Pānquetzani

Pānquetzani comes from a matriarchal family of folk healers from the valley of Mexico (Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, and Tlaxcala), La Comarca Lagunera (Durango and Coahuila), and Zacatecas. As a traditional herbalist, healer, and birthkeeper, Pānquetzani has touched over 3,000 wombs and bellies. Through her platform, Indigemama: Ancestral Healing, she has taught over 100 live, in-person intensives and trainings on womb wellness. She lives in California. For more, visit indigemama.com.

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Tami asks Pānquetzani how she would put words to the devotion she so clearly feels toward her ancestral line. The answer starts in the body. During her first postpartum womb adjustment, Pānquetzani felt an anger release that she is certain wasn’t hers — it was inherited, and it had arrived alongside the gifts.

That’s the premise of her work as a traditional healer of Mesoamerican and Mexican medicine: the gifts and the wounds come together, and tending the wounds is the job. Her ancestors survived colonization and violence, and they didn’t survive it only for themselves. So she owes them reverence — paid not in words but in living. Slowing down. Crying. Dancing. Sensual and sexual pleasure. All the things they may never have had the privilege to do.

Then there’s her son. At fifteen he taught himself metalwork — knives, swords, bows, tools. Pānquetzani showed the work to her eighty-three-year-old grandmother, who said, oh, your grandfather used to do that. A whole family trade back in Mexico, a shop, generations of it, and nobody had ever mentioned it. He found his way back to it because he was given room to follow what he loved.

In this episode:

  • Why ancestral gifts and ancestral wounds arrive together
  • Making your life an altar — reverence as something you live rather than something you say
  • Healing lineages backwards, and telling the dead their suffering wasn’t in vain
  • What thriving actually means: joy, energy, celebration, and getting your medicine to the people who need it
  • The inheritance beyond the physical — the energetic, mental, and social resources previous generations went without

Taken from the full Insights at the Edge conversation with Pānquetzani. Find the complete interview in this feed or at soundstrue.com

Pānquetzani: Tune in to the Womb: Thriving Postpartum


Pānquetzani is a traditional herbalist, healer, and birthkeeper from a matriarchal family of folk healers from the valley of Mexico, La Comarca Lagunera, and Zacatecas. At a time when countless women in BIPOC communities are facing a maternal mortality crisis, Pānquetzani is working to bring back the nearly lost Indigenous approaches to childbirth and the postpartum journey. In her new book, Thriving Postpartum, she shares the sacred ritual of la cuarentena (or quarantine) that honors, nurtures, and empowers a birthing person’s transition into their new life.

Enjoy Tami Simon’s conversation with Pānquetzani exploring the philosophy of “use what you have,” sacred foods and using ritual in your approach to nutrition, sacrifice and reciprocity, community care and creating a collective framework for postpartum healing, maintaining your sovereignty (and sanity) within the Western medical system, the “postpartum doorstep drop off” and other simple ways to support new moms, postpartum depression from the perspective of traditional Mexican medicine, honoring the placenta, healing intergenerational trauma, the practice of tuning in to your womb, and more.

Five Tips for Postpartum Bliss

Bliss out on baby, mi amor. Love your chichis. Admire your soft curves, your delicate belly, and the way you require intentional care. Everything deep comes to the surface as you pour sweat, milk, blood, and tears onto your sheets. I want your postpartum to feel blissful, so here are five tips to help you make that happen.

1. Make a postpartum plan.

You can’t plan exactly the way the birth will pan out, but you can plan the details of your postpartum support. Bodywork, meals, laundry, and childcare for your other children are some things to consider. Use this book as a guide to feel into what nonnegotiables you’ll need in place during la cuarentena.

2. Don’t DIY postpartum.

There’s a time and place for self-reliance. Postpartum ain’t the time. Postpartum traditions are community centered. Once you know that you’re pregnant, surrender to other folks holding you. Waddle that ass to circles with like-minded familias who you know would be down for mutual support. This is why we have the Indigemama community and so many other comunidades who are dedicated to saving our lives.

3. Shift your mindset.

One of the biggest internal challenges I see postpartum people go through is the mental chatter that puts a wall up, barring any chance for outside support. When we’re socialized into struggling and then rewarded for doing things on our own, it’s easy to feel guilty asking for help. You might be distrustful of other people’s capacity to fulfill your needs. How many times have you heard women say, “If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself”? This belief sets postpartum people up for anxiety, stress, depression, and overwhelm. If you want postpartum done right, you have to feel in your body that you are worthy of being venerated; you must feel that you are deserving of being held. 

Paying homage to you is paying homage to nature itself. Give your potential supporters that opportunity to connect with creation.

4. Repeat after me: affirmations, affirmations.

It’s easy to feel ashamed to ask for what you need. It’s normal to feel guilty when you see how hard people are working for you. Give yourself a pep talk: I allow myself to be cared for. I accept this help. I trust that I can be held without lifting a finger. I surrender myself to the love and labor of others. I soften and allow myself to be carried. I want you to do this every moment that you need it. When you affirm that you’re doing the right thing over and over, then eventually it becomes second nature.

5. Support your romantic relationship.

Postpartum is stressful AF! Those of us with multiple children can tell you that the little ones tend to take precedent over romantic relationships. But after a while, that really weighs down a union. Plan relationship goals. When will you start to date again? What’s the plan for one-on-one time? Who are the people who hold you and your partner(s) up as a sacred union? What baggage can you each decide to let go of now? What support can each of you get individually from healthy older couples who are content with each other? What can you appreciate about each other during la cuarentena? What words do you need to say to each other when the going gets tough? Nurturing a healthy, loving relationship with each other when you’re parenting children is a practice of discipline.

This excerpt is from Thriving Postpartum: Embracing the Indigenous Wisdom of La Cuarentena by Pānquetzani

Pānquetzani

Pānquetzani comes from a matriarchal family of folk healers from the valley of Mexico (Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, and Tlaxcala), La Comarca Lagunera (Durango and Coahuila), and Zacatecas. As a traditional herbalist, healer, and birth keeper, Pānquetzani has touched over 3,000 wombs and bellies. Through her platform, Indigemama: Ancestral Healing, she has taught over 100 live, in-person intensives and trainings on womb wellness. She lives in California. For more, visit indigemama.com.

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What if the very thing that wounded you is the source of the medicine you’re here to give?

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  • Ancestry: Consider how ancestral relationships and Yoruba-influenced practices contribute to Akomolafe’s reflections on connection and belonging.
  • Spiritual Inquiry: Understand how contemplation, activism, historical trauma, and social change intersect throughout the conversation.

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Born in Nigeria and shaped by Yoruba teachings as well as Western academia, Bayo Akomolafe brings an unconventional perspective to questions of crisis and social change.

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Sanctuary, as it emerges in this conversation, is closely connected to the practice of slowing down. Akomolafe challenges the idea that a pause simply helps us recover enough energy to keep moving in the same direction.

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Urgent circumstances often create pressure to respond immediately. Akomolafe offers another possibility: slowing down and healing can become part of how we meet a crisis rather than something postponed until the crisis has passed.

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Akomolafe also draws attention to our relationships with those who came before us. The conversation considers the African spiritual practice of pouring drink to the earth as an expression of indebtedness to ancestors and to everything that makes life possible.

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Finding New Possibilities Through Slowing Down and Healing

The image of standing at a crossroads runs through Akomolafe’s reflections. He suggests that the ground beneath familiar assumptions is shifting, creating conditions in which what once went unsaid may become possible to speak and understand.

Slowing down gives us time to remain with that uncertainty. Rather than rushing toward a familiar answer, we can pay attention to what a changing landscape might reveal.

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Final Thoughts

Bayo Akomolafe’s invitation to make sanctuary encourages us to reconsider our relationship with urgency, grief, and change. Through slowing down and healing, we can create space to listen more deeply, honor our connections, and remain open to possibilities that may emerge when we pause.

Frequently Asked Questions About Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary

Who is Bayo Akomolafe?

Bayo Akomolafe is a thinker, writer, speaker, and trained clinical psychologist whose work engages questions of social change, spirituality, community, and the ways people respond to challenging circumstances.

Who speaks with Bayo Akomolafe in Let Us Make Sanctuary?

Bayo Akomolafe speaks with Sounds True founder Tami Simon. Their conversation brings his ideas into a reflective exchange centered on sanctuary, change, grief, and spiritual inquiry.

What traditions influence Bayo Akomolafe’s perspective?

Akomolafe’s perspective is informed in part by Yoruba teachings and his Nigerian background, alongside his experience with Western academic thought. These influences contribute to his distinctive approach to spirituality and social questions.

What role does ancestry play in Bayo Akomolafe’s teachings?

Ancestry provides a way to consider our relationship with those who came before us. Akomolafe speaks about practices that acknowledge indebtedness to ancestors and the many relationships that make our lives possible.

How does Bayo Akomolafe connect spirituality and activism?

Akomolafe considers how spiritual contemplation can inform our relationship with activism. Rather than treating inner reflection and collective concerns as entirely separate, his perspective creates room for them to meet.

Why does Bayo Akomolafe discuss historical trauma?

Historical trauma offers an opportunity to consider how places marked by suffering might be approached differently. Akomolafe reflects on visiting such sites as spaces for contemplation and engagement with histories of loss.

What is the significance of the crossroads in Akomolafe’s thinking?

The crossroads represents a place where established directions may become uncertain and different possibilities can emerge. It provides a useful image for considering periods of cultural and personal transition.

How does Let Us Make Sanctuary approach interconnectedness?

The conversation recognizes that individual lives are shaped by relationships, histories, ancestors, communities, and the living world. This perspective invites a broader understanding of how people belong to one another and their surroundings.

Is Let Us Make Sanctuary intended only for experienced spiritual practitioners?

No. The conversation can speak to both longtime spiritual seekers and people who are newly curious about contemplative ideas. Sounds True shares teachings in an accessible, heart-led way for people at different points in their learning journeys.

Where can I listen to Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary?

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