Richard Rudd: Just happened that I woke up one morning in my bed and I woke up into another world, into another state, and it was a world of light and a world of illumination where the light was just coursing through me and there was an intelligence to the light and there was no fear in my system. It had just gone.
Tami Simon: Welcome friends in this episode of Insights at the Edge. My guest is Richard Rudd. Richard is a teacher, mystic, and award-winning poet. He’s best known for his work as the founder of the Gene Keys, which is a system that synthesizes wisdom from different traditions to help people unlock their highest potential. His primary residence is Devon England, and he’s a husband, a father, and someone. I’m meeting here for the first time and I have so much interest in curiosity. Richard, welcome
Richard Rudd: Thank you, Tami. It is lovely to be here and also lovely to meet you.
Tami Simon: In learning about your life story. What I learned was that early in your life, you were 29 years old, you had a major initiation. That would be my language, a major spiritual experience that say informed rest of your life. It included of the future, important memories from our collective past.
And I wanna start there and hear about what you experienced and what you saw.
Richard Rudd: Yeah, I mean, they’re funny, these things aren’t they? These sort of epiphany events that some people have and, well, we all, we all have them, I think, in different degrees. Um, yeah, it was, uh, it, I, I think it was just, I guess it’s, it makes a good story, you know? Um. And it did happen. Um, but I dunno how it happened and I wasn’t doing anything to make it happen.
Um, but it just happened that I woke up one morning in my bed and I woke up into another world, into another state, and, um, outta my sleep, I came into this other world. And, um, and it was a world of light and a world of illumination and where the light was just coursing through me and there was an intelligence to the light and there was no fear in my system.
It had just gone. And I was, uh, I, it was like a welcome to me. It was like, wow, I, this is very familiar actually. And so it seemed, although it was extraordinary, it seemed familiar and, um, and I kind of went with it and not knowing what, what was going on. Um. I had three days, uh, like that, and three nights I didn’t really sleep.
Um, and I, I didn’t eat much. I, I don’t think I ate anything actually. I just drank a lot of water. And in those three days and three nights, yeah, I had a lot of, um, kind of cellular memories and, um, it’s very hard to explain. So many layers of things kind of took place in inside my being. And, um, uh, years later I kind of look back at it and I think I, now I understand.
I was sort of through, one way of saying it is that I was sort of given a view through the future human, you know, so the human that was coming, that was going to evolve out of the current one. I kind of saw a, I, I saw what it was like to see through the lens of that more advanced version of the one that we are now.
So that’s how I’ve understood it, but I didn’t understand it like that Then, um, and then it, and then the experience just kinda washed off me at the end of the third day. And, um, I was just back to being good old Richard, um, you know, slightly screwed up young man. And so, um, yeah, that was, that was the experience and it did, it did sort of define my spiritual life and some of my spiritual seeking and set me on a definite journey of I was already on a journey, but.
It was difficult to integrate. Um, put it like that. It wa it was, um, it took me probably a good seven years actually, I think, to integrate it, but it led to eventually what became the gene keys. But, um, it was, I didn’t receive a download. It wasn’t anything like that that some people call ’em the download.
It was just pure light. And the light had intelligence and memory and, and when I say memory, I also can apply that forwards in time, which we often don’t do with memory. We, we kind of assume it’s back, but I kind of remembered things forward in time as well as backwards in time. So, yeah.
Tami Simon: Okay,
Richard Rudd: does,
Tami Simon: let’s, let’s go into that a little bit more, if that’s okay with
Richard Rudd: sure.
Tami Simon: So. You know, you said, well, lots of people have experiences and Yeah, lots of people do, but I don’t talk to that many people and I haven’t heard that many people who have three days of an immersion in Wakeful light and see the, a future of what humanity.
So I, I find this really unusual and really interesting. While this was happening, what were your reflections like? Did you think, holy god, what the hell’s gone on? Or were you not even reflecting, like what was going on for you in the midst of
Richard Rudd: Um,
Tami Simon: Was there any of your sort of ordinary consciousness
Richard Rudd: yeah, I was sort of the, the, well, I was more functioning on a kind of mythic level. Um, so, you know, my ordinary consciousness had kind of gone to this mythic framework where. Memories were coming to me in a sort of mythic way, and I was sort of, I was, I was out and about, right? So I was, I, I had a car and I was, I was listening to where the energy wanted to go and what it wanted to do.
And at times I had, you know, I had some notebooks and I just, and I filled the notebooks in like a couple of hours. I just filled them with just reams of stuff and draw drawings and diagram. And I still have the notebooks actually. And, and, um, and I look at ’em sometimes and I’m like, what? I, I still don’t understand some of that.
Um, and then I was in the car and I was driving. I, and one of the things I ended up doing is I went to a wedding. Wasn’t a wedding that I had been invited to, but I stumbled across it and I became one of the audience and I sort of understood while I was at that wedding. Everything that was about marriage and sacred marriage and the yin and the yang and everything had a mythic understanding.
So everything that happened to me, um, had a sort of mythic framework around it that was teaching me. So I, I had a sort of accelerated learning about archetypal consciousness and so many strange things happened to me. I mean, just from doing this, just from following this, this impulse inside me. Um, yeah, I traveled throughout England.
I ended up, I was in Glastonbury for a bit and then I, ’cause I was in the, in, in the south part of the country and, and then I was near Stonehenge and I was sort of following these threads of ancient footprints and, um, and, and just all kinds of woven layers of the past were kind of moving through me. And as I said, memories, um, and sort of.
Yeah. Kind of tastes of, of mythic beings. So yeah, it was a, it was a, it was very, uh, you know, it was, it was otherworldly even though I was sort of here and I was talking to people and interacting with strangers and, and just constantly learning. Yeah.
Tami Simon: Memories of the future Human. Tell me more about that.
Richard Rudd: Well, that I didn’t realize till late, much, much later. Um, you know, because I, you know, I, I came out of that experience and, and back into here this, uh, reality and,
Tami Simon: I.
Richard Rudd: Um, and as I said, I, I sort of had to go through a lot of struggling of understanding what, what that, you know, whether that was even real actually.
Um, and sort of if you went to some of the Buddhists, they might say, oh, it’s just an illusion, you know, these, those are just illusions. You let ’em go just like anything else. And I kind of understand that as well. So I, I try not to set too much store in it, but it does it kind of. It creates a good introduction to the story of what then later became Gene Keys.
Um, but yeah, so I, I, I was unraveling this, um, you know, later I, I guess I use the algorithm, the, the allegory now of the dragonfly. The lifecycle of the dragonfly. And I have it a lot on, on my books, my Gene keys books. They have dragonflies on them, and it’s a good allegory of the future human because the, the, like a butterfly, the dragonfly lives, you know, it lives in one state of consciousness.
It’s a, it’s an underwater predator, a creature that lives under the water, um, for three or four, two or three years. And then one day it suddenly kind of goes up a stalk of grass or a reed and it goes out into the light leaves its watery environment that it’s never done that before. It’s never left the water and gone into the air.
And then within about two or three hours, it’s, it’s broken itself open. And this. Flying iridescent insect emerges. Amazing dragon. And so, in a way, what I experienced, what I now look back on, I, I experienced the view through that dragonfly. You know, if you see that as an allegorical way, like that was the, that’s what the view looks like through the future Us, um, you know, the, the future us sees things outside, you know, see, sees through time and space and experiences.
The pure light of consciousness and grace and memories of all of our lives and all of our, you know, existence and the omniscient mind of the divine that kind of can see through us. And, and the, and the, I think more powerful than anything, the absence of fear from the body. So no fear in the body at all.
And that’s the weirdest, weirdest feeling. I don’t know if anyone listening to this for whatever reason has ever come to that state, or you, yourself, Tami, but just, you know, it, there was all tension just because fear creates a subtle background tension. And I can feel it in my body even now, like very subtle if I tune into it and it’s just there, but it completely left.
So I had that view of like, wow, that’s what it’s like without any fear at all. Um, yeah, and it was, it was beautiful. It was absolutely overwhelmingly beautiful and, and, and loving.
Tami Simon: You know, Richard, I’m mostly aware of the presence of fear in the body versus the absence of fear, and I think we’ll talk more about
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: The transformational process. But here you and I are just getting to know each other, but I’m just gonna come out right here and be very real with you. I’m, I’m not familiar with the Gene keys.
I only became familiar with them in preparing for this conversation, so I have a very beginner’s mind about it. I have talked to lots of people about. Awakening and how that there’s a vision of our collective awakening. And I also hear a voice inside of me that says, look, Tami, have had these kinds of breakthroughs throughout history, turning that into something that’s gonna be the new future human for the species.
Come on, stop it. Look around. And to be honest with you, and this is, we’re getting to know each other. I have both of these voices inside of me. And so, you know, once, once you go inside my world, it’s, there’s a lot going on.
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: There’s a part of me deep in my heart. That believes in this evolutionary possibility for the human species. I sense it. know it even,
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: I have a disbelieving voice as
Richard Rudd: Hmm.
Tami Simon: says, in what millennium might this occur,
Richard Rudd: Yeah,
Tami Simon: perhaps it won’t.
Richard Rudd: Yeah,
Tami Simon: do you weigh in here as we’re talking
Richard Rudd: yeah. Well, I, I have to say I’m absolutely with you a hundred percent. You know, because when you look outside in the world and you see our behavior, um, and you, you don’t have you, you can’t quite conceive that anything like that could be possible for the species, right? Um, but then I, what I would do is like, look at the allegory of the, of the dragonfly, right?
You, when you are down under the water in your, in that watery realm, you can’t even imagine how that creature could transform from being this, you know, horizontal plane thing to this multidimensional, vertical other thing. But if you think about the evolution, if you think even about the timescales involved three years underwater, three hours going up a stalk, and then, you know, minutes.
Before, you know, as it takes to the air, that’s how quick transformation can occur and does occur. ’cause that’s the evidence right there. That’s how quick it is, you know, and, and so we never know when a quantum leap is coming. And I’m not one of these kind of hopefuls. Um, I’m, I’m a realist and I’m a father and I’m a very ordinary, grounded man just by any, anything you’ve just heard.
And, and I’m, I just, I’m just a family man really. And, um, and I kind of, so I, I, I, I look at the world as it is and I see it, but I also have watched these patterns for years now. And I also am armed with this, um, technology called the Gene Keys, which is incredible. Um. It really accurately depicts algorithms and timings and, uh, like living algorithms, uh, that live inside us as humans, but also kind of dictate the flow of our kind of trajectory.
And so one of the things that I kind of see is, and I, and I’ve learned a lot, like one of the things I’ve learned from, um, systems theory for example, is that when a system is getting ready to go through a major transition, there are signs before that happens, right? And those signs that physicists and people, they call them strange attractors, right?
There’s thing called strange attractors. And strange attractors are unforeseen events that are not linear. In any way. They come in suddenly from the side and they take everyone by surprise and they kind of reroute the direction of things. And, and when a system’s about to change you, you get more of these.
They, you can’t say what they’re gonna be or what they’re gonna do, but what they do know is that more of them appear. So you could say that the pandemic was one of those, you might even say Donald Trump is one of those a strange attractor, right? Anything that comes in that you were not expecting. Um, and that stirs things up.
And I’m not saying they’re good or bad. I, there’s no value added to, it’s just we’re going to see more of them and they create more disturbance and more ripples, and they are evidence of a declining paradigm. Right? And, and, and that it’s in that backdrop. That you kind of see early shoots of spring appearing, right?
So I’m, I’m kind of realistic. I, and, and, and many people kind of wish that it would be very soon, and I kind of, they ask how when’s this gonna happen? And I just say, well, this is gonna take hundreds of years, hundreds of years. Um, because, but, but hundreds of years is not long. Um, it, and, and it’s here now, you know, it’s actually here, like mycelium under the ground, you know, so we are perhaps in the process of going up the stalk our species.
And so we don’t really, and when you go up the stalk into the light, you don’t really know what you’re doing or why you’re doing it. Um, and it’s terrifying because you are leaving what you’ve known and, and the known starts to decline and fall away. The, and the old paradigm, everywhere you look, you see it declining.
You see the social fabric declining. You see the, you know, reality itself just sort of falling away. And so fear increases hugely, and I’ve sort of, that’s what, you know, that’s what I’ve continuously sort of been monitoring. So if you are, I think if you are very tuned in, then you can start to see the very first buds of this new consciousness.
But it’s very subtle and it’s quite inward, um, inside us, just as the first little buds pushing up through the, you know, the dark of winter. There’s always a few early ones, but you know, that spring’s still quite a long way away. But you know that the power of spring is under there. And so that’s how I frame the phase that we’re in now.
Um, and so it, what it does is it brings a huge amount of hope. But it’s not sort of hope, like false hope for me, it’s certainty, but I, I, I do my best to convey that certainty. It’s, for me, it’s a cellular certainty. ’cause I felt it and I know it. You know, knowing is a thing, right? Memory. You can’t argue with memory.
Like when you remember something, it’s, it’s something that takes place in the cells of your body. So I remembered it and, and once you’ve remembered it, you can’t un remember it. It’s like, and so I know it’s coming, I don’t know when, but I sense its arrival and I have the algorithm system, which I was also given, not me alone, many others have used it.
And it’s, um, used by other people. Like, and, and it’s a similar system to human design in some respects. Where people are, are, it’s another tool, that personal tool, um, Genki, uh, but it and allows you to, to look at patterns. Um, and then extrapolate from those patterns and get a sense of when things are coming.
And so Gene keys, and if any anyone comes in new to the Gene Keys like you, like, one of the first things that you might come into touch with is there’s a sort of prophecy woven into it. Um, so even though it’s a sort of technology of consciousness, right in the heart of it is this prophecy that kind of is around this time and particularly 2026 and 2027 as it happens.
I mean, I’ve 30 years since I had my experience and so I’ve sort of been waiting for this time, not, not waiting, kind of, you know, excitedly. I’ve just, I’ve just, it’s here now. Um, and it, and I’m not saying that everything’s gonna suddenly change, but uh, I do think these next few years we will experience a ramping up of fear, um, because.
We’re in the time of strange tractors, and that means that there are more chaotic forces around. And I think people are feeling it. And I want to give the perspective that there’s something else going on under the fear, under the surface, and it’s something quite beautiful and remarkable. And not that we should set hope in it and just go, oh, well, it’s all gonna be fine then.
Not at all. Um, but it’s, it does change things when you take that view. Does that make sense?
Tami Simon: It, what you’re saying makes sense. I wanna make sure that it’s clear to me and to our listeners, which is you use the word certainty. Certainty of what? Like I get the allegory of the. But I’m also like trying to put myself now into the dragonfly’s consciousness. It’s flying. What does that mean with certainty for me as a human?
Richard Rudd: It’s the cellular certainty that, you know, there is a, there is something hidden inside every human being, you know, a higher species, a higher being. Um, and it, and it’s actually a genetic thing, you know, it’s actually, it requires a, just as the dragonfly, the dragonfly has to go through a series of genetic mutations, molts, they’re called, and most of them are invisible.
They take place under the water and you don’t see it. No one, there’s no sign, there’s no outer signs, uh, of it. But it that, but it goes through this process inside. And then it culminates in a huge, you know, transmutation where it, where its behavior shifts. And so what we’re seeing, what’s certain is that the human behavior is gonna shift from the inside out.
So. It, it doesn’t mean that we’re suddenly all going to be loving and kind and stuff, but it does mean that there’s an awakening that’s taking place deep inside human beings, humanity itself, and that it’s beginning to pop up in the first flowers of spring. So more and more people are beginning to experience little glimmers of it, um, as it begins to pop up and open.
So that’s what I mean by the certainty. The certainty is that that awakening is baked into every human being alive. It’s ’cause it’s the truth of who we are. And as you said, the great mystics through time and space have have known it and many of us have glimpsed it in, in kind of moments or if we took plant medicine or whatever, whatever we did, or we went to deep meditation or maybe it just happened as a freak event like mine and you just came into touch with it for a moment.
Um, so it’s there and it’s. It, it’s time is coming. Um, like a wave. And the outer things that we’re seeing are part of it coming. ’cause you have to have a decline. Yeah.
Tami Simon: when you, when you use this phrase, you know, cellular
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: And you talk about genetic mutation, what I notice is two things and I, I’d love to, uh, hear your response, which is. One, I, I think to myself, hi. I don’t really know what Richard’s pointing to. Like what’s, what is the mutation that is happening at a genetic level to human beings, like the dragonfly, like what’s physically happening?
That’s one thing. I’m just curious. And then the other thing that happens though is I get extraordinarily excited. Like I can feel what you’re saying. Like when I tune in cellularly, I think, huh? I kind of get it. I kind of get it, but I don’t even know what I’m getting. But I get very excited and open and free and I’m like, oh, something’s happening physically, but help me here, Richard, understand your perspective.
Richard Rudd: I mean, I’m not a geneticist or a scientist, so I, I’m a poet. Right. So through me you have a poetic view of reality and DNA, so the genies, it’s nothing but that. This is not a CDO science, it’s a poetic version of DNA. Right. And it and it’s rooted.
Tami Simon: so, that’s good. So I can go with the poetry,
Richard Rudd: Yeah. Yeah. So, so you don’t need to kind of worry about, you know, and, and I know some science of course, and, and I’m, I love talking to scientists and mathematicians and things ’cause I do have that kind of brain that, uh, I think the experience I had helped me understand, has helped me to understand the fractal nature of the universe.
And so I have an, I have an affinity. To those things and to discoveries that science are making. And, um, but I am essentially a more right-brained kind of being.
Tami Simon: What, what’s actually happening physically? Yes. Some kind of genetic mutation that is cha that is changing the equipment, you know, and I can’t prove that one thing I have, I, you can see, you can see things like the, the, the neurodiversity that we are experiencing more and, um, things like autism and some of the, the gifts that are, are emerging through, through those, uh, children or, um, people who are kind of accessing those network levels of consciousness now.
Richard Rudd: Which, you know, I mean, I dunno if you are readers
Tami Simon: hosts
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: Of, uh, conversations like podcasts, like
Richard Rudd: To ab.
Tami Simon: At the Edge,
Richard Rudd: Exactly.
Tami Simon: Their own neurodivergence. Yes,
Richard Rudd: Exactly. So these,
Tami Simon: all the
Richard Rudd: these are, these are signs of the interconnectedness of consciousness. And of course we can see it as a, as a metaphor outside through, you know, the internet and ai like, and, you know, that’s almost an outer kind of expression of what’s going on on the inside in some way. Um, that we are kind of accessing our higher intelligence, or we’re about to, we’re just on the cusp of it.
Um, so that it is a, it, it is a very exciting time and a very frightening time at the same time.
Tami Simon: When you talk about the prophecy that’s at the center of the gene keys, and you’re talking about hundreds of years from now, this journey through our to uh, uh, it’s like I can kind of follow that and go, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you talk about something’s gonna be happening. In 20 26, 20 27, that this is a critical time, and now this time is here 30 years after you.
I, I think to myself, well, you know, I can just look at my
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: And see if this comes to be, what exactly do you think is gonna be happening
Richard Rudd: So yeah, it’s something intangible. I mean, it might have physical manifestations, who knows? But it’s something kind of intangible. It’s, it’s the death of an old cycle. It’s the decline of an old cycle. So if you look at the, the, the, the sort of, um, measuring system of the gene keys, which, which uses quite, you know, quite mathematical ways of, of tracking global cycles.
One of the things you see is that in a, is sort of for every 450 years or so, a cycle shift and it’s like a kind of cogs and gears mechanism. And then when it shifts, um, the old cycle declines. You know, it might be a civilization, it might be a, you know, an empire, it might be lots of things and it declines quite quickly and it, and something new is, appears a new phase of history appears.
And there are also larger cycles, you know, outside that. And the one that ends in 2027 is one, is part of a longer, a much longer cycle. It doesn’t mean that everything suddenly changes. It means that what it does mean, like next year, 2026, I, I sort of given it the pet name of the year of the closing door because the door is closing on that old cycle and when it’s closed, it’s like a, it’s like a super tanker that’s run out of fuel.
It’s got no fuel left in it, which means it might drift on for a bit under its own steam, but then it literally begins a rapid decline. So that’s what this time is pointing to. It’s like the death of an old cycle. So, I dunno what that looks like. I mean, I, I imagine if that were. Um, enacted out as a metaphor.
It might mean that the planet could go through an energy crisis, for example, because the energy that was available for the last 450 years or so, and going back further, but especially the last cycle, that’s where we’ve built these, you know, this civilization, this interconnected civilization all around the world, this global culture, all for good, all the good stuff and the bad stuff.
You know, that the energy for that is being taken away. And so this is what I was saying about, you know, we, we have a very linear view of history because when we look and, and not just the view, but the feel, ’cause we, we’ve got all that momentum in us, of everything we’ve built, you know, and everything we’ve been part of and the culture.
And then when that, and, and we, the last thing we think’s gonna happen is that that’s gonna be taken away. Because we, we have a linear view, so we assume, well, you know, AI will come and then we’ll get more advanced, and then we’ll heal. We’ll kind of get there, and then we’ll go to Mars and then it will, technology will take us even further.
And we don’t, that’s what we, we project based on the curvature of where we’ve come from. And these cycles don’t operate like that. They, it’s a split from one cycle to another. So what you get is these strange attractor events towards the end that change the trajectory, um, and it means that you thought it was going this way, but it won’t, so it won’t go the way you expect.
So the whole civilization. At the moment, it’s like, it’s kind of, it’s poised between cycles and we’re thinking it’s going one way. There are certain people that don’t think that, you know, even quite intelligently. In fact, if you ask ai, interestingly enough, what are the chances of AI ever kind of getting to the place where we think it’s gonna solve everything?
AI will tell you it is not very hopeful because of human behavior. Because, because, you know it, because of our behavior. We, we learn through our huge mistakes and from not listening. And so we kind of create these calamities, um, and AI itself right, is actually part of that story. So the, so the very thing that we think is gonna save us is probably one of the agents that will not destroy us, but speed up the decline.
Of the civilization that we’ve built, right? And, and all the systems that we’ve built that are kind of built on something that isn’t, you know, sustainable anyway. And, and that, and that doesn’t mean we, you know, it doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t, you know, it means we can put all our energy into the new. So it’s an incredibly exciting time.
I, I actually foresee a, a creative renaissance coming, coming now because there’s all this creative energy for new ideas and new projects, but they’re, they’re outside the old paradigm. And I, you know, it’s tricky because you, you have to sort of, kind of break with the way it has been and, and, and kind of start to use a vision, a more visionary understanding of, okay, how, what can we do?
What should we do be doing? Where can we put our energy? And so what you see things like the, you know, people returning to the land and learning how to make food again and localized, you know, you know, decentralized, um, networks of kind of culture that are more resilient, you know, because we’re gonna go through a period of decline as a planet.
And, but at the same time, there’s, you can see this growth of this new creature, this new being, and it’ll need new networks and a new kind of world. So I’m a sort of, I’m not a utopian, um, I kind of follow and track all the patterns, but I, I do see that there’s a massive opportunity for something new, but I don’t think, I think it’s discontinuous with the old, just as the dragonfly is.
It’s discontinuous with the old, it has no, it’s in of a different dimension. It’s a, one’s a flying insect.
Tami Simon: So I, I hear you. So, uh, I love the poetry of the year of the closing door for 2026. Do you have a headline for 2027?
Richard Rudd: Um, I dunno. I mean, it’s, it’s like, um, someone asked me the other day like, um, what, you know, who, why, why would, if this was gonna happen, why would a child come and be born now if it was an incarnation? Like why would it choose to come in at this point? Um, and I said, what? They must be big wave surfers, you know?
They must be specialized beings because I think it’s, you know, yeah. It’s the, it’s the year of the big wave or something. I haven’t given that in its name, but it’s something like that. It’s, it’s a, it’s the year of,
Tami Simon: good.
Richard Rudd: Yeah,
Tami Simon: I’m gonna keep asking you some hard questions here because as I was starting to familiarize myself with the gene keys, I was like, okay, so it’s a combination of the itching. I get it. Our genetic code, I’m not familiar with human design, but that’s clearly foundational
Richard Rudd: Yeah,
Tami Simon: involves my birthdate and
Richard Rudd: yeah, yeah,
Tami Simon: It’s drawing on other wisdom traditions as well. Now we’re talking about sacred mathematics, and I was like, okay, Richard, give me the elevator pitch,
Richard Rudd: yeah,
Tami Simon: or con condensation.
Richard Rudd: Yeah. Sure,
Tami Simon: with you. We’re only gonna go up a few floors, you know, whatever.
What are the gene keys?
Richard Rudd: sure. System of, um, personal transformation rooted in the healing of our shadow patterns and the transforming of them into gifts. And, and, and that’s really it. So, so it begins with the problems that in us, inside us and our trauma. And it’s about facing and accepting our trauma and forgiving and letting go, and then discovering that inside our traumas, specifically our very powerful gifts.
Um, and they give rise to our true purpose in life. So that’s really the process in an elevator pitch.
Tami Simon: And then we mentioned the idea of. free of fear, having an
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: Of fear in the body, and that most of us, and I said, you know, look, I’m, I’m more, I’m aware of the fear that lives in me in this way and that way, et
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: How would the Gene Keys approach help us work with our physical body of fear that manifests in, you know, many different ways.
Richard Rudd: Yeah, so there’s a very simple single technique at the core of the gene keys and um, I wrote a little book about it called The Art of Contemplation. It’s like under a hundred pages. It’s what I would give to like, I wrote the book ’cause my father didn’t understand what I did, but when he was alive and he just, I don’t understand this big book on the gene,
Tami Simon: trying to get our
Richard Rudd: right?
Tami Simon: Understand
Richard Rudd: Yeah. So he had no idea. He said like, I don’t understand this big thing on Gene Keys, any of it, right? So I said, okay, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll put something together for you. And I wrote this very short book on contemplation, which he really liked actually. He was a, you know, interesting man. Um, and it’s contemp, the contemplation is how we, is the technique and it’s about.
Creating a space around our fear, around our shadow patterns, around our traumas. Uh, and it’s about really having the courage to look at those patterns. And the gene keys give you a language. So out of that chart, that profile that you can get for free on gene keys.com, anyone can do it now while I’m talking, go genies.com free profile.
And you, what you’ll see, you’ll get lots of words and you’ll see like nasty sounding words and you’ll see lovely sounding words and they’re all kind of layered over each other. And so the nasty ones, the shadows are patterns of the victim patterns that we’ve inherited. They’re archetypal. This is an archetypal system, right?
And as you said, it’s rooted in the etching. So there are 64 of these patterns, 64 shadow, different shadow patterns. I’ll give you an example. Um, one of the shadows is called the shadow of corruption, right? So they are, they are. There are patterns throughout humanity as well as being patterns that are embedded in us, in our biology.
So it doesn’t mean that if you have the shadow of corruption, that you’re a corrupt person, but it means that there is a, there’s always a corruption of truth at the shadow level, at that frequency of being. And it’s a, and, and it, and it does manifest socially as corruption, but it also means that if you have that particular key, you probably will have to deal with corruption in your life in some form or another.
Maybe you marry someone or you get attracted to it, or this stuff happens to you. Um, maybe you become a police officer, you know, who knows? But it’s in your dharma somewhere. And so you get to learn and heal through it, but it’s something embedded inside you. And then inside that corruption is a gift.
Right. And what’s the gift? It’s, it’s the gift of equilibrium. And the equilibrium is like when you have. Kind of re, you know, managed yourself through the shadow and the shadow’s always a victim state. It’s always a, um, part of us that gives up, or it’s a depressive part or it’s a, um. You know, it’s a part that blames someone else or blames the government or blame, you know, it likes to not take responsibility for itself.
So as we start to take responsibility for our own patterns, that’s when the gift comes and we achieve a different level of equilibrium. It doesn’t mean we get rid of the shadow, it means we, we kind of start to manifest the gift level. So there are 64 of these gifts and 64 of these shadows. So conflict is another one, right?
You might have conflict, the shadow of conflict. And so that shows up in your relationships. Probably you’re going, it does for most of us, but if you specifically have that one, you’re gonna meet a lot of conflict all around you through your relationships. But the gift in that conflict is the gift of diplomacy.
So you are gonna be trained in the art of diplomacy and contemplation is how you put that into practice. You contemplate your gene keys. Over time. And you don’t just think about them, it might start with thinking about them, but then you feel your way into them. You, you kind of saturate yourself in them.
And it’s an ongoing process. It’s not something that just suddenly happens. You don’t get it in a weekend workshop. It’s a jenky takes time, contemplation takes time. It’s deep material about you. You’re gonna be contemplating this shadow for a while until you see it in your life. You’re gonna see it, you’re gonna witness it in your relationships, you, it’ll come reflected the moment you put your attention on it.
It will start appearing everywhere. And then you can start to come to terms with it and you can start to kind of heal yourself and you can start to experience, uh, breakthroughs and epiphanies and transformations. And that’s why I say genies is a system of transformations. It’s gritty though, because it starts with the shadow.
It starts with difficulty. It starts with difficult words that we don’t like to attach to ourself. And you have to look at them and think of yourself through that lens. And then you start to see it and you’re like, ah, it’s my blind spot. I know it is. I see it now. And then out of, out of that comes these gifts and event, there’s a third layer, which is called the city.
City is a Sanskrit word, meaning a divine attribute. Um, and the, there’s 64 of those as well, a city. So if you took, um, you know, uh, conflict and diplomacy, the city of that one would be peace. So peace is hidden in conflict. It’s interesting, like so every shadow has, has a city, has a, has a higher essence hidden in it, and it’s the reason for suffering actually.
So Genki your genies show you how your suffering is layered into you. In that sense, it’s quite, it’s akin to many ancient teachings or shamanic, where you go down into the underworld or the Buddhist teaching of suffering, where you go inside and you really meet yourself and you meet your less kind of nice parts.
And then you begin to get to know them. And as you get to know them, they start to transform into these gifts, creative gifts. And eventually, over a long period of time, they’ll start to flower into the cities, into these higher forms. But that might take a long time. It depends. You can’t, yeah.
Tami Simon: Richard, to give me an example from your own life
Richard Rudd: Yeah, yeah,
Tami Simon: a shadow pattern and the contemplation
Richard Rudd: yeah,
Tami Simon: in? Because I think a lot of times when you hear a word like contemplation, you think, okay, I’m gonna think about
Richard Rudd: yeah, yeah,
Tami Simon: is it gonna actually change?
Richard Rudd: Yeah. Yeah.
Tami Simon: To the core of it such that, it’s turning into a gift and then a city.
But I think if you used a personal example, that
Richard Rudd: of course. Before I do that, I’ll just say that the genies are kind of, they’re sort of neurolinguistic programming language that reflects the mathematics of our DNA. So DNA is made up of 64 structures, right? And the gene, there’s 64 keys and the, and, and it’s rooted in the ying, which is made up of these, these different six lines and combinations.
So the geometry and the structure of the ying is exactly the same structure as DNA Exactly. The books written on this by geneticists. Right. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s an incredible thing, but it’s also true. So the language of the gene keys is coded archetypally to match the that. So it really resonates at a very physical level.
I was a body worker for years. Before I got into any of this stuff, I was a body worker. I, I worked on, I did my specialty, specialty was the belly. I worked on bellies, I worked on people’s traumas. I helped them release patterns from very deep within their biomes. And so I’m like, I’m not the head guy that you might think I am.
I’m actually a very physical person. And so it, contemplation I’ve learned is a very physical experience, but it has layers to it. So my, an example from my life is I have the key of doubt, right? Very key, very sort of in a really kind of important place. And so I had that experience and then I had a huge amount of doubt come into my life of like, well, I.
Who are you? You’re nothing. You’re no one. You don’t know anything. You don’t know this stuff. You are like, it. It’s like I, I live with that doubt, that self-doubt for years. And I didn’t wanna say anything. I tried to go into denial. I reacted to the doubt at different times, in different ways. It was very uncomfortable.
Doubt’s a horrible thing to live with. It’s, it’s deeply, you know, undermining and it makes you feel bad about yourself and weak and, you know, judge, self judgmental and all kinds of constriction right in the body. So it’s a constriction energy. All the shadows are constriction energies. And then the gift of doubt is inquiry, right?
And, and you could take any gene key and it’s the same story. So there are 64 of them, but it’s the same story, just through slightly different lens. And the story is. You have to have the courage to inquire into the shadow. So you have to have the courage to look into the doubt. So I had to look into that doubt and go, well, first of all, it feels awful because I just feel bad.
I feel afraid. I just, you know, I, it doesn’t make me, it doesn’t make me feel good at all. And when I close my eyes or I try and meditate, it’s just there. It’s, it’s not, I couldn’t even call it doubt. It’s just a feeling. It is just an, a feeling of deep unease in my body. And, um, and so as I realized that doubt over in layers over the years, I started to talk about it.
And I started to share about it. And I started to admit that I had this doubt. And I started and I started to be vulnerable and just go, well, you know, I don’t know. I, I, one part of me just feels really super clear. Then the other part is just like this mind that’s like, nah, you know nothing, you can’t say that.
You can’t go out and tell people that you are a prophet. Don’t be ridiculous. You’re just your ego, vain, spiritual vanity and all of that stuff. And I have a very kind of, you know, I can be mean with myself. Um, so over the years I’ve learned to go much easier on myself, and the inquiry has softened me hugely so that I’m no longer judgmental towards myself.
And now I give myself, I, I like treat myself like a parent would treat, treat it’s kind of wounded child. I, you know, there’s a part of me that just understands that that doubt might be there. And, um, you know, and every now and again, it might flare up again, but it’s, it’s, it’s sort of, I don’t know. It’s, it’s no longer part of who I am, it’s just, it was just.
Stuff. It was fear. It was, you know, and underneath it is this beautiful kind of flower. And that gift of inquiry led to me creating the Gene keys. So it’s because of my doubt that I figured out a way outta the doubt. And along the way I built a system so that other people could also help figure their way out.
But they’re gonna take different routes because there’s all kinds of the gen keys. Everyone, every Gene Key is a ladder, you know? And so you can, you can, your ladder might look different from mine. Um, but it, and eventually the city, the, the highest aspect of that is, is truth. So it goes doubt, inquiry truth and truth is in the cells.
Truth is not about fact or anything, you know, like facts can be taken away and changed. Truth is truth, right? And, and one of the things you realize from truth, from the feel, from the view of the, the highest, the city. Is that even doubt is truth. So every, so it, it’s like the perfection of every, when you get to that heightened state, that that transcendent state, it’s not actually really, doesn’t really feel transcendent.
It just feels really self-loving and self-accepting. And that’s the process that I’ve been in for years. And now I realize that contemplation is a really, really powerful tool for anyone. ’cause yeah, it might start with thinking, but then it goes deeper and deeper and then it becomes feeling, and then it goes deeper and deeper.
And it, what it does, it starts to open us up to, you know, to epiphanies, to breakthroughs, to, you know, and, and eventually the contemplation becomes so deep as a state that you are living in, that it becomes physical. So you, you’re actually, your whole body enters a state of contemplation. You’re not even doing it consciously, but it is a hard thing to explain.
But because it’s one of those techniques that you kind of, it isn’t really a technique and everyone is so obsessed with techniques today that they want, like, how do I do that? And actually it’s something you, it’s, it’s a sense of gentleness. It’s a sense of patience. It’s a sense of ease. Um, in the little book I wrote, I, I kind of, um, give lots of exercises at the back.
I say, look, it’s like the contemplative way to walk is to meander, you know, the contemplative way to think or to it or to dialogue is to sort of, to just, you know, to talk without kind of having a direction. You know, it, it’s about bringing the essence of a relaxed, easeful way into everything you do. And it doesn’t mean you can’t be, sort of, have good boundaries and all those things, but it’s a very yielding.
Kind of state of consciousness that then eventually comes into your mind and you become incredibly lucid. So it is a beautiful, it’s, it is an equivalent to meditation. It’s much easier than meditation. It’s, it’s less kind of boring than mindfulness, if you don’t mind me saying that. Um, it’s more creative.
It’s, it’s more, it’s more fun and it’s easier
Tami Simon: I’m with you on the fun and the creative. The fact that it’s easier than meditation. I might question that,
Richard Rudd: Uhhuh.
Tami Simon: Maybe that’s only ’cause I haven’t gotten the hang of it yet.
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: Because it seems to me that what’s required, and, and correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s part of what really inspired me as I was exploring your writing on contemplation, this acceptance of whatever the shadow patterning is a willingness to be like, oh, that’s okay. That’s okay. I can be gentle with this. And I wonder if you can say more about that. One of the quotes I pulled is, awakening is a series of softenings. And I really liked that the softening
Richard Rudd: Yeah, that’s exactly what contemplation does. It takes away all the hard edges. You start probably being quite hard and edgy because most of us do. ’cause that’s the shadow. And then as you, as you lower yourself into this view, this worldview of contemplation view. Those edges become softer. And Yeah. And the thing about it, I mean, I’d, I’ve, I think meditation’s an amazing path.
It was designed for, not for, you know, not for modern humans. It was designed for monks and nuns in monasteries, you know? Um, and you can, of course you can do it, you can do it every morning, and then you can go to work, and then you can do it in the evening, or you can do it in between. And, um, contemplation is, is it, it designed for the gaps between everything in life.
So it’s all about pausing really. It’s about har, I call it harvesting pauses. So if anyone’s listening to this and they want to know how to contemplate, you can do it today, right? And all you have to do is find a, find one pause today or tomorrow that you normally would not have taken. Right, and, and so, you know, if you can do that, then you’ve made a start.
And a pause can be an in breath. It can be as short as an in breath and a sigh. Or it can be three minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes. It can be putting your feet up. It can be going for a run. It can be doing something that’s slightly, you know, it is, it is not of the left brain. It could, you can have a moving pause.
Yeah,
Tami Simon: me ask you a
Richard Rudd: yeah,
Tami Simon: this, Richard,
Richard Rudd: yeah.
Tami Simon: You know, I, I was reviewing some of your work on the art of contemplation and pausing is the first step. And I thought, you know, most people get that
Richard Rudd: Mm-hmm.
Tami Simon: Believe it or not, I think and do that. But the harder part, and the reason I said I think it’s hard is that you then talk about the second step, if I understand correctly, of pivoting
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: And that part as part of contemplation, turning difficult situations into a gift, approaching challenges with an open heart. I thought that’s what we don’t do in general. We
Richard Rudd: Yeah,
Tami Simon: I’m just speaking now in, you know, a big broad brush joke. Okay, great. I pause, I went on a run. I, I stopped. I, you know, I, I drank my tea and I thought about all the things that are screwed up about this situation in my life, and I thought I was pausing and contemplating.
That’s not pivoting. You’re talking about something else.
Richard Rudd: no, it’s, it requires a lot of patience, contemplation, you know, it’s, you know, you, if you understand its essence, it, it’s a long-term view, right? So you don’t put yourself on the, one of the first things you see is where we put ourselves under pressure, and one of the beauties of the second stage of contemplation, as you said, pivoting, is that we don’t make it happen.
It just happens in one of the pauses. But unless we’re taking conscious pauses and we are delighting in them, uh, we don’t, we, when we, we kind of, we don’t have those pivotal experiences, you know, usually our pivotal experiences is where we finally come into touch with some aspect of our own shadow and we have a little revelation.
Or it might be a big revelation, or it might be something that someone says, or it might be, you know, an animal coming up to us, or it might be a moment of magic or, or something that we’re unexpected we’re not expecting, but it happens in a pause and then it triggers that little awakening. Sanity inside us.
So if you are genuinely kind of entering into the spirit of contemplation, then sooner or later you will start to have more pivotal experiences, but especially understanding that you are not gonna make them happen. ’cause they’re not conscious, they don’t consciously occur, they occur unconsciously. They, they occur from, it’s like the, you know, we have the default mode network in the brain, which is the part of the brain that needs to daydream.
And if we don’t allow ourselves to daydream and drift or meander or saer or linger, if we don’t do those things, that part of our brain can’t access the deep wisdom of the body ’cause the wisdom’s in the body. And it’s like, genies is a wisdom system. It’s not a knowledge system. I mean, people think it’s a knowledge system and they often approach it like a knowledge system thinking they’re gonna get knowledge back out of it.
But it’s not, it’s a, it’s a triggering system. To trigger the wisdom in the body. And so the wisdom’s in us as opposed to the knowledge, knowledge is something you take in or you put in. Whereas wisdom is like, it has to be triggered so that it can emerge from inside out. It’s a yin practice. Contemplation is a yin practice.
It’s, it is the most in, um, and so you have to be really patient and then sooner or later you will start having these pivotal experiences. And it’s like anyone, you, if you come to the Gene Keys community, right? There’s the thousands of us all around the world, right? Doing these crazy things. Looking at, and, you know, contemplating, if you come into one of those forums or whatever and you talk and, and you hear someone talking, um, they, they will say, look, my first breakthrough came when this happened, and.
Once you’ve had your first kind of big breakthrough, you kind of get it. You’re like, oh, bloody, I get it. It’s like it, this stuff works. It just works from the inside out. It’s like it’s, we have to sort of trick our strategic mind into kind of doing something that’s not logical. You know? It’s, it’s a technique that isn’t a technique, but it, but it’s been used for centuries and millennia by different people, you know?
So it’s, it, it is something that comes actually quite naturally to us. Um, and it not so natural in our modern world, because of the way we’re conditioned, because of our technology and social media and our, our kind of crazy binary world that we live in, where everything, every moment is numbered. But once we start to break out of that, then we have these epiphanies, these moments, and that’s when the magic starts to occur.
And then. You start finding that you pause more often, and it doesn’t mean you become less, help, less sort of, it doesn’t mean you’re doing less, it just means you’re doing everything slightly differently in a slightly more yielding, soft-hearted manner. You become softer, not, you know, you, you still have a sword when you need it, but you just become a more yielding being.
Does that make sense?
Tami Simon: I still have a question, which is I think in the pausing. In the pausing, there’s this, you know, okay, what’s the hack? I do now, and you know, I’m not a big fan of the word hack, but still
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: What’s the thing I do now? Do I ask this question? I’m
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: The shadow into a gift. Is there a set of things I, no.
I’m supposed to be patient, gentle and be in the pause and something going to emerge. That’s like a pivoting perspective, and I just wait for that.
Richard Rudd: Yeah,
Tami Simon: that what you’re saying?
Richard Rudd: yeah, yeah. It’s not, you know, like the word hack does not go with contemplation, right? It’s like, it’s the opposite of hacking, you know? It is the softest way. Like, and it’s, and it’s, and therefore it’s the quickest because you are, it’s, you know, you can’t, the strategic mind can’t get in there and do something.
I mean, we, part of the trick of the gene keys, because it’s all just a trick. It’s a hall of mirrors, you know, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a system. It’s made up. Any system is a trick to trick you, to trick your strategic mind into relaxing so that you, so that something opens up inside you. And then you come into tune with your inner nature.
All systems, I’m sorry to say, are tricks and jenky iss the same. So it tricks your mind into like sort of trying to unravel a shadow and think about it and understand it. And then the gift sounds good that I kind of, yeah, I’d like to feel that. And the city sounds right really out there. How am I gonna get to ecstasy?
You know, or you know, and, but it’s about opening up to the worldview and the possibility that, wow, actually, what if I were ecstatic? What would that feel like? What would that look like? How different would my life kind of be and what would I do? And, you know, would I do anything if I experienced natural ecstasy?
Like, does anyone have that? Uh, I’ve heard that. Maybe it happens. And so maybe one of the things you do in your contemplation is you start following these, these intuitive signals. So you might be like, well, I’ve got ecstasy. And you start reading about Anand Mai Ma or someone like one of these great saints who fell into ecstasy and you’re like, wow.
And you start to resonate with your own energy field and you find your way into that, and then you kind of bypass the, you know, the need to actually try and do something. And it just happens on its own. I, it is difficult thing to explain, but it does just happen on its own. But you do have to do the pausing part, so,
Tami Simon: So just, uh, just a, a, a couple more questions here. The path of gentle transformation. That’s one of the ways you refer to the gene keys approach. And you, you, you mentioned these four different attitudes and, and approaches that are part of that patience, gentleness, contemplation, and inquiry. And I feel like we’ve done a good job touching, least pointing in the direction of patience,
Richard Rudd: Yeah.
Tami Simon: And contemplation. I’m curious about the inquiry part because I wanna do something, so I wanna do, I want to inquire at least in a gene keys like way. What, what do you suggest for inquiry?
Richard Rudd: Well that’s the beauty of the Gene Keys. It is a, it is a system of inquiry. I remember I told you my gift was inquiry, so, uh, like it’s an invitation to inquire into. What makes you tick? So you start, so you get your profile, you look at the gene keys, you start to inquire, you start to read, you start to listen.
I mean, I’ve laid out a lot of poetry and a lot of, a lot of ideas and stuff. So, so like it, it cut, it starts to saturate you. The, the frequency of the teaching. It’s a, it’s a sort of transmission and then you come into it and it starts to, it just keeps reminding you of who you really are not, you know, I mean, I say to people, look, the shadow stuff, don’t get too obsessed with it.
Like maybe you only need 10% of your awareness on the shadow and the rest of your awareness could be on the gift. And even the city, like, ’cause then you are like, you are being aware of the thing that’s tripping you up, but you’re not obsessing on like, I’ve gotta pull that weed out. You’re just aware of it lightly.
And that is enough. ’cause then you pick it up when it comes out and you, but most of the time you’re thinking about actually more positive things and you are wondering how can I engage this creativity or this energy in a, you know, in a more positive way. And so you are, you’re not negating the shadow, but you’re kind of seeing the relationship between the two.
’cause they’re two aspects of our nature, like the bit that tries to trip us up, but then the creativity that it’s preventing from emerging. So they’re one thing, you know, and the, the, the, it is just a set of tools that in a I’m absolutely honest, it sort of distracts your mind long enough for the, for the miracle to happen.
But it does also have a grit to it. That’s important. ’cause it does, it doesn’t shy away from difficult, you know, material. So it does start with these shadows. Yeah.
Tami Simon: Richard, like, like many people, I just hopped on the Gene keys.com website. I put in my time of birth and everything. And when I got the report, I just thought, you know, I’m not sure I’m not, I mean, any system kind of tells me this tells me that I don’t know. What would you do to someone, you know, I’m glad you used the example of doubt as an issue who’s just doubts that a report based
Richard Rudd: Well, you,
Tami Simon: time.
Richard Rudd: yeah, you’ll probably see reflected your, your, your very view reflected in the words. You might have judgment, you might have, um, you know, the shadow of you that may be where you begin things, you know, from that place of like suspicion. And um, and that could be a really valuable beginning. You could go well, where if I always begin from suspicion, you know, what is that?
You know, where did that come from? How do I get to the bottom of that? And what’s the gift in that? You know, maybe like, so if it was judgment, for example, which would, you know, could fit KY 18? Um, it’s the other side of integrity, right? So the gift is integrity. ’cause the integrity is like, I need to make sure this is real, and this guy’s for real.
So I’m going to, I’m gonna, I’m going to use this judgment and I’m, you know, but the other, the flip side of the judgment is that it doesn’t even want to go there, you know? So it’s like, I’m just going, it’s, it’s, you know, I’m, yeah, I’m not gonna go there. Whereas if you open a little bit and see, well, what’s, you know, what’s hidden in that judgment?
Because it’s, it’s a beautiful thing, but it might mean that you just need to soften a little bit into that pattern. Open your heart, open your mind, you know, and enter from an empty mind perspective, instead of with preconceived ideas of what’s gonna happen or what you’re gonna get. I might suggest that you take a more contemplative.
Approach and try and go in a bit more softly, um, and with a softer attitude. And you might be nicely surprised.
I.
Tami Simon: As we conclude our conversation, I want to go back for a moment to the dragonfly crawling up the the reed, whatever’s in the water getting ready. fly. And if you could talk about what you think that parallel is, and I’m so glad that we’re using poetry to talk about this bewildering time that we’re in.
What you think the experiences, like for us humans who are like, you know, I think I’m, I think I’m crawling up the reed. I wonder what, how Richard would describe that.
Richard Rudd: Well, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s going into an integrative transcendent perspective, and that’s hard to put into words, but it’s. It’s about remembering that we are eternal beings, really, or an eternal being. It’s about remembering that we are eternal, and it’s about approaching something from a state of boundlessness, like a child, like a child believes that miracles are possible.
And that’s what that view is like. It’s, it’s an absolutely soft-hearted, open-minded view of reality. And that’s, that’s the contemplative approach actually. And that’s what kind of, uh, how, that’s what reminds us in a way or reveals to us, you know, that we, the love that lies at the heart of everything, you know, so.
Then, you know, when you kind of engage that love, it’s, it, it’s more than self-love. It’s more than, you know, what is it a kind of universal love? It’s, you know, it’s, it’s the nature of our being. It’s the nature of being itself. I think when we start to have flashes of that, then, you know, things, we don’t worry so much about the world and the direction of the world because we realize that that’s underneath everything, everything, every single hurt human being that’s under them, that’s inside them.
And that, yes, they’re playing out maybe their shadow pattern on the world stage, you know, and maybe that person over there is playing out their gift, you know, and they’re having less impact. But that’s, that’s love at work, in the work, you know, and, and. I think that that’s the view from the dragonfly is it’s the realization of the, I mean, I don’t wanna sound like a kind of new age guru or whatever, but it is the realization of the, of the perfection of everything as it is right now.
Um, but it’s, that sounds trite, but it is actually an experience of love. Um, that kind of, that’s what I experienced in those three days, and I carry it with me as a, as a sort of echo. Um, and I’ve, I’ve imbued the Gene Key’s teachings with it. So it’s not really about the teachings or the words or the, you know, it’s actually in between the words.
You know, I trick, I, I’m open about saying I’m, it’s a trick. Um, it, it’s, you know, if, if you want to be tricked, then this is a great place to come and be tricked into loving yourself. That’s really what it is.
Tami Simon: Richard Rudd, founder of the Gene Keys. I’ve loved talking with you.
Richard Rudd: Thanks, Tami. Me too.
Tami Simon: I hope we get a another chance and I’d love to meet you in person sometime,
Richard Rudd: Likewise.
Tami Simon: Thank you so much.
Richard Rudd: Thanks very much.
