Turn your understanding of meditation inside out and upside down

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June 26, 2023

Meditation has found a home in the West. Countless scientific studies tout its benefits, and a multitude of students proclaim its life-changing value. I am one of those students. For over forty-five years I have practiced this ancient art, and I continue to reap its remarkable rewards. While I remain a follower of many wisdom traditions, and believe that no one has a patent on truth, thirty years ago I took refuge in Buddhism. The adage “Chase two rabbits; catch none” points out the necessity of commitment, and the dangers of spreading yourself too thin.

My passion for meditation led me into the traditional Tibetan three-year retreat, where I became a monk with robes and a shaved head, meditating fourteen hours a day in a remote monastery. I even slept sitting up in meditation posture, practicing the nocturnal meditations of dream and sleep yoga. Three-year retreat is like a meditation university, providing the opportunity to practice dozens of meditations in the most nurturing environment. It remains the most transformative experience of my life.

Of the many practices I was introduced to in retreat, one meditation stands out: the quirky, intense, multifaceted, and revolutionary practice of reverse meditation. I learned these practices within the context of Mahāmudrā (Sanskrit for “great seal”), a lofty tradition in Tibetan Buddhism that explores the nature of the mind. This was over twenty years ago, and since then these radical meditations have become a cornerstone of my spiritual path.

They’re called “reverse” meditation for a number of reasons. First, these practices are the opposite, or reverse, of what many of us associate with meditation. Most people think that meditation is about feeling good, getting “Zen,” or otherwise chilling out. But this is just one small aspect of meditation. Complete meditation is not about feeling good—it’s about getting real. And getting real requires dealing with the reality of difficult situations.

Second, these unique meditations are designed to reverse our relationship to unwanted experiences, which means going directly into them instead of avoiding them. In so doing we can discover the basic goodness of whatever arises, which is deeper than interpretative goodness. Basic goodness refers to the ineffable “suchness, isness, thatness” of whatever occurs—good or bad.

If we capitulate to our usual avoidance strategies, we push the acute, conscious psychological discomfort of avoidance into becoming a chronic, unconscious mental cramp. The discomfort is still there, but now it’s buried deep in our body-mind matrix, where it works backstage to dictate much of our onstage life. The rejected experience then manifests symptomatically—it becomes an undiagnosed reflection of an underlying discord that expresses itself in virtually everything we do. Our actions then become evasion tactics—reactivity, psychological duress, physical illness, and all manner of unskillful responses to the challenges of life—as we try to skirt these buried, uncomfortable feelings.

The reverse meditations give us the opportunity to relate to our mind instead of from it—and also to establish a relationship to our evasion tactics, which otherwise become obstacles that act like scar tissue to sequester the unwanted experience from consciousness. Relating from our mind, from our reactivity, is no relationship at all. In place of conscious relationship, we respond with knee-jerk reflexes to difficult experience, a reactivity that kicks us out of our feeling body and into our thinking head, and into unnecessary suffering. Instead of dealing authentically with the challenging somatic sensation, we leap into inauthentic conceptual proliferation (confabulating and catastrophizing) to buffer ourselves from the discomfort of our feelings. We run from the honest pain and real news that come with being human, and into dishonest commentary and fake news. The truth is that many of the worst things in our life are things that never really “happened”!

Third, the reverse meditations upend our sense of meditation altogether. They represent a revolution in spiritual practice that turns our understanding of meditation inside out and upside down, and therefore radically expand our practice. Situations that were once antithetical to meditation now become our meditation. Obstacles that previously obstructed our spiritual path now become our path. This means that everything becomes our meditation. Nothing is forbidden. We can enter lifetime retreat in the midst of ordinary life.

Excerpted from Reverse Meditation: How to Use Your Pain and Most Difficult Emotions as the Doorway to Inner Freedom by Andrew Holecek.

Andrew Holecek is an author, speaker, and humanitarian who offers seminars internationally on meditation, lucid dreaming, and the art of dying. His work has appeared in Psychology Today, Parabola, Lion’s Roar, Tricycle, Utne Reader, Buddhadharma, Light of Consciousness, and many other periodicals. Learn more at andrewholecek.com.

Andrew Holecek

Andrew Holecek is a renowned author and humanitarian who teaches internationally on spirituality, meditation, lucid dreaming, and the art of dying. He has studied sleep yoga, bardo yoga, and other traditional practices with living masters in India and Nepal. Andrew’s books include Dreams of Light, Dream Yoga, and Reverse Meditation. His work has appeared in Psychology Today, Parabola, Lion’s Roar, Tricycle, Utne Reader, Buddhadharma, Light of Consciousness, and many other periodicals. He hosts the popular Edge of Mind podcast and is the founder of the Night Club community, a support platform for nocturnal meditations. Learn more at andrewholecek.com.

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Andrew Holecek: Stop, Drop, and Be Held in the Dark


What if the most transformative place you could go isn’t a retreat center or a therapist’s office—but complete and total darkness?

This week, Tami Simon speaks with Andrew Holecek—interdisciplinary scholar, longtime practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism, and author of the new Sounds True book Total Eclipse of the Mind: Unleashing the Power of Darkness for Creativity, Healing, and Transformation—about the practice of dark retreat: full immersion in sealed, lightless environments used by yogis for centuries to accelerate inner transformation.

Holecek calls it the single most transformative practice of his fifty years of meditation, psychedelic exploration, and three-year Tibetan retreat—and in this interview, he explains why.

Join Tami and Andrew to explore:

  • What actually happens to the mind in extended darkness—and the neurological science behind why it’s so transformative
  • The descent of the mind through conscious, subconscious, and collective unconscious layers—and what waits at the bottom
  • Dark retreat as a “sober psychedelic”: how the brain generates its own endogenous DMT in extended darkness
  • The practice of enantiodromia—when extreme contraction suddenly flips into extraordinary openness
  • How to work with panic, trauma, and unwanted experience using the “reverse meditation” principle: feel it, but don’t feed it
  • Why appearances don’t matter in the dark—and why so many people emerge in tears, feeling safe and held for the first time
  • The four-step process for integrating darkness into daily life, from sleep masks to dedicated dark rooms

This interview was recorded with both Tami and Andrew wearing blackout masks—making it one of the most immersive listening experiences in Insights at the Edge history.

Listen now and discover what’s been waiting in the dark. →

This conversation offers genuine transmission—not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together. Originally aired on Sounds True One.

This episode is sponsored by Omega Institute, a global gathering hub for lifelong learning and spiritual exploration. Located in upstate New York’s beautiful Hudson Valley, Omega offers weekend workshops, special events, rest and rejuvenation retreats, professional trainings, online learning, and more. Discover what calls to you at eomega.org/true.

Andrew Holecek: What Reincarnates? | Part 2

Join Tami Simon and Andrew Holecek for the second half of their exploration of reincarnation. Here, they delve deeper into Tibetan Buddhist perspectives on death, rebirth, and the power of “dark retreat” practice, revealing practical guidance for navigating everyday life.

What happens after we die? And what do habits have to do with the process? In this episode of Insights at the Edge, host Tami Simon welcomes Andrew Holecek, scholar, author, and teacher of Tibetan Buddhism and non-dual wisdom traditions. Together, they dive into the mysteries of reincarnation and the “gap between lives.” Drawing from Tibetan teachings on the bardos, dream yoga, and the art of dying, Andrew shares practical insights on how these ancient teachings are not just about what happens after death, but also about navigating the transitions and challenges we face here and now. 

Join them to explore: 

  • How our beliefs about death deeply inform how we live
  • The nature of awareness and the influence of habits
  • How cultivating lucidity transforms both our dreams and our waking lives, and more

Note: These interviews originally aired on Sounds True One, where these special episodes of Insights at the Edge are available to watch live on video and with exclusive access to Q&As with our guests. Learn more at join.soundstrue.com.

Andrew Holecek: What Reincarnates? | Part 1

What happens after we die? And what do habits have to do with the process?

In this episode of Insights at the Edge, host Tami Simon welcomes Andrew Holecek, scholar, author, and teacher of Tibetan Buddhism and non-dual wisdom traditions. Together, they dive into the mysteries of reincarnation and the “gap between lives.” Drawing from Tibetan teachings on the bardos, dream yoga, and the art of dying, Andrew shares practical insights on how these ancient teachings are not just about what happens after death, but also about navigating the transitions and challenges we face here and now. 

Join them to explore: 

  • How our beliefs about death deeply inform how we live
  • The nature of awareness and the influence of habits
  • How cultivating lucidity transforms both our dreams and our waking lives

Whether you’re curious about what happens after we die or seeking wisdom to live more fully, this episode offers insights for inner explorers of all beliefs and backgrounds.

Note: This interview originally aired on Sounds True One, where these special episodes of Insights at the Edge are available to watch live on video and with exclusive access to Q&As with our guests. Learn more at join.soundstrue.com.

 

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Join Tami and Tracee to explore:

  • The threshold question at the heart of ritual: what within me is dying, and what is waiting to be born?
  • Why devotion, not discipline, is the doorway—and how to weave practice through an ordinary householder’s day without shame
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Tracee also speaks candidly about walking away from a successful film career, and what a surgery taught her about the ego that refuses to let the body rest.

Tracee opens and closes this interview with a short guided ritual you can practice along with.

Listen now, and let something be reshaped. →

This conversation offers genuine transmission, not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together, and it originally aired on Sounds True One.

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Judith Orloff On How To Thrive As An Empath

Have you ever walked into a room and felt someone else’s sadness settle into your own chest before a single word was spoken? Or left a gathering so depleted that you needed hours alone just to feel like yourself again? You may already know what it means to move through the world as an empath, someone who absorbs other people’s emotions as if they were your own.

For over 40 years, we at Sounds True have been trusted stewards of spiritual education, home to the world’s largest living library of transformational teachings. Our podcast, Insights at the Edge, hosted by founder Tami Simon, has preserved real, unscripted conversations with respected spiritual teachers and healers. Here, Tami sits down with Judith Orloff, MD, a UCLA psychiatrist and leading voice on empathy, whose bestselling books have helped countless sensitive people understand themselves with more compassion.

Together, they trace the inner life of an empath, why sensitivity deserves honoring, and the grounding practices that help you stay open without losing yourself.

Key Takeaways:

  • What You Feel Is Real: Judith Orloff explains that empaths absorb the emotions of others as their own, which means the exhaustion you feel after being around people is a real and recognizable experience, not a personal failing.
  • Sensitivity Is a Form of Medicine: Judith describes empathy as a healing force, one that benefits the person who carries it and the relationships and communities they touch. Your capacity to feel deeply is part of what makes genuine connection possible.
  • Boundaries Keep Your Gift Alive: Grounding, rest, and the willingness to say no are not indulgences for empaths. They are what allow sensitivity to remain a strength rather than a source of burnout.

What It Means To Thrive As An Empath

Judith opened her conversation with Tami by naming something many sensitive people feel but rarely have language for: the experience of being an emotional sponge. As an empath, you carry the joy and sorrow of those around you in your own body, as though the boundary between their inner world and yours has quietly dissolved. Judith described this as a real and distinct way of being, one that reaches far beyond ordinary sensitivity.

She also drew an important distinction with Tami: there is a difference between learning empathic skills and being a natural empath, wired to take in the emotional weather of every room. For a natural empath, this isn’t an occasional technique. It’s a constant, often unfiltered channel of perception that, without understanding, can lead to exhaustion and overwhelm.

If this sounds familiar, Judith offers something valuable: permission to see your sensitivity not as a flaw, but as a legitimate way of perceiving the world.

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Empathy As Medicine: Why Sensitivity Matters For Healing

Judith sees empathy as far more than an interesting personality trait. In her conversation with Tami, she framed it as something close to medicine, a healing force with the power to touch both the individual carrying it and the relationships and communities that surround them. The path of thriving as an empath begins with recognizing just how much this capacity can offer, once it is met with the right care:

Empathy As A Personal Healing Force

Judith spoke about empathy as something that, when honored rather than suppressed, becomes a source of genuine healing for the person who carries it. Rather than treating sensitivity as an obstacle to push through, she invited listeners to see it as a doorway back to themselves, one that asks for recognition and gentleness rather than resistance.

Empathy’s Role In Relationships

In her discussion with Tami, Judith described how empathy shapes the quality of our closest connections. When you can truly feel what another person is experiencing, relationships deepen in ways that surface-level understanding never allows. This kind of attunement, she noted, is part of what makes empaths such meaningful presences in other people’s lives.

Empathy As Medicine For Community

Judith extended this idea outward, describing empathy as a vital medicine not just for individuals but for communities as a whole. In a world that feels fractured, she suggested that empaths carry a quiet but essential role, helping to knit connection back into relationships and groups that have grown distant or strained.

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Empath Self Care: Grounding Tools To Prevent Burnout

Knowing what it means to be an empath is only the beginning. Judith and Tami also spent real time on the practical side of this conversation, the everyday tools that help you stay steady when the world around you feels overwhelming. Sensitivity without support can tip quickly into exhaustion. With that in mind, Judith offered several grounding tools for empath self care as you move through a world that can feel loud and demanding:

Grounding As A Daily Practice

Judith spoke about grounding as an essential, ongoing practice for empaths rather than something reserved for moments of crisis. Staying connected to your own body and breath throughout the day helps create a kind of internal steadiness, so you’re less likely to be pulled entirely into the emotional current of everyone around you.

Setting Loving Boundaries

A recurring theme in Judith’s conversation with Tami was the importance of boundaries. For empaths, saying no is not unkind. It’s an act of self-respect that protects your energy so you can show up fully for the people and situations that matter most, rather than depleting yourself for everyone who asks.

Making Self-Care Non-Negotiable

Judith was clear that self-care is foundational for empaths. Without regular time to recover and replenish, sensitivity can quickly tip into overwhelm. She encouraged listeners to treat rest and quiet as essential parts of a sustainable, thriving life, not indulgences to fit in when there’s time left over.

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Final Thoughts

What emerges most clearly from this conversation is a simple but freeing idea: your sensitivity was never something to fix. Judith Orloff’s conversation with Tami Simon offers a gentler way of understanding what it means to move through the world feeling everything so fully, and a reminder that a fuller, steadier life as an empath is possible once you learn to honor your own nervous system as carefully as you honor everyone else’s.

We invite you to spend time with the full depth of this exchange. Listen to Judith Orloff on How to Thrive as an Empath to take in the warmth and nuance that only a real, unscripted conversation can carry. Our online courses offer more ways to deepen this work alongside teachers who know this path from the inside.

Frequently Asked Questions About Judith Orloff On How To Thrive As An Empath

What is an empath, according to Judith Orloff?

Judith Orloff describes an empath as someone who doesn’t just sympathize with others’ emotions but absorbs them, often feeling them in their own body as though the feelings were their own.

How is a natural empath different from someone practicing empathy as a skill?

Judith draws a clear distinction between people learning empathic skills and natural empaths, who are wired from the start to take in the emotional atmosphere of every room, making their sensitivity a constant part of daily life.

Why do empaths get so easily drained by other people?

Because empaths absorb emotions as their own, spending time around intense feelings, whether joyful or difficult, can leave them depleted in a way that others may not experience in the same situations.

Can this kind of steadiness really be learned?

Judith’s conversation with Tami offers real encouragement here, showing that with grounding, boundaries, and consistent self-care, empaths can move from feeling overwhelmed to feeling genuinely at home in their sensitivity.

How does empathy help heal relationships and communities?

Judith describes empathy as a kind of medicine, one that deepens personal connections and helps knit communities back together, especially in a world that can often feel disconnected.

What role do boundaries play in an empath’s well-being?

Boundaries are essential, not optional. Judith emphasizes that a loving no is an act of self-respect that protects an empath’s energy so they can show up fully for what matters most.

Where can I learn more from teachers like Judith Orloff?

Our online courses offer more ways to explore this kind of work, and our Sounds True One membership connects you with a wider community learning alongside teachers just like her.

Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer. She is the author of six books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge. Amy Burtaine is a leadership coach and racial equity trainer. With Robin DiAngelo, she is the coauthor of The Facilitator’s Guide for White Affinity Groups. For more, visit https://www.michellecjohnson.com/wisdom-of-the-hive.

Andrea Gibson on Facing Mortality and Being Adored by ...

Andrea Gibson did not write about mortality from a safe distance. Colorado’s 2023–25 Poet Laureate spoke with Sounds True founder Tami Simon while living with cancer, and Sounds True later shared the conversation again as an encore after Gibson’s passing.

Great poets tend to expand our view of ourselves, of each other, and of the wider universe we share, and Sounds True has spent four decades making room for voices willing to speak this honestly. 

In this piece, we look at what Gibson taught about softening rather than pushing, what poetry offered as a container for grief, and what it looked like to keep showing up for a cause while loosening one’s grip on the outcome.

Key Takeaways:

  • Softness Over Force: Learn why Andrea Gibson chose trying softer instead of harder while living with cancer.
  • Poetry Holds Grief: Understand how Gibson used verse to witness sorrow rather than resolve it.
  • Activism Without Grip: See how Gibson stayed committed to causes while loosening control over outcomes.

A Conversation Recorded From Inside the Fire

What emerged was not wisdom delivered from a place of having already arrived, but a real-time account of learning to love a life that was actively slipping away, told with a rare mix of humor, ache, and clarity.

Hear the full conversation in Andrea Gibson on Facing Mortality and Being Adored by the Universe, recorded as part of our Insights at the Edge series.

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Trying Softer, Not Harder

A phrase that anchors much of this conversation, trying softer instead of harder, captures something Gibson circled back to again and again. Illness stripped away the option of pushing through discomfort the way Gibson once might have. What replaced it was a different relationship to effort itself, one built on relaxation rather than force, and one that felt genuinely earned rather than borrowed from a wellness slogan.

  • Relaxation as Skill: Gibson treated softening as a practice, not a passive default.
  • Effort Redefined: Trying softer did not mean giving up, only releasing unnecessary tension.
  • Presence Over Push: Staying with what is real mattered more than forcing outcomes.

Poetry and Grief as the Same Practice

For Gibson, poetry and grief were never separate disciplines. Writing became the place where sorrow could be witnessed rather than managed, and the poem “Acceptance Speech After Setting the World Record in Goosebumps,” read aloud during the episode, shows this directly. Rather than resolving grief into something tidy, Gibson’s poems tend to sit within it, finding unexpected tenderness there instead of rushing toward comfort or closure, a quality that has resonated with readers facing their own losses.

This approach offers something rare: permission to let a poem remain unresolved, because life itself often remains unresolved. Gibson never treated grief as a problem waiting for a solution, but as a companion worth genuinely listening to.

Being Adored by the Universe

The episode’s title borrows Gibson’s own language for a shift in perception that arrived alongside the diagnosis: a felt sense of being cherished by existence itself, not despite the illness but somehow through it. This was not framed as denial or spiritual bypassing. Gibson spoke openly about fear and about the ordinary difficulty of staying present with an uncertain future, refusing to perform a peace that wasn’t fully felt.

Gibson described this shift as something closer to surrender than achievement, a letting go of the need to control how the story ended in exchange for a fuller experience of what was happening right now.

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Activism Without a Death Grip on Outcomes

Gibson’s decades of work in queer, disability, and social justice movements gave the conversation another dimension: how does a lifelong activist hold hope when illness limits what the body can do? Gibson didn’t retreat from these questions, instead treating illness as another lens for examining how change actually happens. Several threads run through this part of the discussion:

  • Loosened Attachment: Committing to a cause without needing a specific outcome to feel it mattered.
  • Rest as Contribution: Recognizing presence and rest as valid forms of participation, not failures of dedication.
  • Joy Beside Grief: Letting both feelings coexist rather than treating one as a distraction.

Self-Love as a Radical Practice

Much of this conversation returns to self-love, not as an indulgent afterthought but as something Gibson treated as foundational work. Loving the self fully, Gibson suggested, is inseparable from loving the whole world, since the way we treat our own fear and fragility often mirrors how we treat everyone else’s. This wasn’t offered as a tidy affirmation but as ongoing practice, revisited daily and never fully finished, especially on days when self-compassion felt hardest to access.

Finding Joy in Every Instant

Gibson resisted the idea that joy has to wait for circumstances to improve. Even amid a serious diagnosis, Gibson described locating genuine joy inside small, present moments rather than deferring it to some future recovery. This wasn’t forced positivity; Gibson was candid about fear and grief throughout the conversation. The joy Gibson described lived alongside difficulty, not instead of it, which is part of what makes this teaching feel honest rather than aspirational, and part of why it has stayed with so many listeners since.

  • Small Moments Count: A conversation, a breath, or a piece of music could hold real joy.
  • No Waiting Required: Joy did not depend on the illness resolving or improving first.
  • Coexistence, Not Contradiction: Fear and joy showed up together without canceling each other out.

Authenticity as the Foundation of Gibson’s Writing

Throughout the conversation, Gibson returns to authenticity as the single most important quality in creative work. Writing that performs certainty or polish, in Gibson’s view, tends to ring hollow, while writing that admits confusion and fear invites readers closer rather than pushing them away. This belief shaped Gibson’s entire body of work, long before illness entered the picture, and it became even more pronounced once every page carried real stakes.

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Why This Conversation Stays With Sounds True

Sounds True has always believed spiritual teaching lands hardest when it comes from an unscripted, honest voice rather than a polished script. Gibson’s conversation with Tami embodies that belief completely, offering listeners a chance to sit with mortality alongside someone who was living it in real time rather than theorizing from a comfortable distance. That kind of transmission is rare, and it’s part of why this episode has continued to reach new listeners well beyond its original air date.

Final Thoughts

Andrea Gibson left behind a body of work that refuses to separate beauty from difficulty, and this conversation captures that refusal in its most direct form. At Sounds True, our mission has always been to wake up the world, and Gibson’s willingness to stay tender in the face of mortality is exactly the kind of courage that mission was built to honor. Their words remain in our library for anyone who needs company in facing what feels unfaceable, today or on a harder day ahead, and their voice continues to offer that company long after the recording ended.

Frequently Asked Questions About Andrea Gibson

Who was Andrea Gibson?

Andrea Gibson was Colorado’s 2023–25 Poet Laureate, celebrated for poetry on love, identity, and social justice.

When was this conversation originally recorded?

The conversation with Tami Simon originally aired in 2023 and was later shared again as an encore.

What poem does Gibson read during the episode?

Gibson reads “Acceptance Speech After Setting the World Record in Goosebumps” during the conversation.

Does Sounds True offer more of Gibson’s work?

Sounds True continues sharing Gibson’s recorded conversations and reflections through our podcast archives.

What podcast series includes this episode?

This conversation appears on Insights at the Edge, hosted by Sounds True founder Tami Simon.

Is this conversation appropriate for someone newly diagnosed?

Many listeners facing illness find comfort in Gibson’s honesty about fear, softness, and staying present.

Where can I explore similar teachings on self-compassion?

Visit our Self-Compassion collection for related titles and programs from other Sounds True authors.

Does Sounds True cover grief and loss elsewhere?

Yes, related conversations and resources appear throughout our Relationships and Spirituality & Awakening collections.

Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer. She is the author of six books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge. Amy Burtaine is a leadership coach and racial equity trainer. With Robin DiAngelo, she is the coauthor of The Facilitator’s Guide for White Affinity Groups. For more, visit https://www.michellecjohnson.com/wisdom-of-the-hive.

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