Thomas Hübl

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change by integrating modern science with the insights of humanity’s wisdom traditions. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events on the healing of collective trauma, with a special focus on the shared history of Israelis and Germans, and facilitated healing and dialogue around racism, oppression, colonialism, and genocide, among other topics. He is the author of Healing Collective Trauma and Attuned (both with Julie Jordan Avritt). He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, and he is currently a visiting scholar at Harvard University’s Wyss Institute.

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Give a listen to this deeply inspiring, deep-end conversation exploring: Presence and the alchemy of the past in the now; the concept of relational coherence; post-traumatic learning; avoiding presence as a way to protect oneself; attunement versus numbness; our interconnected nervous systems; ethical development; privilege and responsibility; increasing our ability to remain grounded; the power of feeling met; global witnessing groups; bringing love to the edge of a conscious universe; the three-sync process for becoming more aware of your body, emotions, and mind; and more.

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We are facing what is perhaps the greatest civilizational crisis of our time, the global ecological emergency. If the underlying challenge to climate change (and other systemic social problems) can be traced to human disrelation—a state of being out of accordance with nature, ourselves, and other humans—then I propose it to be a fundamentally spiritual problem, as much as an environmental, scientific, technological, cultural, psychological, economic, or historical one. At the root of this spiritual problem is collective trauma.

My work as a teacher over the past 20 years has focused on the integration of science and mysticism. Over time, as my training programs and retreats developed what emerged was a clear need to address collective trauma. 

Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World is a guide for anyone committed to the healing of our struggling world. With practical instruction on reducing stress and building  resilience, along with practices such as transparent communication, my book is intended to support each of us and our communities in embracing our interdependence. As you learn to attune to others, you begin to refine  your capacity to relate  — and to walk the profound journey of healing individual, ancestral, and collective trauma.

The complexity of challenges we face in the 21st century demands a new level of human collaboration. To respond with creativity and innovation to these challenges, we must think holistically. In this way, we awaken our most intrinsic biological gifts: the powers of our soul’s intelligence – that which inside us knows how to heal and restore.

Perhaps, rather than finding ourselves alive in a time of exponential, unstoppable decline, we will discover the power to access the evolutionary gifts that appear dormant in us. To accomplish this, I believe we must do it together—not separately, but in relation, as communities dedicated to healing our collectives.

It may take only a small number of us to establish a new level of collective coherence—to share our light, heal our wounds, and realize the unawakened potential of our world. Will you join me on this journey of attunement?

With gratitude,

Thomas Hübl


Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change by integrating modern science with the insights of humanity’s wisdom traditions. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events on the healing of collective trauma, with a special focus on the shared history of Israelis and Germans, and facilitated healing and dialogue around racism, oppression, colonialism, and genocide, among other topics. He is the author of Healing Collective Trauma and Attuned (both with Julie Jordan Avritt). He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, and he is currently a visiting scholar at Harvard University’s Wyss Institute. For more, visit www.attunedbook.com.

Thomas Hübl: Healing Collective Trauma

Thomas Hübl is an Austrian-born contemporary spiritual teacher and the founder of the Academy of Inner Science. With Sounds True, he has recorded the audio training The Power of We: Awakening in the Relational Field and written a book titled Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Tami Simon speaks with Thomas about healing collective trauma as the work of our time. They discuss how we can feel and are affected by major traumas of the past, even if we didn’t directly experience them, and the ways in which this contributes to our collective separation. Thomas also explains the concept of “retrocausality,” or the potential for the healing we undertake in our lifetimes to benefit our entire family lines. At a time when so much ancestral trauma, multigenerational trauma, and cultural trauma is in our midst, Thomas invites us to turn toward it and join together to heal and integrate the pain of the past as we create a different future.

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Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary

Bayo Akomolafe invites us to consider what can happen when urgency gives way to slowing down and healing. His conversation with Tami Simon reflects on sanctuary, grief, ancestry, and finding different ways to meet times of change.

At Sounds True, spiritual wisdom and transformational teachings have been shared since 1985, connecting seekers with respected teachers through books, audio, courses, events, and podcasts.

In this piece, Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary and its reflections on sanctuary, slowing down and healing, grief, and ancestry will be discussed.

Key Takeaways:

  • Sanctuary: Learn how Akomolafe frames sanctuary as a space for reconsidering our relationships with change, grief, and uncertainty.
  • Ancestry: Consider how ancestral relationships and Yoruba-influenced practices contribute to Akomolafe’s reflections on connection and belonging.
  • Spiritual Inquiry: Understand how contemplation, activism, historical trauma, and social change intersect throughout the conversation.

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Making Sanctuary in Times of Change

Born in Nigeria and shaped by Yoruba teachings as well as Western academia, Bayo Akomolafe brings an unconventional perspective to questions of crisis and social change.

In our conversation, Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary, he speaks with Tami Simon about sanctuary as a place where slowing down and healing can happen. Their discussion moves through ancestry, grief, trauma, spiritual contemplation, and the crossroads at which familiar ways of responding may no longer be sufficient.

What Let Us Make Sanctuary Means

Sanctuary, as it emerges in this conversation, is closely connected to the practice of slowing down. Akomolafe challenges the idea that a pause simply helps us recover enough energy to keep moving in the same direction.

Instead, slowing down can create space for deeper inquiry. It gives us an opportunity to question where we are going, what has shaped that direction, and what other possibilities might become visible when forward movement is no longer our only priority.

Slowing Down and Healing in Difficult Times

Urgent circumstances often create pressure to respond immediately. Akomolafe offers another possibility: slowing down and healing can become part of how we meet a crisis rather than something postponed until the crisis has passed.

This kind of slowing asks for attention. It makes room for questions that can be difficult to hear amid constant movement and gives us time to reconsider the paths we have inherited.

Let Us Make Sanctuary Through Slowing Down and Healing

Akomolafe also draws attention to our relationships with those who came before us. The conversation considers the African spiritual practice of pouring drink to the earth as an expression of indebtedness to ancestors and to everything that makes life possible.

From this perspective, sanctuary is relational. Slowing down and healing can involve remembering the connections that hold us and recognizing that our lives do not exist independently of the people, histories, and living world around us.

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Finding New Possibilities Through Slowing Down and Healing

The image of standing at a crossroads runs through Akomolafe’s reflections. He suggests that the ground beneath familiar assumptions is shifting, creating conditions in which what once went unsaid may become possible to speak and understand.

Slowing down gives us time to remain with that uncertainty. Rather than rushing toward a familiar answer, we can pay attention to what a changing landscape might reveal.

Bayo Akomolafe on How We Make Sanctuary

Grief also has a meaningful place in Akomolafe’s understanding of sanctuary. His conversation with Simon considers grief in relation to activism, along with the possibility of approaching sites of historical trauma as places for spiritual contemplation and renewed connection with loss and tragedy.

To make sanctuary, then, can mean creating room to stay present with experiences we might otherwise hurry past. Akomolafe’s invitation asks us to consider what becomes possible when we slow down enough to listen, grieve, question our direction, and encounter the world from another place.

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Final Thoughts

Bayo Akomolafe’s invitation to make sanctuary encourages us to reconsider our relationship with urgency, grief, and change. Through slowing down and healing, we can create space to listen more deeply, honor our connections, and remain open to possibilities that may emerge when we pause.

Frequently Asked Questions About Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary

Who is Bayo Akomolafe?

Bayo Akomolafe is a thinker, writer, speaker, and trained clinical psychologist whose work engages questions of social change, spirituality, community, and the ways people respond to challenging circumstances.

Who speaks with Bayo Akomolafe in Let Us Make Sanctuary?

Bayo Akomolafe speaks with Sounds True founder Tami Simon. Their conversation brings his ideas into a reflective exchange centered on sanctuary, change, grief, and spiritual inquiry.

What traditions influence Bayo Akomolafe’s perspective?

Akomolafe’s perspective is informed in part by Yoruba teachings and his Nigerian background, alongside his experience with Western academic thought. These influences contribute to his distinctive approach to spirituality and social questions.

What role does ancestry play in Bayo Akomolafe’s teachings?

Ancestry provides a way to consider our relationship with those who came before us. Akomolafe speaks about practices that acknowledge indebtedness to ancestors and the many relationships that make our lives possible.

How does Bayo Akomolafe connect spirituality and activism?

Akomolafe considers how spiritual contemplation can inform our relationship with activism. Rather than treating inner reflection and collective concerns as entirely separate, his perspective creates room for them to meet.

Why does Bayo Akomolafe discuss historical trauma?

Historical trauma offers an opportunity to consider how places marked by suffering might be approached differently. Akomolafe reflects on visiting such sites as spaces for contemplation and engagement with histories of loss.

What is the significance of the crossroads in Akomolafe’s thinking?

The crossroads represents a place where established directions may become uncertain and different possibilities can emerge. It provides a useful image for considering periods of cultural and personal transition.

How does Let Us Make Sanctuary approach interconnectedness?

The conversation recognizes that individual lives are shaped by relationships, histories, ancestors, communities, and the living world. This perspective invites a broader understanding of how people belong to one another and their surroundings.

Is Let Us Make Sanctuary intended only for experienced spiritual practitioners?

No. The conversation can speak to both longtime spiritual seekers and people who are newly curious about contemplative ideas. Sounds True shares teachings in an accessible, heart-led way for people at different points in their learning journeys.

Where can I listen to Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary?

You can listen to the full Bayo Akomolafe: Let Us Make Sanctuary podcast conversation through Sounds True.

Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer. She is the author of six books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge. Amy Burtaine is a leadership coach and racial equity trainer. With Robin DiAngelo, she is the coauthor of The Facilitator's Guide for White Affinity Groups. For more, visit https://www.michellecjohnson.com/wisdom-of-the-hive.