Anne Lamott & Neil Allen: Write Toward the Really Real

March 17, 2026

Anne Lamott & Neil Allen: Write Toward the Really Real

Anne Lamott & Neal Allen March 17, 2026

What if the secret to better writing isn’t more technique—but more truth?

This week, Tami Simon speaks with Anne Lamott—beloved author of Bird by Bird, Traveling Mercies, and more than twenty books—and her husband Neal Allen, writer and spiritual coach, about their new collaborative book, Good Writing: 36 Ways to Improve Your Sentences. Together, they unpack the craft of writing as both a technical discipline and a deeply human practice.

Join Tami, Anne, and Neal to explore:

  • The three-draft process: from the “child’s draft” to the “dental draft”—and where the real work of writing begins
  • How to find your natural writing voice and stop trying to sing someone else’s song
  • Writing as melody, rhythm, and harmony—and what the Beatles can teach us about our own creative strengths
  • Why the rules of good writing are really about respect: for the reader, for truth, and for your own story
  • The power of writing “toward the really real”—and why plain-spoken, heart-centered writing connects more deeply than literary pyrotechnics
  • Rule 33: writing the hard stuff—life, death, mystery, and the things that are difficult to say but essential to try
  • Why writing is collaborative, not solitary—and how talented editors and trusted readers can save your work (and your skin)

Whether you’re a lifelong writer or someone who has always wanted to tell your story, Anne and Neal offer practical tools and generous encouragement to help you get your words on the page—and make them matter.

Listen now and start writing toward the really (really) real.

This conversation offers genuine transmission—not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together. Originally aired on Sounds True One.

Anne Lamott is the author of seven novels including, Hard Laughter, Rosie, Joe Jones, Blue Shoe, All New People, and Crooked Little Heart (the sequel to Rosie), as well as five bestselling books of non-fiction, Operating Instructions, an account of life as a single mother during her son's first year and Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life, a guide to writing and the challenges of a writer's life, Traveling Mercies, a collection of autobiographical essays on faith, and Plan B: Further Thoughts on Faith. Anne Lamott has been honored with a Guggenheim Fellowship, and has taught at UC Davis, as well as at writing conferences across the country. Anne's biweekly Salon Magazine "online diary," Word by Word, was voted The Best of the Web by TIME magazine. Filmmaker Freida Mock (who won an Academy Award for her documentary on Maya Lin) has made a documentary on Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird with Annie (1999). Anne's last collection of essays is Grace (Eventually): Thoughts on Faith. Her most recent novel, entitled Imperfect Birds, was published in Spring 2010. In the Fall of 2010 Anne Lamott was inducted into the California Hall of Fame. Her latest book, Some Assembly Required: A Journal of My Son's First Son, is non-fiction and was released in Spring 2012. In her next book, Help, Thanks, Wow: The Three Essential Prayers (November 2012), Anne gives us three prayers to assist us in trying times. She is also working on an essay collection entitled As in Life: New and Selected Pieces, about moving through grief and loss.

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Neal Allen is a writer, spiritual coach and speaker whose chief interest is removing obstacles of the ego. He is the author of Shapes of Truth: Discover God Inside You (Self Published, 2021), and Better Days: Tame Your Inner Critic (Namaste Publishing, 2023). A former journalist and corporate executive, he earned master’s degrees in Political Science and Eastern Classics. He lives with his wife the writer, Anne Lamott, in Northern California.

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What if the secret to better writing isn’t more technique—but more truth?

This week, Tami Simon speaks with Anne Lamott—beloved author of Bird by Bird, Traveling Mercies, and more than twenty books—and her husband Neal Allen, writer and spiritual coach, about their new collaborative book, Good Writing: 36 Ways to Improve Your Sentences. Together, they unpack the craft of writing as both a technical discipline and a deeply human practice.

Join Tami, Anne, and Neal to explore:

  • The three-draft process: from the “child’s draft” to the “dental draft”—and where the real work of writing begins
  • How to find your natural writing voice and stop trying to sing someone else’s song
  • Writing as melody, rhythm, and harmony—and what the Beatles can teach us about our own creative strengths
  • Why the rules of good writing are really about respect: for the reader, for truth, and for your own story
  • The power of writing “toward the really real”—and why plain-spoken, heart-centered writing connects more deeply than literary pyrotechnics
  • Rule 33: writing the hard stuff—life, death, mystery, and the things that are difficult to say but essential to try
  • Why writing is collaborative, not solitary—and how talented editors and trusted readers can save your work (and your skin)

Whether you’re a lifelong writer or someone who has always wanted to tell your story, Anne and Neal offer practical tools and generous encouragement to help you get your words on the page—and make them matter.

Listen now and start writing toward the really (really) real.

This conversation offers genuine transmission—not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together. Originally aired on Sounds True One.

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Anne Lamott is the celebrated author of many books of fiction, essays, and memoirs. Her works include Bird by BirdHallelujah Anyway, and Crooked Little Heart. In this special edition of Insights at the Edge originally recorded for The Self-Acceptance Summit, Tami Simon speaks with Anne about acts of “radical self-care” and how they are essential for anyone’s well-being. Anne talks about self-acceptance as an inherently feminist concept, especially around issues of body image and self-esteem. Finally, Anne and Tami discuss how it is necessary to fully accept oneself before being able to show up for others, and why modern society often argues the opposite.

Note: This episode originally aired on Sounds True One, where these special episodes of Insights at the Edge are available to watch live on video and with exclusive access to Q&As with our guests. Learn more at join.soundstrue.com.

This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Listeners of Insights At The Edge get 10% off their first month at www.betterhelp.com/soundstrue.

Anne Lamott and Neal Allen: Taming Your Inner Critic

Many people have written and taught about the inner critic. But few have illuminated the subject with an approach as refreshing, innovative, and accessible as the one Neal Allen presents in his new book, Better Days—which includes a foreword by his wife, the celebrated writer Anne Lamott. 

In this podcast, Tami Simon sits down with the uniquely talented, often quirky, and always insightful couple to hear how they’ve come to understand and reframe the sneaky inner voice that manifests as an unnecessary source of torment for millions of people. Give a listen as they discuss: vulnerability as a path to relationship—and to the divine; radical silliness; the protective role of the superego (and why it’s so reluctant to give up control); the empty chair technique in gestalt therapy; giving your inner critic a new assignment in life; reclaiming the value of curiosity; destroying your false identities; anxiety and its source; tips for identifying the sometimes subtle voice of the inner critic; the futility of arguing with your inner critic; exploring the truth of who you really are; the “saying yes” practice; acceptance and surrender; and more.

Note: This episode originally aired on Sounds True One, where these special episodes of Insights at the Edge are available to watch live on video and with exclusive access to Q&As with our guests. Learn more at join.soundstrue.com.

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