how to be in your body, how to know that you’re in your body, how to make sure that on a conscious and a subconscious level we’re aligning with our true design, allowing ourselves to express into the full expression of who we are, which reflects why we’re here, what we’re doing, our purpose, our presence on the planet, and so on.
I didn’t say this in the beginning—I forgot to mention it—that I was seeking meditation in part because I was drawn to it innately, but I also started getting migraine headaches, and I knew the research was showing meditation was helpful for headaches. So I was off to learn to meditate. Within the very first few times I sat to meditate, I started having transcendental experiences, and it was about the third time I meditated that this experience I just shared is what unfolded for me. Not only did the migraine headaches heal when I started learning to get in my body with this high state of consciousness I was accessing, I was also born with scoliosis, which has disentangled, unwound, and healed in my system at this time. I had lived with back pain, neck pain, and strength issues my whole life.
Little by little, as I was learning to generate a bodily response to the states of consciousness I was now aware of, and get them to align—which means you can’t walk around with tension in your neck, you can’t walk around with your stomach locked up, you can’t worry yourself into tightness of chest and guttural responses if you want this whole system to operate the way it’s intended—it had my attention, the things that were transforming for me. I began to share these ideas with my patients, and I began to see that they were getting better faster and staying better longer. So I started codifying what was happening, trying to wrap my mind around what combination of areas to pay attention to, focuses to have, and ways to be, that were going to truly serve the unfoldment of our true destiny.
Tami Simon: Dr. Sue, you have my attention right now, because headaches and scoliosis have been two of my historical challenges as a person. Here’s what I really want to understand—there’s so much I want to understand about the energetic circuitry and the flow in our energy that supports this kind of embodied living of the expansive pink love that you described. Let’s start with what blocks it, what entangles us, and what cramps our head in tension. How come we can’t just surrender and feel and circulate this extraordinarily high frequency naturally? The frequency is natural, but we’re somehow not able to flow with it.
Dr. Sue Morter: Yes, indeed. That’s the human challenge—that’s what we’re here, I feel, to awaken to, to recognize. I feel like we sort of land here, and we splat, and we disperse—we disperse the energies that we are. We externally orient. We start trying to look to everyone—our parents, the big people, the teachers, the ones who clothe us and feed us—to give us feedback into our okayness and a sense of self.
So our circuits, our literal sensory nervous system, are externally oriented. We have a difficult time really understanding what it means to embody, because we’re not living in our bodies—we’re living in our minds, in our heads, with a measuring stick based on how much we are approved of, accepted, and loved by the outer world, rather than really understanding who and what we are. There’s an Eastern Sanskrit term called pratyahara, which means withdraw the senses—come here, come home, come back onto self, rather than being other-oriented. Not in a selfish way, but in a self-responsible way, so that the energies we’re comprised of can do what they do. I work with bioenergetics, which just means how the energies flow through the body—the energies that built the body, the energies that heal the body, the energies that regulate the nervous system, the digestive system, the immune system, the electromagnetic energy system, and all systems of flow: the lymphatic system, the respiratory system, the vascular system.
All of them are under the master control of what’s considered a master system, and that’s the bioenergetics—the energy system that built the body and heals the body. This energy is measured to flow. I have an image that’s really helpful for people who can be watching right now, or if you’re just listening, you can take a look at it at some point. Energy is designed to pour down through the body—what will become the body. It actually flows and hits the Earth before it even builds a body. It hits the Earth, reflects back up, and rises, and then it fountains out and cycles around and around upon itself. It’s always coming in, always hitting the Earth, always rising up again, always cycling. This is called a toric field flow—a donut shape, a rolling of an energy field that’s measurable around the body. That’s the way we’re designed to operate. This system of movement is where the body is built, inside the developing womb, as a developing embryo. That’s how we’re designed to be operating—just allowing this high-frequency light from source, the energy of the unified field, the quantum field, however we want to look at it. We can reference it as divine intelligence or universal intelligence, the zero-point field, that is compressing into physical form.
So we know this law, that all physical matter is compressed energy. Just think of it like a centrifuge, generating the density of our physical mass. That’s how we’re supposed to operate. And here’s how most of us are operating: we drop in, we hit the Earth, we rise up, and somewhere along the way, we shut down the feeling of autonomy. We shut down the feeling of freedom to say and be and create and do as I would so love to create and do. We shut down the safety of loving. We shut down our voice or our ability, and we begin to operate as a separate self that’s trying to fend for itself.
With the shutdown of these aspects—these layers of our own consciousness, which are often referred to as the chakra system, though I’m not just talking about the chakras as wheels of energy inside the body, I’m saying they represent different aspects of our wholeness, our consciousness—because the reality we’re living in is based in consciousness, and so are we, our consciousness is everything to study if we really want to understand who and what we are and what we’re capable of. If we’re shutting down aspects of our consciousness in this way, this rising energy now has to circumvent where we’re contracted, where we’re not living, where we’ve shut it down, literally, physically.
We think we just shut down our attitude or our disposition, or we feel ourselves shut down around certain people or circumstances, but all of it is telling a story. This rising energy picks up a wobble, and it creates a distortion in the field. So now this individual is standing here, looking out through a distorted field, and they see a distorted reality. We see a world that doesn’t offer up opportunities, a world that doesn’t care, that overlooks us, or we affirm what we’ve prematurely concluded in the moments we shut down in these ways. Most of those shutdowns happened before we were ten. Most of them before we were five. So here we are as adults, trying to be conscious, trying to be responsible, trying to heal ourselves, trying to be good for the world and good for each other, but we’re operating in a compensated system, looking through a compensated lens that’s struggling harder than it needs to.
So what I focus on is getting at these gaps, these obstacles. You asked what the interference is, what’s in the way. What’s in the way isn’t really an obstacle, but most people go looking for their problems so they can fix them—they look for the blockages so they can fix them, which I understand. But the blockages are really gaps in communication. That’s all they are—gaps in the flow. They’re like potholes in a superhighway, so the car has to swerve and swerve, and it generates this distortion in the field for us. If we can come back onto the self, come back home to ourselves, many of us, for the first time in our lives, will start to feel like, “Oh, this is my gig. This is supposed to serve my reason for coming. I’m not here just to fit in, just to be a good person, do the right thing, show up, and serve.” Yes to all those things, but those things will come naturally as a byproduct if I’m operating this way, because that’s what we’re made of.
We’re made of all that is. Why would we ever reject or deject or deny anything that is true? But when we’re operating in this vibrational frequency—because this changes the radio station we can dial into—what happened for me that day was that I surrendered enough of these patterns of distortion, and was so filled with love and sincerity for myself, for life, and for come-what-may, because I was operating in a way that was not usual for me. This teacher had given me a list of things to do, and I always do my list, I always show up and do the right thing. I know she was onto it—she gave me a list of things to do that were impossible to do in the amount of time I was to do them, and it blew my circuits.
I went in trembling, upset, hurt, and afraid, and taking a stand for myself, all at the same time. The love that came bursting out of me created just enough more of this perfected state that consciousness lit up in my system in a way it never had before. But then getting back in the body and learning how to let that flood through all these areas is what changed the scoliosis, what changed the headaches, what changed my ability to be loving and compassionate with myself as well as others, to find my voice, and to be sharing that with my beloveds, and being able to speak into circumstances where the risks and the stakes are higher, with a grace I had never experienced before.
Tami Simon: Now let me check something with you, Dr. Sue, because as I was starting to read The Anatomy of Awakening, I started picking up what you were putting down. What felt to me—and I want to see if this is accurate—is that there’s an energetic architecture. You call it the God body, and the God body is the energetic—if you will—that is in this awakened flow state, and we can create and build circuitry that supports that flow. So we can actually energetically work with ourselves to help build a God body that’s already there, that we’re blocking. Explain the God body, in your own language.
Dr. Sue Morter: Okay. I know—it’s a big word. I was originally going to name the book that, but then the publisher thought maybe we’d just keep that on the inside of the book, and not offend anyone who didn’t want to hear about God. It’s not a religious term at all. It’s source. It’s the energy that is. It’s all of it. It’s the pure presence that is the truth of us.
We know the seven-chakra system, from the root to the crown—most people are familiar with that. What I began to become lucidly aware of—because when I was a kid, I could see energy, and I shut it down because I could tell it was making people nervous, the way I would speak about it. I thought everybody could see it, and I would talk about it, and the eyes would get big and glazed over. I remember at about age twelve just turning it off—”I don’t want to do this anymore”—when I saw it was making my mother nervous, even though she wanted to support me in every way possible. In my twenties and thirties, I would question whether I could even see the energy as a kid, because I couldn’t get it back for the life of me. But after this experience happened, in 2000, and continued with great intensity, I began to be able to see the energies again, and I began to really work with it—that there is chakras one through seven, and there are energy centers above and beneath us as well, and this sphere of energy around us.
This would be a snapshot—that whole toric field I’ve been referencing, if you took a snapshot of it, it would kind of be represented as this as well. This additional energy-center recognition is something I later discovered other people had written and spoken about as well, and it was very relieving for me to realize I wasn’t alone in this process. Chakra eight, nine, ten, and eleven is the heat in the hands and feet, and also the energy that is all around the interior of this chakra twelve. And chakra twelve is this big ascension body, this big oval of vibrational frequency that’s as high a vibration as we can be and still be in our own physical body.
If you look at it like the whole unified field is this big bedsheet, and you hung it up from two corners, and it’s hanging down—if you went up behind it and pinched part of the sheet and pushed it toward each other, that’s sort of what this first compression is in the field, that becomes this God presence, this divine presence.
Tami Simon: So you teach about these five additional chakras—maybe some people have heard of them, though I imagine a lot of our listeners are only familiar with the traditional seven. Could you take us slowly through eight, nine, ten, eleven, and twelve—where they’re located in our energy system? You call them hidden codes. What gift do we get when we know about the eighth chakra, the ninth, the tenth?
Dr. Sue Morter: Here’s what’s so interesting—I can do it in that order, but the thing that will actually turn it on for people while we’re talking about it is if we go in the order twelve, eleven, ten, nine, and eight.
Tami Simon: Do it your order, then—
Dr. Sue Morter: Here’s why.
Tami Simon: —because the thing is, for all of us, to get it in our lives.
Dr. Sue Morter: Yeah, yeah—to get it. You bet. So, that sheet pinching is twelve, and that twelve is the awareness of ourselves as the divine, that we are a divine being. We know that we come from the heavens, but we don’t realize that we are, therefore, made of that divine essence. So chakra twelve is our choice to become. If we think of it like this: the divine only creates divine. So chakra twelve is your divine presence, the version of you that is unaltered, undistorted, not diminished. You are actually this energy field long before you are—
Tami Simon: —a golden egg, and I want to get into the sense of it. I notice for me that’s really helpful—like the fact that, oh, there’s a golden egg around me. I actually feel that and sense that, and can sense sometimes when it’s broken, or cracked, or scrambled, or God knows what happened to the egg.
Dr. Sue Morter: Yeah… cracking the egg… yes.
Tami Simon: So, to sit with that—there’s a chakra that’s actually surrounding us, a golden egg, I think.
Dr. Sue Morter: Yeah. And it’s not just surrounding us, it’s actually the real us. We are actually, first, an energy being. We create a body to navigate this physical dimension. We are an energy presence that is here, compressing into physical form, in order to live in a physical reality. So while we’re here, we’re identifying as these physical bodies, and we have chakras one through seven, an eight and a nine overhead, a ten underfoot, and an eleven in our hands and feet—which is why people have heat in their hands, electrical feelings, and so on. That’s why people put their hands up when they want to give healing energy to someone. It’s because it’s more pure, more unaltered—it’s running right through our system. It’s innate intelligence. It’s what allows us to heal, to digest, to filter, to cleanse, and so on. And then that eleven surrenders out even more into this golden egg around us. The golden-egg sense of self is the glow we see emanating, radiating, when holy beings are painted in Renaissance times with the glowing emanation around the crown. Maybe some of you have felt that glow in meditation, or in the palms of your hands, or the soles of your feet—and that is a very real thing.
It’s actually closer to the truth of who you are than just a person who’s trying to learn to discover these things. When you’re tuned in to that felt sense, you begin breathing differently. You begin to automatically feel the preciousness and the divinity of life, because as twelve becomes eleven on the way in, presence is the only thing that’s true, the only thing that’s real. Then we plant ourselves in chakra ten, which is located two feet or lower into the Earth from wherever you are—think of it like the Earth star, as it’s been referenced. It’s you anchoring and grounding and rooting yourself in the most clear and pristine fashion.
So chakra ten is like the root chakra of our invisible architecture, our invisible anatomy that surrounds the physical body. Long before the physical body even exists, it exists. This ten is like the higher self, but anchored in the Earth. The quality of chakra ten is your groundedness—it’s a greater love. I picture it like molten lava at the center of the Earth. Molten lava embraces everything—nothing’s going to fall into molten lava and not end up part of it. It’s not going to keep you separate. It’s completely unconditional in its embrace. Imagine that your love, your presence on this planet, was that quality of love—that you are loved that much, you have the capacity to love that much—and the closer you get to that, the more you’re able to manage your internal reality regardless of your external circumstances, because you’re not taking up arms to go fight the fight. You’re approaching it from an entirely different way. It’s the greatest transmuting quality on Earth, this quality of love. It dissolves everything—I call it the universal solvent. Anything we’re willing to love into is going to be transformed, including ourselves. All of that is represented in a state of consciousness associated with chakra ten.
And chakra nine is located feet above the head, or higher. It represents our soul purpose, the reason we’re here. It’s an awareness—when we awaken at chakra nine’s state of consciousness, we’re having revelation after revelation. Things like your life flashing before your eyes, the way people from out-of-body or near-death experiences come back and share that they saw the real meaning behind something, saw the gift that was in it, saw another way of looking at it. That’s someone illuminating at chakra nine—their capacity to see from a bird’s-eye view, life from a different perspective, one that’s not based in survival but based in awakening, in coming here to have our day on Earth as an experience of consciousness having an experience of itself. That’s what we’re doing here.
And chakra eight is more about our life plan, and the way that life purpose, that soul purpose, is going to unfold through a plan that becomes organized—like soul contracts, where you have agreements with people that you’re going to be prodded in certain ways, or triggered, or activated, or guided, in order to fulfill your destiny here, to awaken into your magnificence.
So if I put those in this pattern for a moment: hierarchically, energetically, chakra twelve is where we begin. There’s a choice to become, to incarnate, and we become that oval egg. Then that sets in motion our purpose for being here, landing in chakra ten. When this divine source energy pours in and we receive it—if the human body were standing here, it would be right there—this energy comes in, grounds you at the Earth level, and rises up through your system, generating that toric field I’m talking about. As we come present to ourselves in the ways we’ve been taught to, this energy begins to fill this vessel that we are. And as it fills and fills, we start having revelations. We start remembering who we are. We start recognizing there’s a pathway for me that I am actually carving.
I’m not here to fit into something else. I’m here as the creative source itself, carving pathways of bringing light into the density of human consciousness, if you will. That cycling and recycling is allowing me multiple opportunities to work through those areas I had shut down, that created that wobble and distortion. And as we do, chakra eight is this full-on expression—your life plan is to see a blessing in everything, to bring that blessing forth, to bring it into the world, to show others how to see in this way. Once we land and embody and integrate these frequencies in a way that’s self-healing, the very next thing that happens is this recognition that, oh my gosh, these things haven’t been working against me—they’ve been supporting me in terms of how I was ever going to discover my true, deep, rich, magnificent self, and elevate and exalt into these states. So what happened for me that day was this lit up—I lit up in this area where divine light was pouring in. I was that. I was still identifying as that, and I was here in this reality, awake to who I was, when I chose to come without being distorted or disrupted.
Most people are way out ahead of this—over-trying and over-giving. They’re not in the sweet spot, because right here is where the descending energy, divine light, is pouring into us all the time, from every direction. It’s hitting the Earth, rising up, and we’re working through our own ability to love ourselves enough, to be present, to forgive—all the things we’re working out. Where those two are crossing over each other is where we’re constantly being fed and supported by the forces of Mother Nature, the stability of the groundedness of being on the planet. Most people are out here, over-trying—they miss this sweet spot—or they’re back here, hiding, hesitant to do anything, hesitant to speak their truth, hesitant to reach out or think they can do the things they want to do. They’re missing the sweet spot. So the whole journey becomes about how do I find that place where these higher five chakras, these levels of consciousness, are awakening. I’m awakening to them—they’re not something I possess, they’re parts of me I didn’t know I was. When I can start to know what they represent, I can start to live into them.
So that’s just some background that lays this out, to have context for: we are the light coming in, we are the energy that’s dropping in, in this systematic way, and our job is to allow that to happen. When we start to animate at chakra eight, nine, ten, eleven, and twelve, we create a temple—a sacred space where, on the inside of that, chakras one through seven have a better chance of expressing wholly and fully, because they’re not feeling like they’re on their own. They’re supported by something even higher that’s holding the space. So it translates, sort of, if someone has spirit guides, or feels divinely guided or protected, or feels that prayer brings something to them—I’d say there’s an actual architecture to that, an anatomy to it that’s invisible to most eyes. Because of its invisibility, we haven’t known to give it credit. We might think, oh, I’d like to awaken higher at chakra eight, and work with it that way, and then nine, and then I want to know about ten, and then eleven, and ultimately I want that to all blossom out into this golden egg around me—and that is an order, and I talk about it in the book.
But I always love the opportunity to step in here and say: you’re not a physical being that’s trying to learn about your divinity. You’re a divine being that’s here to fully awaken inside of your physicality, the physical vehicle you built to even be here. When you put it that way, when you flip it over—I call this the quantum flip—we’re now operating as if we’re in charge. We’re not seeking for something. We know who we are, and our job is to land here and be more free in our expressions than we ever knew before, that we had the right to. It’s already here. It’s not something we’re going to achieve, or accomplish, or acquire.
Tami Simon: Dr. Sue, we did a quantum flip together right here. I really liked it. Thank you. Now I want to ask a couple of clarifying questions. When you started with the hidden code of chakra twelve, and you were describing the golden egg, you said that in that, we breathe differently. I thought, “Oh, that’s interesting—how do we breathe differently when we’re in an established field of a golden egg?”
Dr. Sue Morter: There’s an automatic spherical breathing that begins to happen. You can practice the spherical breathing, which brings you in the back door, so you can prepare your system to awaken more easily. It starts in the belly—inhale in the belly, stretch open your solar plexus right where your ribs splay apart, then inhale up into your heart and into your chest, then inhale bigger than the physical body, and then exhale in every direction, as if you’re filling this golden egg at about arm’s reach on both sides and higher. It’s like ten feet and twenty feet above and below, at its minimum—so it’s safe to have the egg be about that size.
Let’s take a breath from this perimeter of a golden egg around you. Breathe into your belly. Stretch open your solar plexus and breathe through that. Breathe up into your heart and into your chest. Inhale bigger than your physical body. And then exhale in every direction—in front of you, behind you, beside you, left, right, above, and below. Inhale from every direction, right into your belly. Inhale more, stretch open the solar plexus, let it fill your heart and your chest. Inhale bigger than the body, and exhale in every direction—in front of you, behind you, above and below. Over and over, that breath begins to fluctuate in an energetic fashion that allows you to resonate at a different frequency. When you hit that, you may be spherical breathing over and over for several minutes, and all of a sudden you aren’t doing the breathing—you feel like you’re being breathed. When you’re being breathed, you’re definitely tapping into the frequencies of chakra twelve, which is why it’s referenced as this ascension body of energy. In that state, we’re able to dissolve more and more of those blockages, filling in more and more of those potholes in that superhighway we were talking about. We’re automatically generating a chemistry of acceptance and embrace in the brains of the body, heart, and mind—there’s a brain in your gut, a brain in your heart, a brain in your head, and they begin to reference each other. Our body changes, neurotransmission changes, and the next thing you know, we’re illuminating in higher brain states above the primitive brain, and we’re in a revelatory state. It’s a systematic thing designed to be operating in your favor. The whole system is built for your illumination, because we’re made of light. We came in, we built these vehicles, and we’re operating through them—but no one told us how to utilize them for what they were built for, and so we suffer.
Tami Simon: Dr. Sue, we’re going to have to do a part two to this conversation sometime, if you’re willing—there’s more alive in me that I want to talk with you about. But before we end, one more topic: in our time, many people are feeling challenged at the level of their nervous system. I hear, “Who’s sleeping? Since the pandemic started, who gets a good night’s sleep?” Nobody I know. There’s this sense of chronic nervous system dysregulation, and I’ve heard some people say, “Well, Tami, this is actually a sign of the times we’re in, in terms of accelerated spiritual growth, and the nervous systems we’ve had don’t have the circuitry to handle the higher frequencies that are available now.” That’s one perspective. A lot of other people say, “No, I’m just scared of civilizational collapse, Tami—please just look at it the way it is.” I wonder how you see it.
Dr. Sue Morter: I do see it that we’re in an evolutionary state. We’re waking. We’re capable of more things in terms of perceiving and tolerating the vastness of our being. Quantum science is downloading more information into our world—we’re having to embrace a new science, to recognize that our nervous system is sensory, not motor-oriented, meaning we’re smarter to learn to sense and feel the reality of our true anatomy, like we’ve been talking about today. As we do, our systems begin to orient not to the news, but to a deeper truth, a timeless truth that has always been and will always be. Whether this civilization makes it or not, what we really need to be doing is identifying as the one who can walk right through it, who can maintain their wherewithal to offer up creative solutions, rather than getting caught up in the herd of being freaked out, the mass hysteria that happens in so many ways.
What is happening with this conversation about regulating the nervous system is actually dysregulating to the nervous system, because when people are worried about how to regulate their nervous system, worry is the number one way to dysregulate. We have to understand that the body, the nervous system, was built to be self-regulating, self-healing, and self-eliminating. We are built for that—we’re just not using our system properly. If we would turn our attention to learning how to use our system properly, we’d actually be regulating the system as an automatic byproduct of that, and the parasympathetic and sympathetic divisions of the autonomic nervous system are automatically going to come into balance if we bring a greater sense of harmony into the body.
My work for the last twenty-six years has been embodiment—for the purpose of regulating the nervous system, and also for so much more: awakening to the truth of who we are. But we can’t have that awakening if we’re locked down in fight or flight, because fight or flight is the illusory world we’re caught up in, because we’re living from our five senses. What I’m trying to do with this book and the coursework I’m teaching is to allow people to remember the rest of who they are, which has the full-on capacity to move through these times with grace, instead of being reactive and caught up in what the outer world is presenting. That the outer world is presenting so much chaos is definitely going to evolve us, because we have to deal with it. It’s sort of the backside of the model, but it works. There’s a better way, an easier way, which is what I call this quantum flip on the front side of the model—really embracing what’s happening and loving how it’s evolving us.
All we need to do is learn how it’s evolving us, which is what I talk about once we get past this anatomical layout—how do we use it, how do we work with it, how do we enliven these aspects of our consciousness so they get to have a vote in how we sleep, a vote in how we interpret what’s going on in the news, a vote in how we translate our past and move from it into the present, free and clear, in an undistorted version of ourselves. Those are a few things I think about.
Tami Simon: And just to be sure to leave our listeners in a grounded, well-resourced place—what would you say to the person who says, “I’m inspired by the model, I even kind of grok it, the spherical breath, great, but I still find myself wobbly right now.” What easy practice can Dr. Sue suggest to do at this time?
Dr. Sue Morter: Oh, you bet. So right now, you follow the wobble. You ask, “Where in my body is this wobble coming from?” And I’m going to give you something else here, as fast as I can, since I know our time is scheduled. There are four anchor points within the body, the most effective of which is at the tip of the spine. At the tip of the spine, you can squeeze the musculature there, which is sort of like a Kegel exercise—it’s called Mula Bandha, which means root lock. If you’re up and in this spaciousness of a big, expansive conversation, or if you’re up and in some expansiveness of worrying, or thinking about the future and out of sorts in any way, you squeeze this Mula Bandha, sort of like a Kegel exercise, and instantly your energy rushes to the rootedness of your being. Then you exhale right down into the Earth, with your vision on that chakra ten that’s two feet into the Earth, and then you take a breath up from there.
So here’s how you do it: if you were going to the bathroom and had to stop the stream instantly, you’d squeeze the muscles in the perineum, the pelvic floor. Squeeze those muscles—squeeze them with everything you’ve got right now, and take a belly breath. Then relax them by half, and take another belly breath. Then relax that by half again, but keep something there, and take another belly breath. When you exhale, exhale into the Earth each time. When you inhale, inhale up from the Earth, through that small, gentle contraction at the base of the spine. That contraction anchors you instantly—it’s directly associated with chakra one, and when you exhale into the Earth, you’re combining chakra ten and chakra one, which is a super anchoring process.
Another one that’s very easy: roll your shoulders up and back and down, pull your shoulder blades together, drop them down your spine—it activates the center of the spine, and your heart stabilizes. When your heart stabilizes, it changes the chemistry, the signaling, everything. Heart coherence is so much easier if you’ll just anchor yourself back there. This heart center—if we pull this and connect it to this, the whole central channel starts to route itself into the Earth—and that’s what we want. We want to be grounded, we want to be stable.
Tami Simon: I know we’re short on time—
Dr. Sue Morter: Okay, dear. All right, dear.
Tami Simon: —but thank you for bringing us the elixir we need.
Dr. Sue Morter: Okay. Good, good. Here we go. So back to this image—there’s a gap here somewhere, interference, we’ll just call it interference. Many people would call it their blockages. I’m saying there’s no thing in you that you need to get rid of. You don’t have a blockage. There’s no problem. There’s just circuits that haven’t been built yet.
So to build the energetic circuitry, here’s what we can do: if you’re triggered about something, your body is how you’re going to land yourself. We have to remember this—we came here to embody. We’re in the physical world. Our physical body has everything to do with why we’re here. So let’s envision that, in the doorway of the room you’re sitting in right now, someone who triggers you walks into that doorway, and you feel it. Your body reacts. Your energy rushes over to them. Your heart starts pounding. You feel empty, and likely some nervousness or shakiness is accompanying that. Someone you’ve had a difficult time with in the past, or a situation, not even a person—it could be a life circumstance, the money’s not there, or the person who left you, or the job you can’t find, whatever it might be. Put it in the doorway and look at it, and all of your energy rushes over there. We have to realize that you’re made of photons, little particles of light. And photons rush wherever your consciousness goes—where your attention goes, energy flows. So your energy is rushing out of you and onto that, onto them, there. That’s called being on an object instead of being on self, on subject. So look at them in the doorway, and secretly just pull your energy back onto you. Secretly pull it back home, and take a belly breath. Squeeze Mula Bandha. Squeeze your shoulder blades down your spine. You’re pulling these little photons right back onto self. You can still look at them and talk with them, but if you literally multitask, pulling this energy back onto self at the same moment, you will feel like a different individual.
You will feel different in this world, especially relative to this. Then you’re going to take it a step further, and ask, “Where in my system am I leaking energy onto them?”—because these little areas, it’s going to leak, it’s going to be sucked right out, and you’re projecting all your power over there onto them, instead of using that moment to heal yourself up right here. So here’s what we do: we just ask, “Where in my body could I build the circuitry, the energetic circuitry, to clear this up?” Move it closer and closer to this. Your mind is going to answer that question, not with words—it’s going to go, it’s going to be thinking about this, or your chest, or your solar plexus, or your gut below the navel, something—it’s just going to go somewhere. Your attention is going to go there, even if your mind is working overtime, saying, “I don’t feel anything, I don’t know what you’re talking about, I can’t.” You’ll notice you’re extra aware of this area, or this area, or this area in your body, at this time. And now you’ve found what you’re supposed to be doing with your attention—you go there, all of your attention. Let’s say your mind landed below your navel, in your gut, or maybe in your stomach area, your solar plexus, or maybe it took you right to your chest, or right to the center of your brain. Wherever your mind went, that’s the system—mind, body, and breath—trying to work together the way they were designed to. But because we’ve been overthinking, the mind isn’t in touch with the body and the breath. They’ve developed in ways where body and breath are just holding down the fort, not really in direct connection and communication—but this is how we start to knit them back together.
You go wherever in your body your mind goes when you ask a simple question: “Where in my body could I build the circuitry to be able to better handle this kind of situation, and others?” And then what happens: you go there, you sit in that spot, and you breathe. In that breath you love, and you give it everything you’ve got, right there. You find ways to let go of other thoughts, other ways of being, that don’t matter in this moment, because a hundred percent of you is supposed to go into this place—in your gut, your heart, your throat, your navel area, wherever it is. And what will happen is you will feel like you’re there, in some way you weren’t before. The more you love inside that part of you specifically, the more dramatically you’ll feel what I’m talking about. When you sit down in that area, loving and breathing, it lands. And when it lands, you begin this central-channel breath. You take a breath from wherever it had you, and you exhale into the Earth—just exhale into the Earth, right through your pelvis, straight down, as if you could breathe through the tip of your spine. Then you take a breath up from the tip, through Mula Bandha, contracting into wherever this area was that brought you. Then you exhale from that area out the top of this central channel. Now breathe in again from overhead, right back into that area, wherever it was, then exhale down into the Earth again. You can do this two or three times. In that, you’re reestablishing this—you’re moving it right through here, in ways that are destined and designed to organize your system.
So in that, we’re building the energetic circuitry that allows us to start moving from here. One triggered moment, by another, by another, by another, is going to direct you in how to clean this up without trying to figure out the story. You’re just working with the raw energy underneath, and that’s what we’re here to do.
Not get involved in the drama, not think we have to go get someone’s forgiveness, or forgive them, or let them know. It’s all about the levels of consciousness you’re embracing and allowing to become animated. When you do, those forgivenesses take care of themselves. Those lettings-go of things we try so hard to do—they take care of themselves.
And, lastly, I’ll just say, Tami—the reason for my scoliosis was this. Can you see how scoliosis would exist right there, in a beautiful way? It’s just because of aspects of our greatness that we haven’t embraced, aspects of our wholeness that we haven’t animated, that we don’t even know what they are. This is a way of getting them enlivened without having to figure it out intellectually, because our mind is actually the last to know. There’s so much more wisdom on the rise, and what we want to do is train the mind to listen, to be the steward of this system we’re talking about, instead of trying to use our minds to override our fears and concerns about what’s happening in the world today. We just need to become a stabilizing presence—as a byproduct of that, we end up walking straight through things, instead of having to try to outrun them, or hide from them, the way the world is doing right now.
Tami Simon: Some people might say our conversation was esoteric. I have to say, I found it extraordinarily practical.
Dr. Sue Morter: Ah.
Tami Simon: Thank you so much, and I do hope to come back around with you for part two.
Dr. Sue Morter: You let me know.
Tami Simon: I will, I will.
Dr. Sue Morter: I will be there.
Tami Simon: We’ve been talking with Dr. Sue Morter about her new book, The Anatomy of Awakening, and the energetic architecture that supports our full potential, here and now. Thank you so much, Dr. Sue—I really loved this.
Dr. Sue Morter: Blessings. Thank you for the invitation, and thank you, Tami, for all you’ve done for so many years, for so many people, in so many ways. It’s a true inspiration for humanity. So, thank you.
Tami Simon: Blessings.
Dr. Sue Morter: Blessings to you.
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