Shamini Jain

Shamini Jain, PhD, is the founder and CEO of the Consciousness and Healing Initiative (CHI), a nonprofit collaborative that leads humanity to heal ourselves. Dr. Jain is an Ivy League-trained clinical psychologist and an award-winning research scientist in psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) and integrative medicine. She is a sought-after speaker and teacher in mind-body-spirit healing. Dr. Jain is also adjunct faculty at UC San Diego. For more, visit shaminijain.com.

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There’s an elephant in the room anytime someone talks about energy healing, an elephant named Placebo. 

For most of us, placebo means you got the sugar pill. It means whatever’s happening is all in your mind, not in your body. That’s even what Tami thought when she sat down to talk with award-winning researcher in psychoneuroimmunology and trained clinical psychologist Shamini Jain, PhD, in 2023. 

But here’s the thing—placebo isn’t the thing science needs to control for and throw out. It’s the measurable evidence of what our bodies do on their own, and Shamini makes the case with research most of us have never heard about.

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  • The open-label placebo studies where patients are told outright they’re receiving a placebo—and improve anyway
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  • What the antidepressant data actually says—and why “we work” may be the better takeaway than “the drugs don’t”

Mallory and Chris have spent the past year and a half working on a podcast about energy healing (Phenomena) and Sounds True is offering—right now—an immersion course on energy healing featuring Shamini Jain as well as Robert Peng and Laurie Nealon…so now felt like the perfect time to bring this conversation back. And maybe rename that elephant for good.

Taken from the full Insights at the Edge conversation with Shamini Jain.

Shamini Jain: Healing Ourselves at This Time—The Ben...


What is the future of health and healing? In this podcast, Tami Simon speaks with Dr. Shamini Jain about her vision of the medicine of tomorrow, where not only the physical aspects of who we are but also our emotions, energy, and spirit are all vital considerations in the prevention and treatment of illness. 

Tune in to this illuminating conversation with the author of the book, Healing Ourselves: Biofield Science and the Future of Health, for a glimpse ahead to an emerging, universal flourishing of humanity. Tami and Dr. Jain explore: the body as a garden, the field of psychoneuroimmunology and the link between mind and body, subtle energy and the biofield, the “benevolent challenge” facing humanity at this time, using vibration and sound to work with difficult emotions, energy healing and preventative care practices, a guided biofield vocal toning exercise, the movement toward “whole-person health” in an interconnected world, the neuroscience of social pain and empathy, extending healing to others, surrender and trust, giving ourselves permission to be everything that we want, and more.

Note: This episode originally aired on Sounds True One, where these special episodes of Insights at the Edge are available to watch live on video and with exclusive access to Q&As with our guests. Learn more at join.soundstrue.com.

Express Your Creativity to Jump-Start Vitality

Have you ever felt like you lost a part of yourself? 

Sometimes it happens. Life changes, and we change with it. It could be a move, job change, marriage, kids, taking care of elders, or any sort of transition. Sometimes it’s not even a difficult transition that makes us lose a part of ourselves but a decision we make to keep on with some things and release the rest. And yet, we might regret leaving that part of us behind. Often, the part of ourselves we leave behind is a creative part of ourselves that we might think, in today’s world, is less important or less valued. 

This certainly happened to me—for about fifteen years. Basically, I lost my voice. As much as I loved singing, for reasons I could not fully understand, I knew part of my path was to continue in my study of healing. Unfortunately, when I chose graduate school, I also decided there was no point in singing anymore if I was not “serious.” Not only did I relinquish my opportunity to prepare for a professional career in classical western opera singing—I simply stopped singing altogether. And by making that black-and-white decision, based more in perfectionism than in feeding my heart and soul, I lost a huge part of myself for more than fifteen years. Singing was a gift I was given to bring me back to my own creative bliss—but I had been blind to its purpose for most of my life. And a part of me literally felt like I had died.

I’ll bet many of you can relate. External circumstances seem to shift the tides of our lives so that sometimes we lose parts of ourselves society doesn’t necessarily directly reward. If we enjoyed art, dance, music, or other areas of creative expression when we were young, unless we pursued these passions as professional artists, we might have lost sight of them over the years. We often think we have to leave creative pursuits behind in our process of “adulting”—making money, providing for a family, and pursuing a career. However, losing that creative juice comes with real costs—we can end up losing our ability to innovate, our fluidity, and a great deal of our joy.

Thankfully, our creativity is never really lost. In my case, I found the joy of singing again spontaneously while singing to my kids when they were young. When they got a bit older, I decided to reclaim the fun of singing for myself. Out of the blue, I created a Guns N’ Roses cover band called Nuns N Moses. I searched for musicians and convinced them (all straight males) to dress as nuns while I dressed as Moses for part of the show, changing lyrics and singing songs from Moses’s perspective. It was hilarious fun while paying homage to one of my favorite childhood rock ‘n’ roll bands with excellent musicians. Soon after, I was asked to front an Iron Maiden tribute band called Up the Irons. The music was amazing, and the band was a hit, with thousands of fans and a busy gig schedule at the best venues in Southern California. I found myself blissfully singing my heart out—and I had more energy than I ever had in my life.

I share this personal story with you for two reasons. One is to remind you that the parts of you that you think are forgotten actually live on inside of you—particularly the creative parts of you. These are the parts that long for authentic expression, in whatever ways they are able to manifest. They do not die, and when we give them voice, we actually provide healing for ourselves—an ability to bring us to a greater sense of self-awareness, self expression, connection, and ultimately transcendence. The second reason is to challenge you to consider ways you can step out into a more authentic expression of yourself—even if it feels risky to you. The best thing you can do is to break the false idol of yourself. Creative expression gives you the tools to connect with yourself beyond your cultural and social conditioning and to connect with others in true heart and soul expression. Nothing can be more freeing and more healing.

PUTTING CREATIVITY INTO PRACTICE

Fostering Our Flow

How do we begin to jump-start our experience of creativity and its links to flow, improved mood, and vitality to augment our own deeper, more authentic expression of ourselves and our healing? Following is an easy guide:

First, recognize that you are a creative being. The more you identify yourself as a creator, the easier it will be for you to create in different settings, even at work. Even the scientific data suggest this. 

Start simple. Remember that no one defines what is creative except you. Is there a particular creative activity that draws you to it? It does not matter whether you have prior experience with 

  1. It does not need to be a specific art form, either (putting creative outfits together or improvising a meal without a recipe are examples). Pick something easy for you to engage in at least once a week for six weeks, and do something that you can easily fit into your day or week. (Singing in the car or dancing around the house for fifteen minutes a day counts!)

Go beyond judgment. Suspend your and others’ judgment, and move beyond your discomfort. Believe me, I know what it’s like when the kids beg you to stop singing in the car! You will encounter a whole slew of judgmental statements, most of them likely from yourself. As Nike loves to say, “Just Do It.” (In my case, when encountering my children’s complaints, I keep singing, but I do it more softly so as not to irritate their eardrums beyond belief.) When feeling uncomfortable, do it anyway and tap into the bodily, energetic feeling that you have when you are being creative. That will help you break through those negative self-judgments and clear those vrittis, or mind disturbances!

Observe, persist, and enjoy. Notice how you feel after engaging in your creative act. Be your own scientist. Explore how you feel after the first time, and then the second time, and so on. How did the rest of your day go after you allowed yourself some time for creativity? Keep at it, and even try your hand at something new. You might feel more comfortable working with an art form you have learned in the past. However, remember that your goal is not perfection—it is connecting with the energy of creativity. There is something to be said for examining an art form with “beginner’s mind.” Keep honing your creativity by focusing on both things you know and things you don’t know, and see what insights come to you as a result.

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Shamini Jain, PhD, is the founder and CEO of the Consciousness and Healing Initiative (CHI), a nonprofit collaborative that leads humanity to heal ourselves. Dr. Jain is an Ivy League-trained clinical psychologist and an award-winning research scientist in psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) and integrative medicine. She is a sought-after speaker and teacher in mind-body-spirit healing. Dr. Jain is also adjunct faculty at UC San Diego. For more, visit shaminijain.com.

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The Point of Insight | Our Medicine Lives in the Wound


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David Whyte on Being at the Frontier of Your Identity

There is a particular kind of tiredness that comes from trying to hold a fixed idea of who we are, year after year, as everything around us keeps changing anyway. David Whyte built an entire body of work around that tension, and Sounds True founder Tami Simon has called her conversation with him one of the most beloved episodes in Insights at the Edge history, still resonating with new listeners more than a decade after it first aired. Something about the way Whyte speaks, unhurried and image-rich, seems to reach people in exactly the season of life where old answers have quietly stopped working.

Sounds True has carried David Whyte’s poetry, prose, and audio programs for years because few voices manage to speak so plainly to both the individual soul and the modern workplace at once. His willingness to bring genuine poetry into rooms built for spreadsheets and quarterly targets reflects the same spirit our founder set out to preserve back in 1985: teaching captured in its own unscripted, living voice. 

What follows traces the frontier Whyte describes between who we were and who we are becoming, how exile trains us for that edge, and why a Yorkshire poet ended up teaching creativity inside boardrooms at Boeing and American Express.

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  • Originality Has an Address: Learn why David Whyte locates creativity at the frontier of identity, not behind it.
  • Exile Is a Skill: Understand why Whyte treats feeling like an outsider as something to develop, not escape.
  • Poetry Enters the Boardroom: See how poetry and leadership intersect in Whyte’s decades of corporate work.

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Originality Lives at the Edge, Not the Center

Whyte traces originality back to what he calls an edge identity, a frontier conversation that shows up across many of the world’s wisdom traditions. Reality itself, in his framing, is conversational rather than fixed, which means the self is never a finished project so much as an ongoing exchange with everything it meets. 

Sounds True’s founder has described sitting with fourteen pages of notes on his teaching and underlining nearly every line, a reaction that says something about how differently Whyte approaches familiar questions of purpose and change, treating originality as a place a person stands rather than a trait they possess. 

You can hear the full exchange in David Whyte on Being at the Frontier of Your Identity, still one of the most requested episodes in the archive.

Exile as a Core Human Competency

Rather than treating exile, the felt sense of not quite belonging, as a wound to heal, Whyte reframes it as a competency worth developing on purpose. Most people spend enormous energy trying to eliminate the feeling of being an outsider, whereas Whyte suggests the more useful move is to learn to work with it deliberately. A few ideas anchor this reframing:

  • Exile Sharpens Perception: Standing slightly outside a group often reveals what belonging obscures.
  • Competency, Not Condition: Whyte treats exile as a trainable skill rather than permanent exclusion.
  • Frontier Over Center: Growth tends to happen at edges, not in comfortable middles.

This distinction matters because it removes the shame often attached to feeling like an outsider. Instead of a problem to solve, exile becomes a vantage point worth returning to on purpose.

The Frontier of Identity as a Living Threshold

The frontier of identity, Whyte’s central image, is not a line crossed once and left behind. It is a threshold a person returns to repeatedly, every time old certainties no longer fit a new season of life. Whyte suggests that vulnerability, often treated as weakness, actually functions here as enhanced perception, a heightened sensitivity that lets a person notice what a settled identity tends to miss.

He describes reality itself as conversational, meaning the self is shaped less by fixed traits and more by an ongoing exchange with circumstances, relationships, and unexpected turns. Standing at this frontier repeatedly, rather than resolving it once, is what Whyte considers the actual work of a lived, honest life.

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Poetry and Leadership: An Unlikely Partnership

Long before this conversation, Whyte had already built a second career inside corporate life, consulting for companies including Boeing, Kodak, and American Express. His bestselling book, The Heart Aroused, argued that corporations suffered from too little poetry and too little humanity, a critique that landed him on business bestseller lists rather than only poetry shelves. This pairing of poetry and leadership runs through nearly everything Whyte has written since, treating verse not as decoration for executives but as a discipline for genuine reflection.

Whyte has predicted that the very word manager will eventually give way to something more alive with possibility, a shift he sees poetry as uniquely equipped to prepare leaders for. Rather than offering leadership frameworks or checklists, his workshops use verse to slow a room down enough to notice what usual business language tends to skip over entirely.

  • Work as Pilgrimage: Whyte frames a career less as a task list and more as a journey of identity.
  • Burnout Reconsidered: He suggests exhaustion can signal a need for renewal, not simple failure.
  • Conversational Leadership: Genuine leadership, in his view, requires ongoing dialogue, not fixed authority.

Tapping the Invisible Support That Surrounds Us

Whyte closes much of his teaching on a note of quiet reassurance: that unseen support often surrounds a person exactly when they feel most exposed at the frontier of their own becoming. Recognizing this support, rather than assuming isolation, changes how a person approaches uncertainty, whether it shows up as a career change, a creative block, or a simple shift in how someone sees themselves.

Where Poetry Meets Everyday Attention

Whyte often describes a good poem as revelatory, something that takes hold of a reader and surprises them into new understanding rather than confirming what they already believed. This distinction matters for how he teaches: poetry, in his hands, is not a retreat from ordinary life but a way of paying closer attention to it. A single well-chosen image, he suggests, can reorganize how someone relates to a problem that logic alone has failed to move.

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Final Thoughts

David Whyte’s teaching never promises a finished self waiting somewhere ahead. It offers something steadier: the frontier itself as home ground, revisited again and again across a lifetime of work and relationship. What makes this conversation endure, more than a decade after it first aired, may be exactly that refusal to offer a tidy arrival point. 

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What companies has Whyte worked with as a consultant?

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What podcast features this conversation with Whyte?

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Is this conversation relevant outside creative fields?

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Where can I explore more spiritual teachers like David Whyte?

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Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer. She is the author of six books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge. Amy Burtaine is a leadership coach and racial equity trainer. With Robin DiAngelo, she is the coauthor of The Facilitator's Guide for White Affinity Groups. For more, visit https://www.michellecjohnson.com/wisdom-of-the-hive.