Daniel J. Siegel: IntraConnected: Discovering MWe (Me + We)

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February 28, 2023

Daniel J. Siegel: IntraConnected: Discovering MWe (Me + We)

Dan Siegel February 28, 2023

We may have a mental understanding that all of life is one inseparable whole, yet how do we actually feel into this reality? And how do we relate to others and the world from this felt awareness? Dr. Daniel J. Siegel is a visionary creative thinker, professor, and founder of the field of interpersonal neurobiology. With Sounds True, he has authored numerous audio programs and courses, and his internationally bestselling books offer us an empowering new understanding of our bodies, our minds, and our mutual interdependence. 

In this podcast, Tami Simon speaks with Dr. Siegel about his book IntraConnected: MWe (Me + We) as the Integration of Self, Identity, and Belonging. Listen now as they explore the direct experience of being the whole of life; interconnection versus intraconnection; honoring the inner, the inter, and the intra; E. O. Wilson’s concept of consilience; the promotion of “linkages” as the basis of well-being; quantum physics and the study of energy; the Wheel of Awareness practice; the three-pillar practice of focused attention, opening awareness, and building kind intention; the power of wandering and “relaxing the flimsy fantasy of certainty”; our survival instincts and the investment in being separate; how mindfulness practice interrupts the “anticipatory brain” and brings us back to presence; the multiple pandemics of our time, and the lie that our identity is only in the “solo self”; how the tapestry of reality is of love and connection; seeing yourself as a verb instead of a noun; pervasive leadership, and how we’re all called to assist in “the Great Turning”; and more.

Note: This episode originally aired on Sounds True One, where these special episodes of Insights at the Edge are available to watch live on video and with exclusive access to Q&As with our guests. Learn more at join.soundstrue.com.

Daniel J. Siegel, MD, currently serves as the director of the Mindsight Institute and co-director of the UCLA Mindful Awareness Research Center. A graduate of Harvard Medical School, Dr. Siegel is the author of The Mindful Brain and Parenting from the Inside Out. His internationally acclaimed bestselling text, The Developing Mind, has been utilized by a number of organizations including the U.S. Department of Justice, the Vatican, and more. Dr. Siegel is the founding editor of the Norton Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology.

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What Is Polyvagal Theory?

Polyvagal Theory, developed by Dr. Stephen Porges, offers a new understanding of how our nervous system helps us navigate safety, connection, and survival. Rather than seeing the nervous system as a simple on/off switch for stress and relaxation, this theory describes a more nuanced system built around three key pathways: the ventral vagal, sympathetic, and dorsal vagal states.

Each of these states plays a role in how we respond to the world. When we’re in ventral vagal regulation, we feel safe, open, and connected. In sympathetic activation, the body gears up to protect us through the fight-or-flight response. And when that’s not possible, we may shift into dorsal vagal shutdown, which can feel like disconnection or collapse.

Polyvagal Theory helps us map these shifts, not as signs of dysfunction, but as adaptive responses to our inner and outer environment. This framework gives language to experiences that many people have felt but struggled to explain. It also lays a foundation for healing by understanding how the body communicates cues of safety and danger.

Deb Dana’s Approach To Nervous System Regulation

Deb Dana, a clinician and author deeply connected to Stephen Porges’s work, has played a vital role in making Polyvagal Theory accessible and applicable in everyday life. Her approach is rooted in the belief that regulation begins with awareness, not with trying to fix or override our nervous system, but by building a relationship with it.

Rather than pathologizing our responses, Deb invites us to get curious about them. When we begin to notice the shifts between states, like feeling open and connected one moment, then anxious or withdrawn the next, we start to understand the language of our nervous system.

Deb often describes this work as befriending the nervous system. That means learning to listen without judgment, responding with compassion, and practicing gentle ways of returning to safety and connection. It’s not about forcing calm, but about finding cues of safety that our unique system can trust.

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To befriend your nervous system is to shift from self-criticism to self-compassion. It’s the practice of meeting your internal experience with kindness, even when it’s uncomfortable or unfamiliar.

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Vagal Tone And The Path To Safety

Vagal tone is central to the body’s capacity for nervous system regulation. It reflects how easily we can shift into a state of calm and connection after stress. Supporting vagal tone isn’t about forcing the body to relax, it’s about creating environments and experiences that feel safe enough to allow that shift. Here’s how that can look in daily life:

What Is Vagal Tone?

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Cues Of Safety: The Foundation Of Regulation

According to Deb Dana, nervous system regulation starts with cues of safety: experiences that tell the body it’s okay to soften. This might be eye contact with someone trustworthy, a soothing sound, or the rhythm of a steady breath. These cues signal the ventral vagal system to activate, bringing us into a state of calm engagement.

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Strengthening vagal tone doesn’t require a dramatic change. Small, consistent actions like breathing slowly through the nose, humming, singing, or spending time with someone who helps you feel grounded can be deeply regulating. These practices gently guide the system back into connection.

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The first step is simply noticing. How does your body respond in different settings? What does “regulated” feel like for you? By tracking your nervous system states throughout the day, you start to recognize patterns, and that awareness becomes the ground for change.

Build A Personal Map

Deb often speaks about creating a personal nervous system map. This means identifying your own signs of ventral, sympathetic, and dorsal states, and naming the things that help you shift. Maybe music brings you back, or a certain person’s voice helps you settle. Mapping these can guide you toward regulation when you need it most.

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Regulation isn’t about staying calm all the time; it’s about returning. Even brief practices, like placing a hand on your heart or stepping outside for fresh air, can bring a sense of anchoring. Over time, these micro-moments build a more stable foundation of safety.

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We heal through connection, not isolation. Polyvagal practice isn’t a solo journey. Co-regulation, or feeling safe in the presence of others, is a key part of nervous system healing. This might come from a trusted friend, a therapist, or even the steady rhythm of a pet’s breathing beside you.

How Trauma Shapes Nervous System Responses

Trauma can reshape how the nervous system interprets the world. Instead of easily recognizing cues of safety, the system may become more attuned to cues of danger even when none are present. Deb Dana emphasizes that this isn’t a flaw. It’s a form of protection the body learned when it needed to survive.

Survival States Are Adaptive

When the nervous system perceives a threat, it automatically shifts into survival states such as fight-or-flight or shutdown. For someone who has experienced trauma, these responses may become more easily triggered, even in situations that feel safe to others. It’s the body doing what it knows to do to keep you safe.

The Importance Of Compassionate Awareness

Understanding these patterns with compassion is essential. Rather than asking, “What’s wrong with me?”, Deb invites us to ask, “What happened that shaped my system this way?” This shift softens judgment and opens the possibility for healing.

Regulation Takes Time And Trust

Regulation after trauma doesn’t happen overnight. It’s a process of slowly teaching the body that it no longer has to stay in protection mode. Through safe relationships, grounding practices, and patient attention, the system can begin to relearn what safety feels like.

Learn More With Deb Dana And Sounds True

For those who feel drawn to deepen their relationship with their nervous system, Deb Dana offers supportive, accessible guidance through Sounds True. Her courses and conversations are designed to meet people where they are, gently, without pressure, and with a deep respect for each person’s unique path.

To begin, the Befriending Your Nervous System program offers practical tools for working with your nervous system in everyday life. If you’re looking to understand how safety feels from the inside out, Finding Safety in Your Nervous System may be a helpful next step.

You can also listen to the Deb Dana Befriending Your Nervous System Podcast to hear her insights shared in conversation, or to explore The Healing Trauma Online Course for a more immersive experience.

Each of these offerings invites you into a gentler, more connected relationship with yourself, one grounded in the wisdom of your own nervous system.

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Final Thoughts

Polyvagal Theory gives us a language for something many of us have felt but didn’t know how to name: the constant shifts in how safe, connected, or overwhelmed we feel in our bodies. Through Deb Dana’s work, this understanding becomes not just theoretical, but personal, relational, and deeply human.

Befriending your nervous system isn’t about perfection. It’s about learning to notice, respond, and return again and again. It’s about offering yourself the same care and attunement you would offer someone you love. Over time, this practice becomes a way of living a quiet, steady return to connection.

Frequently Asked Questions About Polyvagal Theory

What does polyvagal mean in simple terms?

“Polyvagal” refers to the different branches of the vagus nerve that influence how we feel safe, respond to stress, and connect with others. It describes a system that helps us navigate connection, danger, and disconnection based on cues from our environment.

Can polyvagal theory help with anxiety?

Yes. Polyvagal Theory offers insight into how anxiety arises from nervous system states, helping people recognize when their system is in a stress response and how to shift toward a state of calm.

Is polyvagal theory supported by science?

Polyvagal Theory is rooted in neurophysiology and has a growing base of clinical application, especially in trauma therapy. While still evolving in research, it’s widely respected in somatic and therapeutic communities.

What role does breathwork play in polyvagal regulation?

Breathwork, especially slow, nasal breathing, can activate the vagus nerve and support regulation. It’s a gentle, accessible way to shift into a more connected state.

Can children benefit from polyvagal-informed practices?

Yes. Children, especially those with emotional or behavioral challenges, can benefit from environments that offer clear cues of safety and regulated adult presence.

How is co-regulation different from self-regulation?

Co-regulation happens through connection with others, such as being with someone calm and supportive, while self-regulation involves managing one’s own nervous system responses.

Does polyvagal theory apply to everyday stress?

Absolutely. Everyday stressors like social tension, noise, or change can trigger shifts in the nervous system. Polyvagal Theory helps explain and work with these shifts.

Is polyvagal theory only used in therapy?

No. While it’s widely used in therapeutic settings, its principles apply to relationships, parenting, education, leadership, and even creative practice.

Can someone be stuck in a survival state without realizing it?

Yes. Many people live in chronic sympathetic (anxious) or dorsal (shut down) states without having language for it. Polyvagal Theory offers a way to recognize and respond to these patterns.

How long does it take to “befriend” your nervous system?

There’s no fixed timeline. It’s an ongoing relationship that builds over time with consistent practice, gentle awareness, and supportive environments.

Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer. She is the author of six books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge. Amy Burtaine is a leadership coach and racial equity trainer. With Robin DiAngelo, she is the coauthor of The Facilitator's Guide for White Affinity Groups. For more, visit https://www.michellecjohnson.com/wisdom-of-the-hive.

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