In the Flow

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June 7, 2011

Tami Simon speaks with Michael Brant DeMaria, a psychologist and multi-award winning composer. Michael has published and presented numerous papers on the roles of creativity, spirituality, and play in the healing process. He is the author of Ever Flowing On and a book of poetry titled Moments. In this episode, we listen to three songs from Michael’s new album with Sounds True, In the Flow: Music for Emotional Healing. Tami speaks with Michael about the restorative and healing properties of his music, why the Native American flute has a particular power to help us move through grief, and how we can learn to flow like water through difficult times. (64 minutes)

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Michael Brant DeMaria, PhD, is a psychologist and multiaward winning composer. A Grammy® nominee who has played on stage with world-renowned poets and musicians, he first recognized the healing potential of music when recovering from surgery as a child, and has since incorporated original sound-healing compositions into his clinical practice, presentations, and concerts.

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In the Flow

Tami Simon speaks with Michael Brant DeMaria, a psychologist and multi-award winning composer. Michael has published and presented numerous papers on the roles of creativity, spirituality, and play in the healing process. He is the author of Ever Flowing On and a book of poetry titled Moments. In this episode, we listen to three songs from Michael’s new album with Sounds True, In the Flow: Music for Emotional Healing. Tami speaks with Michael about the restorative and healing properties of his music, why the Native American flute has a particular power to help us move through grief, and how we can learn to flow like water through difficult times. (64 minutes)

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Love After Death: A Spiritual Vision of Eternal Love

What does love after death truly mean? For Cynthia Bourgeault, it is not sentimentality or denial of loss. It is a spiritual insight rooted in the Christian mystical tradition.

Mystics teach that love does not originate in personality or physical presence. Love arises from the divine ground itself. If love is rooted in God, then it is not subject to decay. Death may change the form of a relationship, but it does not erase the essence of what was shared.

This vision reframes grief. We still mourn the absence of voice, touch, and daily companionship. Yet beneath that sorrow, there can be a quiet recognition that the bond continues in another way. Eternal love is not about clinging to memory. It is about trusting that what was real in love participates in something timeless.

In Love Is Stronger Than Death, we share teachings that echo this truth: love belongs to a deeper order of reality than mortality. When two people meet in authentic love, they participate in a current of divine life that does not end at the grave.

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Cynthia Bourgeault approaches love after death through the lens of Christian mysticism. In this tradition, love is not limited to emotion or memory. It is participation in divine life. If love arises from God, then love transcends death because its source is eternal.

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Love after death invites us into mystery. Through Cynthia Bourgeault’s teaching, we see that eternal love is rooted in divine life, not limited by physical form.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Love Beyond Death and Love After Death

What does love after death mean in spiritual terms?

Love after death refers to the understanding that love is not limited to physical existence. Spiritually, it suggests that love continues as a form of connection rooted in divine reality rather than the body alone.

Is love after death a belief or a mystical experience?

For many contemplatives, it is both. Some approach it as a belief grounded in faith, while others describe it as a lived mystical experience of ongoing communion through prayer and inner awareness.

How is eternal love different from romantic attachment?

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Can grief coexist with trust in love after death?

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Radical forgiveness is a spiritual approach to letting go that shifts our perception of harm, blame, and victimhood. Rather than focusing solely on releasing anger toward someone who hurt us, radical forgiveness invites us to question the deeper meaning of the experience itself.

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Learning how to forgive is rarely about forcing ourselves to move on. In radical forgiveness, it becomes a spiritual shift in perception. Instead of staying fixed on blame, we begin to ask what the experience is revealing within us.

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Radical forgiveness invites us to release the identity of the victim. While blame can feel justified, it often keeps us tied to the past. Forgiveness begins with curiosity. What belief was triggered? What fear surfaced?

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Resentment can feel justified, yet it keeps us tethered to the story of what happened. Radical forgiveness invites us to ask: What is holding onto this anger costing us? Peace, connection, presence?

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Healing through forgiveness is about changing how the past lives within us. Radical forgiveness offers a spiritual framework for that shift, helping us release emotional charge without denying our experience.

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Pain can leave lasting emotional patterns. Radical forgiveness encourages us to feel what arises while also asking a deeper question: What might this experience be teaching me? This shift moves us from automatic reaction to conscious reflection.

Through this lens, healing through forgiveness becomes an inner process rather than a negotiation with others.

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As blame softens, we regain emotional space. The memory may remain, but its intensity begins to fade. Radical forgiveness restores our capacity to choose how we respond instead of reliving old pain. Whatever Arises, Love That deepens this work, offering a practice of meeting every experience — including pain and resentment — with unconditional openness rather than resistance. This is the transformative power of the practice. We are no longer defined by what happened, but strengthened by how we grow beyond it.

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Radical forgiveness becomes real through daily application. A consistent forgiveness practice supports radical letting go by helping us shift from reaction to reflection in the middle of ordinary life.

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You might begin with a few intentional steps:

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  • Ask what this experience is inviting you to see or learn. Stay open rather than forcing an answer.
  • Consciously choose willingness. You may not feel full forgiveness yet, but you can choose openness to it.
  • Close with reflection or meditation to anchor the shift in your body and breath.

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A daily forgiveness practice does not require perfection. Some days the shift will feel natural. Other days, it may feel resistant. What matters is the steady return. Radical letting go unfolds through repetition, patience, and a growing trust that inner freedom is possible.

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Radical self-forgiveness invites a different response. It asks us to take responsibility with compassion rather than self-condemnation. We acknowledge what happened, learn from it, and allow ourselves to grow beyond it. When we include ourselves in the process of forgiveness, healing deepens. We stop replaying old regret and begin living with greater wholeness and self-trust.

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There are times when forgiveness feels distant, even when we want it. Feeling stuck in resentment often means a deeper layer of hurt has not yet been acknowledged. Before we can release anger, we may need to fully admit how much something affected us.

How to forgive in these moments begins with gently questioning the story we are repeating. Is there another way to interpret what happened? What belief is keeping the resentment alive?

Getting unstuck is usually a gradual shift. With patience and a steady forgiveness practice, the emotional charge begins to soften, and space opens for a new response.

Forgiveness Meditation as a Practice for Letting Go of Resentment

Forgiveness meditation offers a steady way to practice letting go of resentment. Instead of replaying the story of what happened, we turn our attention to the emotions held in the body and meet them with awareness.

By sitting quietly, acknowledging the hurt, and extending compassion to ourselves and others, we begin to loosen the grip of anger. We are not forcing forgiveness. We are creating space for it.

Over time, this practice softens emotional reactivity and supports a deeper sense of inner peace.

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Radical forgiveness invites us to live with a wider lens. It asks us to release resentment, question the stories that keep us stuck, and include ourselves in the circle of compassion. Through a steady forgiveness practice, healing through forgiveness becomes less about changing the past and more about reclaiming our inner freedom.

Letting go is rarely a single moment. It is a willingness we return to again and again. In that return, we begin to experience the quiet strength of a heart no longer defined by what has happened, but guided by what is possible now.

Frequently Asked Questions About Radical Forgiveness

What makes radical forgiveness different from traditional forgiveness?

Radical forgiveness shifts the focus from resolving interpersonal conflict to transforming personal perception. Instead of centering on apology or reconciliation, it emphasizes inner awareness and spiritual growth as the primary outcome.

Is radical forgiveness connected to a specific spiritual belief system?

Radical forgiveness can be practiced within many spiritual traditions, but it is not limited to one path. It rests on the idea that life events can hold meaning beyond surface appearances, allowing individuals to interpret experiences through a lens of consciousness rather than punishment.

Does radical forgiveness mean reconciling with someone who caused harm?

Not necessarily. Radical forgiveness is an internal process. Reconciliation may or may not be appropriate. The practice centers on releasing inner hostility, not forcing renewed relationships or trust.

Can radical forgiveness help with long-standing family conflict?

Yes. Because it addresses the internal narrative rather than external behavior, radical forgiveness can shift deeply rooted patterns. Even if family dynamics remain unchanged, one’s emotional experience of them can transform.

How long does it take to practice radical forgiveness effectively?

There is no fixed timeline. Some situations may soften quickly, while others require ongoing reflection. Radical forgiveness is less about speed and more about sustained willingness.

Is radical forgiveness psychologically safe for trauma survivors?

For individuals with significant trauma, it is important to proceed gently and, when needed, with professional support. Radical forgiveness is not about bypassing pain but integrating it consciously. Timing and readiness matter.

Can radical forgiveness improve physical health?

Chronic resentment has been linked to stress-related physical symptoms. While radical forgiveness is not a medical treatment, releasing emotional tension may support overall well-being by reducing stress responses.

What role does accountability play in radical forgiveness?

Accountability remains important. Radical forgiveness does not remove responsibility for harmful actions. Instead, it separates accountability from ongoing emotional entanglement.

How does radical forgiveness relate to personal boundaries?

Forgiveness and boundaries can coexist. Releasing resentment does not mean allowing repeated harm. Healthy boundaries often become clearer when resentment is no longer clouding perception.

Can radical forgiveness be practiced without meditation?

Yes. While meditation can support the process, radical forgiveness can also be practiced through journaling, dialogue, reflection, or guided inquiry. The essential element is a willingness to reinterpret the experience.

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