Clarissa Pinkola Estés: Untie the Strong Woman

August 8, 2018

Clarissa Pinkola Estés: Untie the Strong Woman

Clarissa Pinkola Estés August 8, 2018

Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés is an award-winning poet, senior Jungian psychoanalyst, and cantadora (keeper of old stories in the Latina tradition). Dr. Estés is the author of the bestseller Women Who Run With the Wolves, along with over a dozen audio programs from Sounds True. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Tami Simon talks with Dr. Estés about the themes and stories in her book Untie the Strong Woman: Blessed Mother’s Immaculate Love for the Wild Soul. They speak on the different manifestations of the Holy Mother figure in many cultures, how our relationship with our own biological mother affects how we relate to the archetype of the great mother force, and what it means to live with “an unruined heart.” (65 minutes)

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What Is Shamanic Healing?

Shamanic healing is a spiritual practice rooted in the understanding that everything is interconnected: people, nature, spirit, and energy. Rather than focusing solely on symptoms, shamanic healing examines deeper spiritual imbalances that may contribute to emotional, physical, or energetic disharmony.

Traditionally, shamans act as intermediaries between the physical and spiritual realms. They journey into unseen worlds to receive guidance, retrieve lost parts of the soul, or bring healing energies back for individuals or communities. Sandra Ingerman teaches that anyone can learn to engage with these practices respectfully and ethically, especially when guided by clear intention and heart-centered presence.

At its core, shamanic healing invites us to remember that we are not separate from the Earth or from spirit. Healing comes through reconnection, not control.

The Role Of Spiritual Light In Healing

Sandra Ingerman speaks often about the healing power of spiritual light, not as a concept, but as a living energy that flows through each of us. Her approach reframes how we relate to pain, illness, and even the world itself. Rather than searching for what’s broken, she teaches us to return to what is already whole within us:

Remembering The Light Within

Sandra reminds us that spiritual light isn’t something we have to search for, it’s something we are. This inner radiance can be dimmed by life experiences, but it is never lost. By turning inward with intention and trust, we begin to reconnect with this light and allow it to guide our healing journey.

Radiating Light Instead Of “Fixing” Ourselves

Much of modern healing is focused on identifying and fixing problems. Sandra encourages a different path: to radiate light from within rather than constantly seeking to correct or cleanse something. This doesn’t deny our pain. It transforms how we hold it.

Healing Through Presence, Not Force

Spiritual light heals by holding space, not by pushing or fixing. It moves in harmony with love, stillness, and presence. Sandra often speaks of how this gentle light knows where to go, what to touch, and when to soften all without needing to control the process.

Shamanic Transformation In A Modern World

Modern life often pulls us away from deeper connection: to ourselves, to nature, and to spirit. Sandra Ingerman offers a perspective that shamanic transformation isn’t about escaping this world, but about meeting it more fully with presence and spiritual responsibility.

Bringing Ancient Wisdom Into Everyday Life

Sandra emphasizes that shamanism is not locked in the past. Its principles, connection, compassion, and intention are deeply relevant today. Whether you live in a city or closer to nature, these teachings can be woven into daily life through simple practices that restore balance and presence.

Inner Change As A Catalyst For Collective Healing

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Radiating Healing Into The World

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Frequently Asked Questions About Sandra Ingerman

What sets Sandra Ingerman’s work apart from other modern shamanic teachers?

Sandra brings a unique blend of psychological training and deep spiritual practice, allowing her to teach shamanism in a way that’s accessible, trauma-aware, and rooted in ethical responsibility.

Is Sandra Ingerman affiliated with a specific indigenous tradition?

No, Sandra was trained by Western teachers of core shamanism and does not claim lineage from any one indigenous culture. She emphasizes honoring cultural roots while offering cross-cultural practices respectfully.

Can someone practice spiritual light healing without formal shamanic training?

Yes. Sandra encourages people to connect with spiritual light through simple practices such as visualization, meditation, and holding intention, even without formal journeying.

How does Sandra Ingerman define spiritual illness?

She views spiritual illness as disconnection from spirit, nature, or one’s own inner light. Reconnection, rather than intervention, becomes the central healing path.

Is Sandra Ingerman’s work religious?

No, her teachings are spiritual but not tied to any religion. Her work invites direct experience with spiritual energies, without dogma or doctrine.

Does Sandra Ingerman offer live teachings or only digital courses?

While she has led many live workshops globally, Sandra now primarily offers her teachings through online programs, especially via Sounds True.

What is the role of nature in Sandra Ingerman’s shamanic practice?

Nature is central. Sandra teaches that forming a deep, reciprocal relationship with the Earth and its elements strengthens our connection to spiritual allies and guides.

Can shamanic healing support emotional wellness?

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Are Sandra Ingerman’s teachings suitable for skeptics or beginners?

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Does Sandra Ingerman work with plant medicines or psychedelics?

No, Sandra’s work focuses on non-psychoactive practices like journeying, meditation, and transfiguration. She does not incorporate plant medicine into her teachings.

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Rooted in the ancient teachings of the Bön and Nyingma traditions, dream yoga is part of a larger system of “night practices” that also includes sleep yoga. Where many forms of meditation are anchored in stillness during the day, dream yoga extends that mindfulness into the night. In essence, your sleep hours are just as valuable for practice as your waking hours.

At its heart, dream yoga is about recognizing that all experiences, even waking ones, are like dreams: fleeting, insubstantial, and dependent on the mind. By working directly with the dream state, practitioners develop deep insight into the nature of reality and the habits of the self.

How Tibetan Dream Practice Guides Awareness At Night

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Building Awareness During The Day

Lucid dreaming doesn’t start at night; it begins with mindfulness in waking life. Tibetan teachings emphasize that the more aware we are during the day, the more likely we are to recognize when we’re dreaming. Practicing presence moment to moment becomes a form of preparation for nighttime awareness.

Intention-Setting Before Sleep

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Using Visualization And Subtle Body Practices

Some lineages incorporate visualizations of light or deities before sleep, along with subtle breathwork. These methods calm the nervous system and align the subtle body, making it easier to carry awareness into the dream. They also prime the practitioner to stay present as the physical body rests.

Lucidity As A Tool For Insight

In dream yoga, becoming lucid is just the beginning. Once you’re aware within a dream, the practice shifts to observing how thoughts, fears, and attachments arise. The dream becomes a mirror, revealing inner patterns that often remain hidden during the day.

Lucid Dreaming In Buddhism: Beyond Entertainment

Lucid dreaming is often portrayed as a playground for the mind: flying, shape-shifting, rewriting the story. In Tibetan Buddhism, however, lucidity is treated with more depth. It’s a method for cultivating wisdom and compassion, not just personal adventure.

Waking Up Within The Dream

In Buddhist dream yoga, lucidity is defined not simply by knowing you’re dreaming, but by using that awareness to wake up more fully, to recognize the impermanence and dreamlike quality of all experience. This shift reveals that what feels solid is actually fluid, shaped by perception.

Observing The Mind Without Distraction

When lucid, you’re placed in a unique position: the senses are quiet, the body is asleep, and the mind is fully active. It’s a rare window to observe mental habits, fear, craving, and grasping without external distraction. Practicing mindfulness here helps loosen the grip of those habits in waking life.

Practicing Compassion Within The Dream

Some advanced practitioners use lucid dreams as a space to cultivate compassion. By intentionally helping dream characters or practicing loving-kindness, they reinforce these qualities in daily life. The dream becomes a rehearsal for how we want to show up in the world.

Dreams As A Path To Enlightenment

In Tibetan Buddhism, dreams aren’t just mental byproducts of sleep; they’re considered a legitimate path to awakening. When approached with awareness, the dream state becomes a direct mirror for emptiness, interdependence, and the illusory nature of the self.

Seeing The Dreamlike Nature Of Reality

One of the core teachings in Buddhism is that all phenomena are empty of fixed identity. Dreams give us a firsthand experience of this truth. When we realize we’re dreaming, we also realize how easily the mind constructs entire worlds, just like it does during the day.

Dissolving The Sense Of A Solid Self

In lucid dreams, the usual boundaries of identity soften. You might shift forms, speak with aspects of yourself, or interact with people who represent parts of your inner life. These encounters help break down the fixed idea of “me,” pointing instead to a more fluid, interconnected experience of being.

Practicing Non-Attachment In The Dream State

Because dreams are so vivid yet intangible, they offer a natural training ground for non-attachment. You can enjoy the beauty of the dream without clinging to it. You can face fear without being trapped by it. This balance, of presence without grasping, is at the heart of the Buddhist path.

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Night Yoga: Transforming Sleep Into Spiritual Practice

Night yoga invites us to turn something we do every day, sleep, into a space for deep inner work. In Tibetan traditions, the boundary between day and night dissolves. Sleep becomes not a pause in practice, but a continuation of it.

What Is Night Yoga?

Night yoga refers to integrating practices like dream yoga and sleep yoga into the hours of rest. Instead of drifting into unconsciousness, the practitioner maintains a thread of awareness. This may happen during dreaming, or in deeper states of sleep where even the dream dissolves.

The Continuity Of Consciousness

In daily life, we tend to think of sleep as the “off” switch for awareness. But night yoga challenges that view. With training, practitioners begin to experience a continuity of consciousness, one that gently carries through all states: waking, dreaming, and deep sleep.

Bringing Gentleness Into The Dark

Night yoga isn’t about force or control. It’s a subtle, heart-centered practice rooted in curiosity and compassion. Even the effort to become more aware at night begins with kindness toward yourself, your patterns, and whatever the night reveals.

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Final Thoughts

Dream yoga isn’t reserved for advanced meditators or monastics. It’s a living tradition available to anyone willing to meet their inner world with curiosity and care. By turning inward at night, we begin to see how the mind creates not only our dreams but also our waking reality.

Tibetan dream practice reminds us: awareness doesn’t need to sleep when we do. With patience, intention, and a gentle approach, the dream state can become a space of insight, healing, and spiritual growth. Whether you’re just beginning or already exploring lucid dreaming, each night offers an opportunity to wake up a little more, both in your dreams and in your life.

Frequently Asked Questions About Dream Yoga

What’s the difference between dream yoga and lucid dreaming?

While lucid dreaming focuses on becoming aware within a dream, dream yoga goes further by using that awareness for spiritual development, insight, and inner transformation.

Can anyone practice dream yoga, or is it only for advanced meditators?

Anyone can begin dream yoga. While having some meditation experience helps, the practice starts with simple awareness and intention that anyone can build over time.

Does dream yoga require belief in Buddhism?

Not at all. Dream yoga originates in Tibetan Buddhism, but its core practices, such as mindfulness in dream,s can benefit people of any belief system.

How long does it take to experience lucidity in dream yoga?

It varies. Some may gain lucidity within days, while for others it may take weeks or longer. Regular practice, consistency, and patience are key.

Can dream yoga help with nightmares or recurring dreams?

Yes. By becoming aware during the dream, practitioners can respond more skillfully to difficult dream content and begin to shift recurring patterns.

Is dream yoga practiced during deep sleep or just in dreams?

Dream yoga focuses on the REM dream state, while a related practice, sleep yoga, engages with deep sleep awareness. Both are part of the Tibetan night teachings.

Do I need special rituals or objects to begin dream yoga?

No special tools are required. While some traditions include visualizations or symbols, the practice begins simply with your own awareness and intention.

Can dream yoga improve sleep quality?

It can, especially as it brings more calm and clarity to the mind before sleep. However, it’s not a replacement for addressing underlying sleep issues if they exist.

Is dream yoga the same as astral projection or out-of-body experiences?

They are different. Dream yoga focuses on conscious dreaming and inner awareness, not leaving the body or entering separate realms.

Can children or teens practice dream yoga?

Yes, in age-appropriate ways. Teaching young people how to gently observe and reflect on their dreams can support emotional and spiritual growth.

Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer. She is the author of six books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge. Amy Burtaine is a leadership coach and racial equity trainer. With Robin DiAngelo, she is the coauthor of The Facilitator's Guide for White Affinity Groups. For more, visit https://www.michellecjohnson.com/wisdom-of-the-hive.

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