Being Music

June 12, 2012

Tami Simon speaks with Christine Stevens, the director of the music and wellness program at Remo Drum Company and the founder of UpBeat Drum Circles, which has brought music therapy to businesses, communities, and individuals around the world. With Sounds True, Christine created the home study course The Healing Drum Kit, and has written a new book called Music Medicine: The Science and Spirit of Healing Yourself with Sound. In this episode, Tami speaks with Christine about the healing properties of each of the four elements of music: rhythm, melody, harmony, and silence. Christine also explored how much we can gain by shifting from being consumers to creators of music. (50 minutes)

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As director of Music Therapy and Wellness Programs at Remo Drum Company and through her own company UpBeat Drum Circles, Christine has led music and wellness seminars internationally in places including Japan, Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan, England, and the USA. For more about Christine, visit her website at www.ubdrumcircles.com.

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Being Music

Tami Simon speaks with Christine Stevens, the director of the music and wellness program at Remo Drum Company and the founder of UpBeat Drum Circles, which has brought music therapy to businesses, communities, and individuals around the world. With Sounds True, Christine created the home study course The Healing Drum Kit, and has written a new book called Music Medicine: The Science and Spirit of Healing Yourself with Sound. In this episode, Tami speaks with Christine about the healing properties of each of the four elements of music: rhythm, melody, harmony, and silence. Christine also explored how much we can gain by shifting from being consumers to creators of music. (50 minutes)

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Technology continues to shape how people connect, learn, and experience daily life. While innovation brings real opportunity, it can also create distraction, exhaustion, and disconnection from what matters most. Liberatory technology offers a more mindful path by bringing together ancient wisdom, conscious innovation, and human-centered design.

At Sounds True, we have spent decades sharing transformational teachings from spiritual teachers, contemplatives, and visionaries through podcasts, digital courses, and learning experiences that cultivate awareness, compassion, and inner growth.

Here, we discuss liberatory technology, contemplative tech, wisdom technology, and the role conscious innovation can play in shaping a more humane digital future.

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  • Technology That Centers the Human: Liberatory technology encourages digital systems that honor emotional well-being, mindfulness, and ethical responsibility, placing people at the heart of every innovation.
  • Old Wisdom, New Digital World: Contemplative practices and spiritual teachings can help shape healthier relationships with technology, attention, and daily life in a connected age.
  • Conscious Innovation, Collective Healing: Wisdom technology and contemplative tech open pathways toward more compassionate, connected, and heart-led digital cultures.

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Liberatory Technology and the Search for Future Liberation

Technology has become woven into nearly every aspect of human life, shaping communication, attention, learning, creativity, and even spiritual practice, yet many people sense an increasing imbalance beneath constant connectivity. 

Digital systems designed for convenience can also create exhaustion, fragmentation, and emotional distance. Liberatory technology emerges from the desire to create a different relationship with innovation, one rooted in awareness rather than endless consumption.

Future liberation does not require rejecting technology or romanticizing the past. Rather, it asks deeper questions about intention and impact. Does innovation honor human flourishing? Does it deepen compassion, clarity, and connection? Ancient contemplative traditions remind us that external progress alone cannot create fulfillment. 

Wisdom must evolve alongside technological advancement. As conversations around artificial intelligence, immersive media, and digital culture continue expanding, liberatory technology offers a framework grounded in ethical reflection and human dignity. 

Ancient Wisdom Traditions in the Age of Conscious Innovation

Modern innovation often moves at extraordinary speed. New platforms, tools, and systems appear constantly, shaping culture in ways that can feel both inspiring and overwhelming. Conscious innovation introduces a more reflective approach, encouraging people to examine not only what technology can do but also how it influences human consciousness and emotional life. 

The Wisdom of Slowing Down

Ancient contemplative traditions have long emphasized stillness, silence, and mindful awareness. These teachings offer valuable guidance in a culture driven by constant stimulation. Attention is fragmented by notifications, algorithms, and endless streams of information. Many people struggle to remain present with themselves, their relationships, and the world around them. That fragmentation is often the natural result of systems designed to pull attention away rather than return it to what is real.

Practices such as meditation, mindful breathing, and reflective listening create space for clarity and emotional grounding. They help restore balance within environments designed to compete for attention. Conscious innovation recognizes that healthier technology begins with a healthier relationship to awareness itself.

Why Ancient Teachings Still Resonate

Spiritual traditions across cultures remind us that compassion, humility, and interconnection are essential parts of human growth. These values remain deeply relevant in conversations about digital ethics and technological development. Innovation without wisdom can amplify division, anxiety, and emotional disconnection.

Ancient teachings also encourage responsibility. Every action creates consequences that ripple outward into communities and future generations. Applying this perspective to technology changes the conversation from efficiency alone to deeper questions of care and accountability. Conscious innovation becomes as much a human and spiritual pursuit as a technical one. 

How Contemplative Tech Can Restore Human Connection

Contemplative tech reflects a growing desire for digital experiences that support awareness instead of constant distraction. Rather than maximizing engagement at any cost, contemplative technologies are designed to encourage reflection, emotional balance, and intentional interaction.

Creating Space for Reflection

Many online spaces reward speed and reactivity. Contemplative tech introduces pauses that help people respond more consciously. Some digital tools encourage mindful breathing before stressful conversations or create moments of silence before users publish emotional responses online. These simple shifts can reduce impulsive communication and foster greater self-awareness. 

Reflection also builds emotional resilience. Nowadays, constant digital stimulation can leave people mentally scattered and emotionally depleted, but technologies designed with mindfulness in mind encourage healthier rhythms of attention and rest. For example, The Power of Awareness, led by Tara Brach and Jack Kornfield, goes deep into present-moment awareness and offers tools that translate into how we navigate digital life.

Rebuilding Meaningful Community

Digital culture often creates pressure to perform rather than connect authentically. Contemplative tech encourages environments where curiosity, vulnerability, and thoughtful dialogue are valued. Online meditation gatherings, learning communities, and intentional discussion spaces demonstrate that technology can still foster genuine human connection when designed with care.

Human beings long to feel seen and heard. Technologies that prioritize empathy and presence help restore trust within digital spaces. They remind people that connection is not measured by the number of interactions, but by the depth and sincerity of those interactions.

Wisdom Technology and the Evolution of Digital Culture

Wisdom technology represents a shift away from innovation focused solely on productivity and consumption. It recognizes that intelligence without wisdom cannot address humanity’s deeper challenges. As digital culture evolves, many people are seeking tools and practices that support emotional health, discernment, and conscious living.

Moving Beyond Information Saturation

Access to information has expanded dramatically, yet many people feel increasingly overwhelmed. Constant exposure to news, media, and online content can create mental fatigue and emotional numbness. Wisdom technology encourages intentional engagement rather than endless accumulation.

Practices such as mindful media consumption and regular digital pauses help create healthier boundaries with technology. These rhythms support focus, creativity, and emotional clarity. They also remind people that wisdom grows through reflection and lived experience, not simply through consuming more information.

Inviting Ethics Into Innovation

Technology reflects the priorities of the culture that created it. When profit and growth become the only measures of success, human well-being often suffers. Wisdom technology encourages developers, educators, and leaders to consider the emotional and social effects of the systems they build. This is not a small ask. It requires a willingness to place people above performance metrics.

Ethical innovation values transparency, accessibility, and respect for human attention. It also recognizes the broader impact of technological systems on communities and the environment. A healthier digital culture emerges when innovation is guided by compassion and responsibility alongside technical achievement. 

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Let’s explore how conscious innovation recognizes that technology influences emotional health, relationships, and social connection.

  • Technology Built Around Empathy: Conscious innovation builds technologies that strengthen empathy and genuine dialogue, creating space for real human exchange rather than surface-level interaction. When people feel heard and respected online, they are more likely to bring their full, honest selves to those conversations.
  • Learning That Sparks Real Transformation: Educational tools can be designed to nurture curiosity, emotional intelligence, and reflection, moving learning beyond information transfer into genuine transformation. This is the kind of learning we have always believed in at Sounds True.
  • Wisdom for Every Community: Accessibility matters deeply, so contemplative resources can reach diverse communities regardless of location, income, or background. Wisdom should not be reserved for those with the most resources.
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  • Honest Spaces for Deeper Growth: Digital spaces where honesty and considered communication are prioritized over outrage and division can become places of real healing and growth. The conversations taking root in those spaces become the building blocks of a more compassionate culture.
  • A Path Back to Yourself: Practices that help people navigate stress, uncertainty, and information overload with greater resilience are increasingly essential in modern life. 

Future Liberation Through Ethical and Heart-Led Technology

Future liberation depends on the values guiding innovation. Ethical and heart-led technology recognizes that every digital system influences the emotional and spiritual fabric of society. Technologies created without care can increase anxiety, comparison, and disconnection. Technologies developed with awareness can nurture healing, creativity, and community.

Heart-led innovation begins by recognizing human vulnerability. People are not machines designed for constant productivity and stimulation. They need reflection, rest, connection, and meaning. Ethical technology honors those needs rather than exploiting them. 

That shift, from exploitation to care, may be the most courageous act of innovation we can pursue. Our Embracing the Unknown online course offers a grounded companion for exactly this terrain, helping people move through uncertainty with courage and an open heart. When innovation is guided by compassion and integrity, technology becomes more capable of nurturing human flourishing rather than undermining it.

The Role of Contemplative Tech in Shaping Human Awareness

Contemplative tech reminds us that attention is one of the most valuable human resources. The quality of attention influences emotional health, relationships, creativity, and spiritual growth. In environments built around distraction, technologies that encourage awareness become increasingly essential.

Contemplative tech also challenges assumptions about progress. Faster systems and greater efficiency do not automatically create wiser societies. Human awareness must grow alongside technological capability. Otherwise, innovation can outpace the emotional maturity needed to use it responsibly. Speed is not the same as depth, and efficiency is not the same as wisdom.

As contemplative practices become more integrated into digital spaces, technology gains the potential to nurture deeper forms of learning, healing, and self-understanding. 

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Liberatory technology invites a more conscious relationship with innovation, one grounded in compassion, presence, and ethical awareness. As digital culture continues evolving, ancient wisdom traditions offer valuable guidance for creating technology that nurtures human connection rather than fragmentation. 

Through contemplative tech, conscious innovation, and wisdom technology, the future of innovation can become more heart-led, reflective, and deeply aligned with collective well-being. We believe the most transformative technology is the kind that brings people closer to themselves and to each other, and that has always been at the heart of what we do. 

Frequently Asked Questions About Liberatory Technology

What is liberatory technology?

Liberatory technology refers to digital tools and systems designed to support human freedom, awareness, connection, and collective well-being instead of manipulation or dependence.

How does liberatory technology differ from traditional technology?

Traditional technology often prioritizes efficiency and engagement, while liberatory technology focuses on ethical impact, emotional health, and mindful human interaction.

Can technology support spiritual growth?

Yes. Technology can provide access to meditation practices, spiritual teachings, reflective communities, and educational resources that encourage personal growth and self-awareness.

Why is contemplative tech becoming more important?

Many people experience digital fatigue and emotional overwhelm. Contemplative tech helps create healthier digital habits through mindfulness, reflection, and intentional communication.

Is liberatory technology only related to meditation apps?

No. Liberatory technology can include educational platforms, ethical social networks, mindful communication tools, wellness technologies, and community-centered digital spaces.

How can people practice mindful technology use at home?

Simple habits such as limiting notifications, creating device-free spaces, taking digital breaks, and practicing intentional media consumption can support mindful technology use.

What role does emotional intelligence play in innovation?

Emotional intelligence helps creators design technologies that respect human needs, encourage empathy, and support healthier relationships within digital environments.

Why are ancient wisdom traditions relevant to future technology?

Ancient teachings emphasize awareness, compassion, and interconnectedness, offering valuable guidance for creating technology that supports humanity instead of overwhelming it.

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  • Presencing Practice: Presencing connects presence with sensing future possibilities, guiding action from deeper clarity and alignment.
  • Leadership Evolution: Leading in disruption becomes more grounded through listening, reflection, and responding to what is emerging.

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Theory U begins with a simple question: how do we meet change with clarity instead of habit? Developed by Otto Scharmer, it shows that the quality of our attention shapes what emerges in our lives and systems. At Sounds True, we resonate with this living transmission of wisdom. Theory U is not just a framework. It is an invitation to listen, sense, and engage with the future as it unfolds. Those looking to explore how these principles apply in professional and organizational contexts may find the Conscious Business Summit a valuable resource for bringing this awareness into leadership practice.

Awareness-Based Systems Change and Why It Matters

Awareness-based systems change begins with a gentle but meaningful shift in where we place our attention. Instead of focusing only on external outcomes, we begin to notice the inner place from which our actions arise. This section explores how that shift changes the way we understand transformation.

Moving from Reaction to Awareness

In many environments, action is driven by speed and pressure. Decisions are made quickly, often shaped by past experience or immediate demands. Awareness-based systems change invites us to pause and notice what is happening beneath the surface. This includes our thoughts, emotions, and assumptions. As we bring awareness to these inner dynamics, we begin to see more clearly. That clarity allows for responses that feel more intentional and less reactive. Over time, this shift supports a deeper sense of presence in how we engage with challenges and opportunities.

Why Systems Reflect Inner States

Every system reflects the people who participate in it. The way we communicate, make decisions, and relate to one another shapes the structures around us. Awareness-based systems change recognizes that lasting transformation begins within. When individuals cultivate awareness, it naturally influences the collective. Teams begin to listen more deeply. Organizations begin to align around shared purpose. In this way, inner awareness becomes the foundation for meaningful and sustainable change.

The U Process and the Practice of Presencing

The U Process offers a pathway for engaging with change in a more conscious and connected way. At the center of this process is presencing, a term that brings together presence and sensing. It points to a way of being that allows us to connect with what is emerging before it fully takes form.

Moving Down the U: Letting Go

The first movement of the U invites us to let go. This can include releasing old habits of thinking, suspending judgment, and opening ourselves to new perspectives. Letting go does not mean rejecting what has come before. It means creating space. As we move down the U, we begin to listen more deeply to others and to the larger context we are part of. This listening helps us see beyond our usual patterns and prepares us to engage with something new.

Moving Up the U: Letting Come

As the process begins to turn upward, a different quality of action emerges. Instead of pushing for solutions, we begin to act from a place of deeper knowing. Presence becomes the turning point where insight and intention meet. From here, ideas are brought into the world through small experiments and thoughtful action. This upward movement reflects a growing alignment between inner awareness and outer expression.

Presencing as the Inner Shift in Leadership

Presencing invites a quiet but powerful shift in how we understand leadership. Rather than focusing only on external results, it brings attention to the inner state of the leader. This section explores how that shift transforms the way we lead and relate to others.

Being Fully Present to What Is Emerging

To practice presencing is to be fully here. This includes listening without distraction, noticing subtle changes, and being open to what is unfolding in the moment. When leaders cultivate this level of presence, they create an environment where others feel seen and heard. Conversations become more meaningful, and new ideas have space to arise. Presence supports clarity, and that clarity influences every decision that follows.

Allowing the Future to Inform Action

Presence also invites us to sense the future as it begins to take shape. This does not require certainty. It asks for openness and trust. For those finding this quality of openness difficult to sustain, Embracing the Unknown offers practical support for staying present when clarity has not yet arrived. Leaders who engage in presencing learn to act from a place that feels connected to both present reality and emerging possibility. This creates a sense of alignment that guides action in a more natural and responsive way.

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Leading in Disruption with Theory U

Disruption can feel disorienting. It often brings rapid change, uncertainty, and a sense that familiar approaches are no longer enough. Theory U offers a way to meet these moments with steadiness and awareness.

  • Deep listening becomes a foundation for navigating change. By taking time to hear different perspectives, leaders can access insights that might otherwise remain hidden.
  • Suspending immediate judgment creates space for new ideas. This openness allows for responses that are more creative and less constrained by past patterns.
  • Reconnecting with intention provides direction. In times of disruption, returning to what matters most helps guide meaningful action.
  • Prototyping small steps encourages learning. Rather than waiting for clarity to arrive all at once, leaders can explore possibilities through action and reflection.
  • Staying present supports resilience. When attention remains grounded, it becomes easier to engage with complexity without becoming overwhelmed.

Through these practices, disruption becomes a space for growth. Leadership rooted in awareness allows us to meet uncertainty with curiosity and care. As we remain connected to presence, we begin to see new pathways forward. For those ready to go deeper into this process, The Great Transformation offers teachings that guide practitioners through the full arc of awareness-based change.

Awareness-Based Systems Change in Organizations

Within organizations, awareness-based systems change often begins with how people come together. Meetings, conversations, and shared decisions all reflect the level of awareness present in the group. When individuals practice listening and reflection, the collective begins to shift. There is often a greater sense of alignment, along with a willingness to engage with complexity rather than avoid it. Over time, this creates a culture where learning is ongoing, and change feels more integrated. Organizations that embrace this approach tend to respond to challenges with greater flexibility, as their foundation is rooted in awareness rather than rigid structure.

Applying Presencing in Everyday Life and Work

Presence can be woven into daily life in simple and meaningful ways. It may begin with noticing how we listen during a conversation or taking a moment to pause before responding. In work settings, presencing might involve creating space for reflection within a team or approaching challenges with openness instead of urgency. In personal life, it can show up as being fully present with loved ones or reconnecting with what feels most meaningful. These small practices build over time, supporting a deeper sense of awareness and connection. The Power of Awareness provides a structured path for developing this capacity, offering teachings that help make presence a reliable foundation in both daily life and leadership. As presencing becomes more familiar, it begins to shape how we experience both ordinary and significant moments.

Otto Scharmer on Leading from the Emerging Future

Otto Scharmer speaks of leadership as a process of sensing and shaping the future as it unfolds. This perspective invites us to move beyond control and into participation. Leading from the emerging future involves listening deeply, staying open, and allowing insight to guide action. At Sounds True, this approach resonates with our commitment to sharing teachings that support inner growth and collective transformation. When we lead from awareness, we begin to experience the future not as something distant but as something we are already in relationship with. Through presence, curiosity, and care, leadership becomes a living practice that continues to evolve.

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Final Thoughts

Theory U reminds us that meaningful change begins with how we show up. As we deepen our awareness, practice presencing, and learn to listen for what is emerging, leadership becomes less about control and more about connection. In this way, we participate in shaping the future with intention, clarity, and care.

Frequently Asked Questions About Theory U and Leadership

What makes Theory U different from other leadership models?

Theory U places attention on the inner state of the leader as a starting point for change. While many leadership models focus on strategy or execution, Theory U emphasizes awareness, perception, and the ability to sense emerging possibilities before they fully form.

Is Theory U only relevant for organizations?

No. While it is often applied in organizational settings, Theory U can be practiced in personal life, creative work, and community engagement. Its principles support any context where growth, learning, and change are present.

How long does it take to see results with Theory U?

The experience varies. Some people notice shifts in how they listen and respond almost immediately, while deeper transformation unfolds over time through consistent practice and reflection.

Can beginners understand and apply Theory U easily?

Yes. Although the concepts may feel abstract at first, they become more accessible through practice. Simple steps like mindful listening and pausing before reacting can begin the process.

What role does reflection play in Theory U?

Reflection allows individuals to become aware of their patterns and assumptions. It creates space for insight, which is essential for moving through the deeper stages of the U process.

Is presencing the same as mindfulness?

Presencing and mindfulness share similarities, especially in cultivating presence. However, presencing also includes sensing future possibilities and allowing those insights to inform action.

How does Theory U relate to innovation?

Theory U supports innovation by encouraging openness, curiosity, and experimentation. It creates conditions where new ideas can emerge from deeper levels of awareness rather than surface-level problem-solving.

Can Theory U help during times of uncertainty?

Yes. Theory U offers a way to stay grounded and responsive during uncertainty by focusing on awareness, listening, and thoughtful action instead of reacting out of fear or urgency.

Do you need formal training to practice Theory U?

Formal training can be helpful, but it is not required. Many people begin by engaging with the concepts through reading, listening, and applying small practices in daily life.

How does Theory U support collaboration?

By encouraging deep listening and openness, Theory U helps individuals connect more authentically. This leads to stronger collaboration, shared understanding, and more aligned action within groups.

Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer. She is the author of six books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge. Amy Burtaine is a leadership coach and racial equity trainer. With Robin DiAngelo, she is the coauthor of The Facilitator's Guide for White Affinity Groups. For more, visit https://www.michellecjohnson.com/wisdom-of-the-hive.

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